Sasuke can't produce as much chakra as nine bijuus so his susanoo arrow would be far far weaker and would get blown away by sage tech rasenshuriken, not even preta path would save him.
since sasuke needed to use all the bijuu to match the rsm power up it means they really were equal. apparently if the bijuu dont agree with giving you their power it gets weaker but if they willingly give it to you its stronger (which still makes no sense but it seems to be kishi logic)
Dantee man, I used to respect you as a member of the Sasuke fan base, but your posts here are nothing different than delusional fan boys. I hate how this match-up will never die out because of the nature of the characters and their fan bases. How can you say "Naruto can't hold a candle to Sasuke without the Bijuu" even though Naruto's main power is a Bijuu? That's like taking away both the Sharingan and the Bijuu, and then how does Sasuke deal with a SM Naruto? Same idea.
This match-up will never die, even though it's a clear cut fight that the manga portrayed. Naruto on the defensive was matching a Rin'negan Sasuke. Rin'negan Sasuke took in the Bijuu's in order to finish Naruto off, but instead, Naruto countered and equalled him via Ashura's Avatar and more Nature Energy. Now if you seriously believe that Rin'negan Mastery is going to make up for Sasuke losing access to his full power (the strongest Susano'o seen), you're delusional. In a battle of two people so powerful, little techniques and their tactics mean absolutely nothing. It's the full power of both that matters, and Adult Naruto has Full Kurama, making his full power double of what it was before, making him > Rin'negan Sasuke definitively. Rin'negan Mastery doesn't make up for that at all, since 4 of the Six Paths techniques are useless against Naruto and the last 2 are countered by Naruto's superior firepower.
Sasuke can't produce as much chakra as nine bijuus so his susanoo arrow would be far far weaker and would get blown away by sage tech rasenshuriken, not even preta path would save him.
A fraction of chakra is weaker than full bijuu, dear god, how do you even come up with shit like this.
How about him dodging it with Amenotejikara or trading places with Naruto? That would result in Naruto being pretty exhausted/dead and Sasuke in nigh peak condition.
How about him dodging it with Amenotejikara or trading places with Naruto? That would result in Naruto being pretty exhausted and Sasuke in nigh peak condition.
Again, how about him trading places with Naruto or teleporting "next to him". And about the radius argument, what happens with Naruto? He'd be injured as well. Except if the radius wouldn't reach him, right? But hey, Sasuke would be right besides him or switch places.
Sasuke will have a larger skill-set because of what the Rinnegan allows him to learn. However, the same goes for Naruto too. With RSM he gains the comprehension of all things, not to mention with the chakra of each Bijuu inside of him. I doubt we have seen the minimal amount of abilities he could learn with them. Mind you, that Sasuke's Rinnegan was new, but Naruto's mastery of the Bijuu was new too.
Funny how you like to turn this around when you can't even prove your stance when I ask or mention something first. You want to whine now about if Naruto learned some new Bijuu moves, when in fact I never declined that option, but you want to reject if Sasuke has mastered any new techniques with his Rinnegan, knowing full well that he has no obligations to fulfill? Yeah, okay.
Naruto might have learned a few tricks, but his time spent for training should not be larger or more than Sasuke. Listen to my words very carefully, and actually take what I am saying, fanboy.
Why do people justify that a Full Mastery over the Rinnegan will turn things over? Naruto has been dealing with Rinnegan users since the Pain Arc, and Sasuke is the only true prime Rinnegan user who was given the eyes to mature over time. Despite knowing that, do you think Naruto is going to be weak against it? It's already proven that Naruto counters every single Rinnegan path. All the way to Shinra Tensei, to Amen.
Naruto the Last, despite it being poorly constructed, already shows us feats in how both Naruto and Sasuke grew over the past two years being Rikudou enhanced.
