So Madara > Rikudou?

[KingHashirama]

I agree that Madara acquired Kagyua's powers/abilities a top of his own + double Rinnegan's abilities. He also surprassed The Rikudou skillwise/ amount of abilties most likely, but he is still below chakra amount wise as he lacks Yin Kurama still, bit of tailed beasts chakra which Naruto got are irreleveant, but Yin Kurama matters.

If Madara had Yin Kurama as of now then I would indoublty says Madara is the strongest in NV not matter skillwise or chakra amount/raw power wise.

Besides I am almost sure Hagoromo only considered himself as Noone Jin when he compared himself and others to his mother, in other word Prime jin Hagoromo could be on par or around her level at least. The fact that Prime Jin Hagoromo had no threat to fight/face at his time hints that he has never had opportunity to check his power/strength so I can be correct.

This is how I see them:

Chakra power/amount wise: Kaguya>=Hagoromo > Madara (due to Having Yin Kurama which Madara lacks)
Skillwise/amount of abilities : Madara > Hagoromo > Kagyua (Madara: Double Rinnegan + Juubi eye, nuff said)
Powerwise(Overall): Madara ~Hagoromo~Kagyua

Result: I think overall they are all on par with each other while everyone of them have advanatge in one field and disadvantage in other.

Just my thoughs. Of course I can change my mind when I see more from Madara in incomming chapters.

Kaguya is superior to Rikudou in everything. Also, chakra power/amount wise.. only the fans think him not having parts of tailed beasts inside him makes him weaker.. manga hasn't stated so.

Are you saying she defeated herself?

Answer the quesiton. Are you claiming Rikudou > Kaguya? And now Rikudou defeated Kaguya?

Why are you tryna avoid my question by asking me a question to something that hasn't been revealed?

 

[Seventh Sama]

I agree that Madara acquired Kagyua's powers/abilities a top of his own + double Rinnegan's abilities. He also surprassed The Rikudou skillwise/ amount of abilties most likely, but he is still below chakra amount wise as he lacks Yin Kurama still, bit of tailed beasts chakra which Naruto got are irreleveant, but Yin Kurama matters.

If Madara had Yin Kurama as of now then I would indoublty says Madara is the strongest in NV not matter skillwise or chakra amount/raw power wise.

Besides I am almost sure Hagoromo only considered himself as Noone Jin when he compared himself and others to his mother, in other word Prime jin Hagoromo could be on par or around her level at least. The fact that Prime Jin Hagoromo had no threat to fight/face at his time hints that he has never had opportunity to check his power/strength so I can be correct.

This is how I see them:

Chakra power/amount wise: Kaguya>=Hagoromo > Madara (due to Having Yin Kurama which Madara lacks)
Skillwise/amount of abilities : Madara > Hagoromo > Kagyua (Madara: Double Rinnegan + Juubi eye, nuff said)
Powerwise(Overall): Madara ~Hagoromo~Kagyua

Result: I think overall they are all on par with each other while everyone of them have advanatge in one field and disadvantage in other.

Just my thoughs. Of course I can change my mind when I see more from Madara in incomming chapters.

didn't you agree that sage had the 3rd eye as well? You kinda contradict yourself right now....

 

[XxxBeastxxX]

Nah bro i say this cuz old man sage had his powers waaay longer and has more experience with them.

 

[KingHashirama]

Nah bro i say this cuz old man sage had his powers waaay longer and has more experience with them.

He ain't had Kaguya's eye bro. Supposedly the strongest eye in the series.

 

[xxxLegacy]

In theory i guess you can say he is..but Rikudou has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more feats

You mean Madara has more Feats than anybody ? Should a count his feats?

 

[Limbo]

Madz has surpassed so6p and even Kaguya, for those who said sosp created the moon, that is false, we saw the moon in sosp flashback

 

[xxxLegacy]

Madz has surpassed so6p and even Kaguya, for those who said sosp created the moon, that is false, we saw the moon in sosp flashback

+ without The Moon Kaguya could not use IT looooool ; ) Haters gona Hate


Madara #1

 

[-Spoiler-]

Answer the quesiton. Are you claiming Rikudou > Kaguya? And now Rikudou defeated Kaguya?

Why are you tryna avoid my question by asking me a question to something that hasn't been revealed?

