@FTG I believe what Ahmed is trying to say is that there is a huge difference between V1 and V2 attack and as I mentioned that the form was incomplete, the attacks weren't powerful enough. I think this is what he means...
And this is what happened after the scan you posted
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They tanked it ( Manga fact )
And i already said V2 Juubi's TBB =/= V1 Juubi's TBB or laser or whatever
@FTG I believe what Ahmed is trying to say is that there is a huge difference between V1 and V2 attack and as I mentioned that the form was incomplete, the attacks weren't powerful enough. I think this is what he means...
You also have to take into consideration the fact that Naruto has being fighting a lot longer than Sasuke and wasn't at full power while Sasuke was in a better condition than him. Naruto was in intense training (with no rest mind you) before even going into the war where he used up a lot of chakra and was even injuriedIn no way shape or form. BSM Avatar destroyed, Susanoo destroyed. Naruto had it easier with the fall as his body is enhanced with SM thus he didnt lose it and lifted up some 30 sec before sasuke.
Sasuke standing up shortly after SM naruto actually indicates that susanoo held off better as we all know that SM naruto can take high altitude fall like nothing in SM, base sasuke cant.
Even if BSM was to be slightly durable then SM v3 i wouldnt care as PS trumps that easily.
Danzo also penetrated the v2 susanoo with his summon and vacuum wind bullets, Nardo's pseudo jinchuuriki tanked juubi sized flames, Maddy's Yasaka Magatama attack, which required the combined force of Oonoki and Gaara to block, and to top it off it tanked a Juubi powered explosion, which even shocked Madara. the practicality of the bijuu cloaks far exceeds those of Susanoo.The ribs were broken by Ay who is one of the strongest Shinobi when it come to physical power.
V2 was broken by Ay and Onoki together who are two Kage level Shinobi ( Onoki controlling the weight of Ay for attack and speed )
P.S is a selfish jutsu . It only defends the user while BM can be spread among all allies and it can protect every 1 not just the user.So not so long ago we have found out the extend of BSM durability and i would like to clear out how it compares to that of PS
^^^ BSM durability is equivalent to that of senjutsu v3 susanoo. Both were destroyed yet provided enough defense for users to survive.You must be registered for see images
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Now i personally view 11 or more full kurama TBBs going off near simultaneously and hundred fist punches (each is comparable to biju tail in size) to be a greater damage out put then what BSM or senjutsu v3 susanoo went through.
So thoughts?
(Nobody cares)P.S is a selfish jutsu . It only defends the user while BM can be spread among all allies and it can protect every 1 not just the user.
a small chakra cloak tanked an attack of this magnitude
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whereas madara's susanoo couldnt withstand a small scale attack like this
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so no, when comparing bijuu mode and susanoo of the same size bijuu mode cloak appears more tough
So not so long ago we have found out the extend of BSM durability and i would like to clear out how it compares to that of PS
^^^ BSM durability is equivalent to that of senjutsu v3 susanoo. Both were destroyed yet provided enough defense for users to survive.You must be registered for see images
^^^ Here is another braking point of senjutsu v3 susanoo and of BSM by comparison.You must be registered for see images
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Now i personally view 11 or more full kurama TBBs going off near simultaneously and hundred fist punches (each is comparable to biju tail in size) to be a greater damage out put then what BSM or senjutsu v3 susanoo went through.
So thoughts?
Juubi laser argument again? What makes you think V3 wouldnt tank it? Oh right nothing at all.That was V3 susanoo + 9 tails cloak + senjutsu. In other words, it was a seriously buffed up susanoo. Perfect susanoo's durability on average is tougher, however, this is what BM alone is capable of when Naruto can use his tails as a shield.
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So, PS might be tougher on average, but BSM clearly surpasses it in defense when Naruto shields himself with his tails.
Juubi laser argument again? What makes you think V3 wouldnt tank it? Oh right nothing at all.
It was V1 juubi, whose power obito had limited.
Not to mention that its was raw chakra stream and not actual lazer such as bee used and BM naruto.
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V3 tanked tenpenchi and the area of devastation of that surpasses TBB bm and hachibi used on gedo mazou and anything else aside juubi's own TBBs.
Well, it was more like actual laser, as it was more focused, therefore harder to tank. Overall, I think that Kurama and PS are pretty much equal in power.Not to mention that its was raw chakra stream and not actual lazer such as bee used and BM naruto.
That matter because all that chakra didnt explode upon hitting naruto. It did with the mountains thou.And that matters how? Let me show you the destructive feat of that laser in case you missed it.
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It mowed a trench through a mountain range easily 7 mountains long. That's easily more impressive than an attack that makes a valley(buddah statue). Naruto managed to tank the laser with his tails in normal BM. Therefore BSM's tail durability is far beyond an attack capable of destroying 7 mountains in a row.
WTF are you circling there? V3 is unscratched.V3 did not make it out of tenpenchi without damage.
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Also, you're not helping your case by using that example. Madara needed a miniature monster to defend himself from that attack. Naruto's 9 tails chakra is little more than a skin yet kept him more intact than Madara's susanoo. If we use the tenpenchi example, BSM would almost certainly be tougher.
No. that chakra is supposed to explode as TBB does to cause extra damage, otherwise its just kinetic damage, which naruto deflected more then actually tanked.Well, it was more like actual laser, as it was more focused, therefore harder to tank. Overall, I think that Kurama and PS are pretty much equal in power.
That matter because all that chakra didnt explode upon hitting naruto. It did with the mountains thou.
And the difference is that as TBB going off or just causing kinetic damage U_U
WTF are you circling there? V3 is unscratched.
Also, you're not helping your case by using that example. Madara needed a miniature monster to defend himself from that attack. Naruto's 9 tails chakra is little more than a skin yet kept him more intact than Madara's susanoo. If we use the tenpenchi example, BSM would almost certainly be tougher.
Its just raw juubi chakra as it has chakra drawing. If its not meant to explode then its still weaker as its just kinetic energy.I don't think it's the nature for it to explode. It looked more like an energy beam than an explosive. Also, ask yourself this, why wouldn't Naruto's tails register as an object to the laser while the mountains do? The tails definitely blocked it. Don't underestimate a bijus tails. It was said in the prolog of Naruto that a single swipe from the 9 tails' tail could destroy mountains and create tsunamis.
Look again yourself, arm is still connected to the elbow.Look again. That arm that I circled was ripped straight off the susanoo. Also, take this into consideration.
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Despite being much thinner than susanoo, the one tail cloaks protected the ninjas from physical harm.