Only a few feats from the Last:
- Base mode Naruto can create a FRS with one hand, throw it, and control it's trajectory (anything Naruto can do in his base mode can be done in his other modes)
- Rasengan blast (that's the new Rasengan he used at the end of the movie. It shoots out like a blast of energy, similar to how the beast ball can be shot out in a wave form)
- Improvement in speed (base mode Naruto blitz an enemy while attacking him head first and he has learned how to fighting continuously at high speed)
- Naruto can fly without needing to be in RSM (he was in KSM when he was flying. I believe he uses natural energy to fly)
- Partial chakra mode (Naruto can now gather 9 tails chakra just around a specific body part IE: his arm)
- Chakra shield (the jutsu Naruto used to block Toneri's strongest attack at the end of their battle. Naruto focus chakra on his hand to create a shield)
- Unknown jutsu he used to remove the chakra ball from Hinata (it appears to be yin-yang based since he was able to remove the charka ball from Hinata without injuring her. It look like Naruto either create a portal or made his arm intangible to reach inside her body.)
So I really don't see why you both are arguing over who will learn what, or who will train more. Indefinitely both have grown equally throughout the years, just because one is out traveling the world does not justify his growth exponentially. Shinobi stay in the villages all the time, much like Gai-sensei, Kakashi, Minato, etc., but that does not automatically make them anyway inferior to a shinobi who are rogue and travels constantly. That logic is also viewed as half right.
2. Unless Naruto is working on his wind nature or some new FTG technique from Minato, there is nothing new for him to learn. Sasuke has a foundation of new moves to explore from his Rinnegan.
3. When was it stated that Naruto has access to the other tailed beast when Bee was shown to be with Gyuki in the waterfall in chapter 700?
4. Sasuke is not like other Rinnegan users and the Rinnegan is not the only thing that he has access too and the fact that he showed two new Rinnegan features during their fight with Madara proves that he can also work with his S/T jutsu as well.
Naruto just applying Bijuu chakra to Rasengans was a small indication to what he could learn. The raise of his chakra to a boiling point through the Five Tails already showed us that Naruto indeed can channel types of Bijuu chakra to his body to enhance his other physical/non-physical traits, or just to learn more versatile Ninjutsu. Such as; Ice Mirror techinque, Coral, Lava body release, Sealing sand or just control over the Sand itself, Sound release (7 tails), etc.
It was stated that Naruto will always have a piece of Bijuu chakra in his body, Hagoromo indicated that Naruto will be a harbinger of each Tailed Beasts. There is nothing in the manga that tells us Naruto will lose their chakra, in fact it's quite the opposite. We can only assume that Naruto will recharge their chakra overtime.
Very true, Sasuke showed feats of being the most powerful Rinnegan user aside from JJ Madara/Kaguya without training alone. Even with that knowledge, it doesn't does not push a gap over Naruto who seemingly already had Sasuke in the defensive with the powers he already had. Half of Kurama stalemate Sasuke with Bijuu chakra, meaning that Sasuke still has to train in order to surpass the gap that Kurama has over-him with the Ashura avatar. Now that Naruto received a Full Kurama, it is seemingly impossible for someone to cross the distance of power between Half and Full Kurama at once. Naruto's skill-set was made to combat Rinnegan users, so despite their skill and power, none of which will cause any extreme difficulty to an Adult Naruto.
The fact that Sasuke is away from the village, not having to worry about missions, or protecting people and can have more time to train on his own, and develop new moves, and advance his base skills is all I need and enough proof to believe that Sasuke is stronger now. Your simple little notion of "Naruto is Hokage" is not good enough and that pathetic tactic of creating shadow clones to do his training is inferior to Sasuke's training because he is training his actual body.
I don't really understand how you could come to the conclusion that shinobi from villages are ultimately weaker than shinobi who travel/rogue. That does not make much sense. You are providing opinions from what you think is true based on logical conclusions, when in fact Naruto can equally train just as much as Sasuke over the years despite staying at home. I know for certain that Naruto trains constantly, no one waiting to become the Hokage sits down all day waiting for time to pass, and it was shown that Naruto probably became Hokage later during his years of being a father. Which mind us that Sasuke supposedly came back to the village at some point to wed and bed Sakura Haruno. I'm almost half sure that he is still not traveling the world, but possibly doing missions in the dark for Konoha, or reconnaissance.