Umm yes he could be lot more powerful that Kaguya he was the Jinchuriki of the Ten tails, and who else if not him defeated Kaguya? who else had the power capable of doing that?

 

[phantomlord22]

Rikudu > Madara

IMO

 

[xxxLegacy]

Madara > anybody

IMO

/fixed......

 

[KingHashirama]

Umm yes he could be lot more powerful that Kaguya he was the Jinchuriki of the Ten tails, and who else if not him defeated Kaguya? who else had the power capable of doing that?

Yet he says Kaguya was the most powerful...... trying to go against the manga now to make yourself right?

In fact the fruit > Juubi.. even Rikudou himself is hinting the samething..

And how do you know Kaguya required to be defeated? And why couldn't the juubi have defeated her?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Kaguya is superior to Rikudou in everything. Also, chakra power/amount wise.. only the fans think him not having parts of tailed beasts inside him makes him weaker.. manga hasn't stated so.

I disagree, it is only use of common sense to know that bigger amount of something is bigger then smaller amount of something lol and yes until Kishi states otherwise having more raw chakra makes you stronger in chakra amount simply as that. Also Rikudou is supperior to Kagyua abilities wise but you can believe in what you want.

Also, The mark/tattoo on Hagoromo's forehead + the fact from the lastest chapter that anyone with Double Rinnegan(most likely Madara meant Original user) being close to the moon can awake Third eye aka Juubi eye. We know that Only Madara and Hagoromo awakened Rinnegan as original users. Now considering that Hagoromo has double Rinnegan(Original user) + was once Ten tails host of Complete Ten tails it is safe to assume that Hagoromo also had Third Eye aka Juubi's eye then... it could also explain how Sasuke acquired Nine tomoes Rinnegan because Naruto and Sasuke would only get someting which Sage had.

Now my theory about tattoo/mark on Hagoromo's forehead is either that he sealed this eye because he didn't want to follow his Mother's footsteps/considered it evil or Once he extracted Ten tails beast he lost Third eye but it left empty hole of eyesocket in his forehead which looked ugly or bothered him so he placed seal on it to cover it. It could be due to Kishi hide for Hagoromo's look sake or to keep us surprised when Sasuke then Madara get this eye.

didn't you agree that sage had the 3rd eye as well? You kinda contradict yourself right now....

Of course No, I still believe Sage had 3rd eye aka Juubi's eye once he was host then lost it after extracting Ten tails beast.

My explanation/view: The mark/tattoo on Hagoromo's forehead + the fact from the lastest chapter that anyone with Double Rinnegan(most likely Madara meant Original user) being close to the moon can awake Third eye aka Juubi eye. We know that Only Madara and Hagoromo awakened Rinnegan as original users. Now considering that Hagoromo has double Rinnegan(Original user) + was once Ten tails host of Complete Ten tails it is safe to assume that Hagoromo also had Third Eye aka Juubi's eye then... it could also explain how Sasuke acquired Nine tomoes Rinnegan because Naruto and Sasuke would only get someting which Sage had.

Now my theory about tattoo/mark on Hagoromo's forehead is either that he sealed this eye because he didn't want to follow his Mother's footsteps/considered it evil or Once he extracted Ten tails beast he lost Third eye but it left empty hole of eyesocket in his forehead which looked ugly or bothered him so he placed seal on it to cover it. It could be due to Kishi hide for Hagoromo's look sake or to keep us surprised when Sasuke then Madara get this eye.

 

[xxxLegacy]

Mangascan where Hagoromo has a third eye ?
The othet Kurama half, is not importend for a ninja like Madara. He has more than enough Chakra.

Kaguya : Third eye / Byakugan / A part of Shinju (Fruit)
Hagoromo: 2 Rinnengans / Juubi

Madara: 2 Rinnengan / Third Eye / Juubi / the ****ing holy tree / EMS / Mokuton / PSS / Gunbai ....lol its only dumb to say Madara is not the strongest hmm

 

[-Spoiler-]

Yet he says Kaguya was the most powerful...... trying to go against the manga now to make yourself right?

In fact the fruit > Juubi.. even Rikudou himself is hinting the samething..

And how do you know Kaguya required to be defeated? And why couldn't the juubi have defeated her?

Says fruit>Juubi then goes to say Juubi defeated Kaguya. i'm done.

