so naruto really was = to sasuke
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It still limits how Naruto fight since he can't kill Sasuke. It not about how much chakra he has, but how much chakra he's puts in his jutsu. Naruto might have gather that amount of chakra, but he didn't put all of that chakra in his jutsu. He only used enough chakra to counter Sasuke's jutsu. Naruto was doing that the entire battle because of the type of battle he was engaged in.
In the end won. That why Kishi even had Sasuke say "he lost".
I continue to read post claiming Naruto has nothing else to learn which is complete BS. The series has proven Naruto can still improve and does.
Naruto's improvements/new feats from the movie and novel:
- Base mode Naruto can create a FRS with one hand, throw it, and control it's trajectory (anything Naruto can do in his base mode can be done in his other modes)
- Rasengan blast (that's the new Rasengan he used at the end of the movie. It shoots out like a blast of energy, similar to how the beast ball can be shot out in a wave form)
- Improvement in speed (base mode Naruto blitz an enemy while attacking him head first and he has learned how to fighting continuously at high speed)
- Improvement in strength (Naruto defeat Toneri with a punch and that attack had so much force and power it completely destroyed the ground underneath Naruto, similar to how 8th gate Gai destroyed the ground when he attacked Madara. But difference was Gai's attack was directed towards the ground while Naruto's attack was parallel with the ground)
- Improvement in taijutsu/agility (base mode Naruto kicked ass in taijutsu throughout the entire movie. He easily defeat puppets and Toneri using taijutsu)
- Naruto can release the 9 tails from his body and the 9 tails can use chakra mode
- Naruto can fly without needing to be in RSM (he was in KSM when he was flying so I believe he needs natural energy to fly)
- Partial chakra mode (Naruto can now gather 9 tails chakra just around a specific body part IE: his arm)
- Chakra shield (the jutsu Naruto used to block Toneri's strongest attack at the end of their battle. Naruto focus chakra on his hand to create a shield)
- Unknown jutsu he used to remove the chakra ball from Hinata (it appears to be yin-yang based since he was able to remove the charka ball from Hinata without injuring her)
During the Kakashi novel, before Naruto get his new arm, he learned how to preform hand seals with 1 hand.
- Rasengan blast (that's the new Rasengan he used at the end of the movie. It shoots out like a blast of energy, similar to how the beast ball can be shot out in a wave form)
- Improvement in speed (base mode Naruto blitz an enemy while attacking him head first and he has learned how to fighting continuously at high speed)
- Improvement in strength (Naruto defeat Toneri with a punch and that attack had so much force and power it completely destroyed the ground underneath Naruto, similar to how 8th gate Gai destroyed the ground when he attacked Madara. But difference was Gai's attack was directed towards the ground while Naruto's attack was parallel with the ground)
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- Improvement in taijutsu/agility (base mode Naruto kicked ass in taijutsu throughout the entire movie. He easily defeat puppets and Toneri using taijutsu)
- Naruto can release the 9 tails from his body and the 9 tails can use chakra mode
- Naruto can fly without needing to be in RSM (he was in KSM when he was flying so I believe he needs natural energy to fly)
- Partial chakra mode (Naruto can now gather 9 tails chakra just around a specific body part IE: his arm)
- Chakra shield (the jutsu Naruto used to block Toneri's strongest attack at the end of their battle. Naruto focus chakra on his hand to create a shield)
- Unknown jutsu he used to remove the chakra ball from Hinata (it appears to be yin-yang based since he was able to remove the charka ball from Hinata without injuring her)
During the Kakashi novel, before Naruto get his new arm, he learned how to preform hand seals with 1 hand.
There more:
- He can learn high level sealing jutsu. He is an Uzumaki.
- He can learn more S/T. Pa frog taught him a S/T jutsu before he fought Pain.
- He still haven't full master all of the tail beast powers. That including learning the jutsu the other jinchuriki used.
- He has access to the Hokage scroll
- He still haven't master the RSM. That's where is true potential lies. What makes RSM power is the fact it gives the user natural energy and the ability to do almost anything (it can't give Naruto eye jutsu). That because of the TSB. The TSB are all elements and yin-yang combined. The manga stated to use jutsu that are a combination of different elements/yin-yang the user first manipulate their chakra to those elements/yin-yang and then combine them. If Naruto can combine all of the elements and yin-yang together into one than he can combine the elements/yin-yang anyway he pleases. IE: If he wants to combine 3 different elements together he can. If he wants to create lava he can without needing to use the 4 tails chakra. The manga proves that.