So until you prove to me how Naruto is stronger, you can sit down, because right now, it seems like Sasuke has a lot stronger reason for being stronger and he has a lot more options to work with as opposed to Naruto.
How can you prove that Sasuke will be stronger? Every-time you list a point, it will be countered very easily. I'll wait for this response to show you how easy it will be.
If you truly believe that Naruto, a person who is leader of Konoha, and a husband of two kids has more free time than someone who is traveling the world and has all the time he wants then you seriously need to delete your account and stop wasting my time with this BS.
Funny you say that because Sasuke also had a child the same time Naruto had Boruto. Not to mention, during the last scene in the Last, Naruto was outside training his Taijutsu. So that was also invalid. People who become fathers don't automatically get nerfed.
So now you Naruto fanboys want to sit here and try to tell me that an actual Hokage does not need to do paper work and can go train all day if he wants to?
Yeah okay, this is exactly why Naruto fans are annoying.
Funny how you like to turn this around when you can't even prove your stance when I ask or mention something first. You want to whine now about if Naruto learned some new Bijuu moves, when in fact never declined that option, but you want to reject if Sasuke has mastered any new techniques with his Rinnegan, knowing full well that he has no obligations to fulfill? Yeah, okay.
Naruto might have learned a few tricks, but his time spent for training should not be larger or more than Sasuke. Listen to my words very carefully, and actually take what I am saying, fanboy.
Ill "listen" to your words carefully when your words are not opinionated, find proof about Naruto having less training time than Sasuke during these 10 years, and you won't "hear" another word from me.
2. Unless Naruto is working on his wind nature or some new FTG technique from Minato, there is nothing new for him to learn. Sasuke has a foundation of new moves to explore from his Rinnegan.
Remember that floating guy, Hagoromo? Yeah, that guy who said N-A-R-U-T-O is the M-E-E-T-I-N-G place for the B-I-J-U-U-S, need i go on? Or do i also have to remind you about the chakra that was given from the bijuus to Naruto.
4. Sasuke is not like other Rinnegan users and the Rinnegan is not the only thing that he has access too and the fact that he showed two new Rinnegan features during their fight with Madara proves that he can also work with his S/T jutsu as well.
His S/T isn't that impressive, at most the only thing he could improve is the range, but i doubt he'll be able to master it until he could swap with shit thats dozens of kilometres away.
The fact that Sasuke is away from the village, not having to worry about missions, or protecting people and can have more time to train on his own, and develop new moves, and advance his base skills is all I need and enough proof to believe that Sasuke is stronger now. Your simple little notion of "Naruto is Hokage" is not good enough and that pathetic tactic of creating shadow clones to do his training is inferior to Sasuke's training because he is training his actual body.
And as if Naruto can't train his actual body either? Send one shadow clone to worry about missions, he doesn't even need to protect the village from sh!t because there's no new Madara or pain planning to strike the village. Once again, your logic fails, Naruto could train his real body too if he wanted, all your "proof" is once again solely based on opinion when Naruto can do the same, so once again, no proof that Sasuke is even an inch stronger than Naruto.
So until you prove to me how Naruto is stronger, you can sit down, because right now, it seems like Sasuke has a lot stronger reason for being stronger and he has a lot more options to work with as opposed to Naruto.
And until you can actually prove to me how Sasuke is stronger without fanfictions and without saying Naruto is too busy even though he can send kage bunshins to do every single one of his jobs, you can keep your opinion to yourself, because as of right now with Naruto's position and kage bunshin tactic, Naruto as a pretty strong reason for being stronger himself.
It's practically common knowledge for someone who has no real objective to have more free time and more opportunities as opposed o someone who has a job and is stuck at the office.
If you truly believe that Naruto, a person who is leader of Konoha, and a husband of two kids has more free time than someone who is traveling the world and has all the time he wants then you seriously need to delete your account and stop wasting my time with this BS.