 

[KingHashirama]

I disagree, it is only use of common sense to know that bigger amount of something is bigger then smaller amount of something lol and yes until Kishi states otherwise having more raw chakra makes you stronger in chakra amount simply as that. Also Rikudou is supperior to Kagyua abilities wise but you can believe in what you want.

Also, The mark/tattoo on Hagoromo's forehead + the fact from the lastest chapter that anyone with Double Rinnegan(most likely Madara meant Original user) being close to the moon can awake Third eye aka Juubi eye. We know that Only Madara and Hagoromo awakened Rinnegan as original users. Now considering that Hagoromo has double Rinnegan(Original user) + was once Ten tails host of Complete Ten tails it is safe to assume that Hagoromo also had Third Eye aka Juubi's eye then... it could also explain how Sasuke acquired Nine tomoes Rinnegan because Naruto and Sasuke would only get someting which Sage had.

Now my theory about tattoo/mark on Hagoromo's forehead is either that he sealed this eye because he didn't want to follow his Mother's footsteps/considered it evil or Once he extracted Ten tails beast he lost Third eye but it left empty hole of eyesocket in his forehead which looked ugly or bothered him so he placed seal on it to cover it. It could be due to Kishi hide for Hagoromo's look sake or to keep us surprised when Sasuke then Madara get this eye.

the "third" eye symbol on top is basically a reference to their mastery over something. (i made a little thing about this a while back).

Yin seal - chakra control mastery

Hashirama's SM - SM mastery

Rikudou's forehead tatoo- Rinnegan mastery

Kaguya's 10-tomoe - Sharingan mastery.

Also, Kishimoto made Rikudou himself state that Kaguya was the most powerful. Also, as for what you said about "you don't think rikudou was reffering to him being a jinchuriki when he compared himself to Madara".. well actually Rikudou's "power" = Juubi's jin. Rikudou really isn't "GOD level" without being a jinchuriki... So yea.

Says fruit>Juubi then goes to say Juubi defeated Kaguya. i'm done.

Yes because people can't be weakened right? Hell Kaguya is shown to have merged with the god tree itself..

Aye atleast i'm not the one trying to make a character who admit his inferiority to another character, superior to that character.

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[KCMNaruto]

Madz has surpassed so6p and even Kaguya, for those who said sosp created the moon, that is false, we saw the moon in sosp flashback

that only mean Ten tails went mad in battle against Hagoromo and his brother and busted the moon into pieces or dust lol.
Later Hagoromo only recreated The moon with his own power showing testament to his power while he could do it due to sentiment to hsi Mother's homeland or simply to trap Juubi.

In short: Juubi can be considered moon buster...

 

[HiddenSound]

Everything Madara has came from Hagoromo. So they're equal at best.

 

[KCMNaruto]

the "third" eye symbol on top is basically a reference to their mastery over something. (i made a little thing about this a while back).

Yin seal - chakra control mastery

Hashirama's SM - SM mastery

Rikudou's forehead tatoo- Rinnegan mastery

Kaguya's 10-tomoe - Sharingan mastery.

Also, Kishimoto made Rikudou himself state that Kaguya was the most powerful. Also, as for what you said about "you don't think rikudou was reffering to him being a jinchuriki when he compared himself to Madara".. well actually Rikudou's "power" = Juubi's jin. Rikudou really isn't "GOD level" without being a jinchuriki... So yea.

Well it depends on your interpretation.

Imo Prime Jin Hagoromo is on par with Kagyua and Current Madara, but of course None Jin Hagoromo got surprassed lastest chapter.

EDIT: @bold part, I meant that Hagoromo after becoming Ten tails host has no danger/threat to face/fight so honestly he should be unable to properly meassure his power and compare to his mother. It is only more logical that Hagoromo compared himself in Current state(Post Juubi Jin or Pre Juubi Jin eventually) because Pre Juubi Jin Hagoromo most likely expierienced firsthand how powerfull his mother is when he was child or young man yet.

 

[phantomlord22]

/fixed......

don't you dare to fix my post ever again

or

you will be trapped in the mugen tsukyumi

 

[aashish1996]

Didn't Kaguya also have Byakugan?? Madara doesn't have that... IDK about everything else but at the very least not that..

also...

WHO THE HELL CARES about Kaguya or Rikudo at this point?? We have some teenagers here that have crazy power-ups such that those considered the strongest like Hashirama, Hiruzen get beaten without any trouble now....