When Naruto and Sasuke were fighting Madara he use storm release. That ability came for his RSM.
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Databook infor on Madara storm jutsu:
Ninjutsu / Senjutsu - Sage Art: Storm Release Light Fang
A ninjutsu used by those who gained
the six paths power, they emit a beam
of light to bisect the enemy. Like a sharp
and pointed fang, it cuts all things with
the speed of light, making it impossible
for the enemy to evade even one swing.
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Nope. If Sasukes chakra progress at the rate of an Indra descendent he'll be able to recreate Indra Susanoo he showed at Vote. Sasuke doesn't have the power to use chakra in it's original form. However he has the power to make the chakra he absorbs his own and that's what created a Lightning Susanoo in the 1st place. Naruto went all out to counter back at Sasukes attacks. Listing paths on Nagatos level is hardly noteworthy since Sasuke will be on a whole other level than Nagato. I.e Nagato struggled with half Kurama when Sasuke easily chibaku tensei 9 bijuu at once.
We can speculate all day what powers each of them will have in future no doubt will they both be powerfull. But realistically if Sasuke has more free time to train than Naruto. Naruto can't close the gap between them if Sasuke is gaining experience and knowledge of his powers and Naruto is getting rusty.
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What XD
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He took that fight seriously. Sasuke is not weak in nature, meaning that he would never hold back on purpose.
Recreating the Bijuu Susano'o/Indra Susano'o is not really breaching the gap in power when his Bijuu powered Susano stalemated a Half-Kurama in power. That was not even Sasuke's chakra fueling it, so with Full Kurama added with Naruto's current abilities shown. There is no way possible for Sasuke to breach that gap of power alone, he has to take the power from another source, and Kishimoto explains that clearly in the manga during their fight.
That does not even make sense. How can you justify what you are saying based on who is training or not? How do you know that shinobi from the villages do not train as much as Shinobi who roam free or are rogue? The fact is, Naruto already had the gap on Sasuke in VOTE2. It's Sasuke at this point who can't catch up to him.
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Since when is killing intent a strength or non -strength. Naruto had to pull out all the stops to fight Sasuke.
Both your counters are nonsense because Naruto had the bijuus power as well.
Sasuke accomplished what he originally set out to do. Led Naruto to his death, although unforseen Sasuke was also dieing in the process. If Naruto was stronger at Vote he would have stopped Sasuke without them both leading to their death.
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How can he be impressed by Naruto when Naruto himself plot shields him with "I don't want to kill you" nonsense.
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It's because it is not hype at all. The manga already showed us that Kurama was inferior to himself in power, when he inevitably shrunk when Minato sealed him in parts. Not to mention the BM Naruto/Minato feats that happened in the war Arc.
True people do not compare them together, but since Naruto VOTE 2 > Sasuke /w Bijuu in power
It goes furhter into the sense that Sasuke has to first catch up to VOTE 2 Naruto's power at his highest (Ashura level) without the Bijuu chakra. When he finally reaches that gap, he then has to face Naruto who at this point in time has X2 of what he did in VOTE2 + the time he is also training to raise his own power.
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Just sounds like you are making excuses at this point.
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Wait, people think Naruto can't learn anything else?
- Creation of All Things on a much bigger scale (Stuff like the Sword of Nunoboku)
- Mastering the Bijuu's chakra (Remember the 3 tails reflecting mirror that Yagura used? Yeah, Naruto after mastery can use that amongst so many other abilities. He can turn an entire battlefield into molten lava because of the 4 tails etc.)
- Mastering his Shunshin which was already enough to blitz the strongest being in NV
- Rasenshuriken variants made from different elements (Lightning, Earth, Fire etc.) with different benefits like the original FRS had.
And a lot more. The potential doesn't cap off just because you say so. Sasuke has to master what, 6 Paths? What use is that when 4 of them are useless against Naruto?
- Creation of All Things on a much bigger scale (Stuff like the Sword of Nunoboku)
- Mastering the Bijuu's chakra (Remember the 3 tails reflecting mirror that Yagura used? Yeah, Naruto after mastery can use that amongst so many other abilities. He can turn an entire battlefield into molten lava because of the 4 tails etc.)
- Mastering his Shunshin which was already enough to blitz the strongest being in NV
- Rasenshuriken variants made from different elements (Lightning, Earth, Fire etc.) with different benefits like the original FRS had.
And a lot more. The potential doesn't cap off just because you say so. Sasuke has to master what, 6 Paths? What use is that when 4 of them are useless against Naruto?
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Oh he did have killing intent:
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Only when Sasuke was charging his Indra Arrow though.
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