Im starting to think you don't even know what Kage Bunshin is, you know when Naruto does a little plus sign with his fingers? And how smoke appears and a dozen other Naruto's appear? Yeah, thats called Kage bunshin, creating an exact clone of yourself, who can do stuff you don't want to. This whole argument you simple ignore kage bunshin because its the only thing i need to prove that Naruto can have as much free time as he wants
So now you Naruto fanboys want to sit here and try to tell me that an actual Hokage does not need to do paper work and can go train all day if he wants to?
How about him dodging it with Amenotejikara or trading places with Naruto? That would result in Naruto being pretty exhausted/dead and Sasuke in nigh peak condition.
Seeing how Naruto can create his strongest attack with Ashura Avatar, and since both Bijuu Susano'o and Ashura avatar tanked the collision of Indra Arrow/FRS - Choudama in which both Naruto/Sasuke survived, I see no reason for Naruto's Ashura avatar not to protect Naruto if Sasuke switched places with him. Not to mention, the large scale of teleportation that could be argued. Amenotejikara has no feats of switching with large objects, but I can only assume it would be possible if Sasuke was in his PS. Not base though.
What he is implying is that Sasuke has a meter range/distance in which he can teleport. If they are spread apart while this happens, Sasuke's only valid way is to teleport away from the technique. If Naruto is close, he can teleport Sasuke. Though we still must come under the conclusion that Sasuke could be possibly hit in the collision of the blasts, we have no idea how far the blast radius will be.
I like the way the majority of Sasuke fans admits this while the Naruto one's don't (majority). It's like one side wants peace and to end this rather pointless discussion (because it's going nowhere) by offering a solution that should make both side's happy while the other one keeps being insulting and wants to continue this. Which is funny considering the mentality of their fave.
inb4 that's what debates are for: lol, like that's the only debatable thing
Again, how about him trading places with Naruto or teleporting "next to him". And about the radius argument, what happens with Naruto? He'd be injured as well. Except if the radius wouldn't reach him, right? But hey, Sasuke would be right besides him or switch places.
Fights with chakra mecha out, that is when they have pulled out susanoo and bijuu mode would already ensure that they have moved so far apart that short range jutsus will no longer be a factor.
Sasuke would be hit with maximum impact and there is no indra arrow to dissipate rasenshuriken's effects.
I like the way the majority of Sasuke fans admits this while the Naruto one's don't (majority). It's like one side wants peace and to end this rather pointless discussion (because it's going nowhere) by offering a solution that should make both side's happy while the other one keeps being insulting and and wants to continue this. Which is funny considering the mentality of their fave.
inb4 that's what debates are for: lol, like that's the only debatable thing
I beg to differ. Only a few rational Sasuke fan's admit that they are equal, and then they're are the fappers that believe a fully mastered Rinnegan Sasuke > RSM Naruto.
However, each and every Naruto fan admits that RSM Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke. So it's of personal choice, but seeing KidGamer and Korasi's arguments against them. I am with the latter.
I beg to differ. Only a few rational Sasuke fan's admit that they are equal, and then they're are the fappers that believe a fully mastered Rinnegan Sasuke > RSM Naruto.
However, each and every Naruto fan admits that RSM Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke. So it's of personal choice, but seeing KidGamer and Korasi's arguments against them. I am with the latter.
It all goes to to personal opinion at the end of the day. I already truly believe that Naruto > Sasuke, any form at this point. Though I don't try to force my opinion on anyone. Though I will debate against it when it is happening, or if I feel the conversation consists of fap level 9000.
Right now in the Manga: Naruto
Right now through Hype: Sasuke
^imo I believe this is how it is portrayed on the base.
It all goes to to personal opinion at the end of the day. I already truly believe that Naruto > Sasuke, any form at this point. Though I don't try to force my opinion on anyone. Though I will debate against it when it is happening, or if I feel the conversation consists of fap level 9000.
Right now in the Manga: Naruto
Right now through Hype: Sasuke
^imo I believe this is how it is portrayed on the base.
I remember on a DBZ forum where similar arguments were used wherein SSJ4 Vegeta was inferior to SSJ4 Goku because he cheated his way to SSJ4 when both seemed of the same power level to me.This goes on in every series xD
