So Madara > Rikudou?

[KingHashirama]

He does have Kaguya's powers now... which is above Rikudou's power. So I assume its save to say Madara > Rikudou? =D

 

[Seventh Sama]

Can we not start this?...This has been debunked and discussed many times...

 

[chuloe]

Yeah madz has kaguya power plus more

 

[KingHashirama]

Can we not start this?...This has been debunked and discussed many times...

But how is it debunked? Rofl. Thats what i'm not understanding.

Rikudou specifically stated Madara has attained his power.. and is now trying to attack Kaguya's. And he succeeded in attaining Kaguya's power.. Unless you guys are of the claim Rikudou > Kaguya.

 

[jtolliver87]

In theory i guess you can say he is..but Rikudou has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more feats

 

[Ojdidit]

In theory i guess you can say he is..but Rikudou has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more feats

No he doesn't

 

[ChocoThunder]

Maybe he is I don't know

 

[Tarinth]

Seems reasonable. But then again, each half of Rikudou's powers are faring pretty
well against Madara.

 

[Seventh Sama]

But how is it debunked? Rofl. Thats what i'm not understanding.

Rikudou specifically stated Madara has attained his power.. and is now trying to attack Kaguya's. And he succeeded in attaining Kaguya's power.. Unless you guys are of the claim Rikudou > Kaguya.

Because madara is missing yin kurama which is alot of chakra and it's heavily implied that so6p's had the 3rd eye as well. He just sealed it away hence the forehead eye marking....
btw he said madara is trying to get close to his power not that madara is already at his level.... Madara lacks the god fruit as well....

 

[Swaggersaurus Rex]

I wish someone would just blow up the moon already.​

 

[Scryed]

I don't know...

The way Madara explained his tomoe Rinnegan would imply that Hagoromo could also acquire it whenever he gets close to the moon...

But Madara is still missing pieces of all Bijuus and 50%Kyuubi which is alot.

I think that's how people still have him below Kaguya and Hagoromo.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Yes King......the supposed debunked.... I have not seen such.... If they are using scans that happened before The Rikudou said that, then their claims are invalid. The most recent takes precedence over anything in the past....if said topic happens to collide... I also believe he has surpassed Kaguya.... I feel two Rinnegan>two Byakugan.... That's just me.....

Though I agree King.... As usual sometimes certain things are touchy for others myself included I'm not different....you are bound to have those who just cannot accept certain things. Nothing wrong with it....it is just human nature. ^_^

 

[KingHashirama]

But you guys do realize that him having the ability the power to do the I.T. puts him above Rikudou.. Rikudou can't do IT.. only KAguya and Madara can. Rikudou doesn't have the Sharingan or the byakugan. Madara does.. (i think he has the byakugan now).

Also, the juubi can actually replace for the chakra it doesn't have.. by gathering more chakra.

 

[a banned cartoon]

No he doesn't

Creating all tailed beasts, crating the moon, crating children using C.O.A.T. Rikudo is beyond Madara. He is the base of madras powers. Kaguya ate the fruit, which came from the Juubi, Rikudo absorbed the Juubi. Rikudo not only has knowledge of ninshuu, but ninjutsu, and he crated most techs. He also probably had the cooperation of the tailed beasts which Madara doesn't, he has both the yin, and yang staff, Madara only has yang. He created ninjutsu, I imagine he knows how to use it better. Rikudo didn't have to awaken the rinnegan he was born with it. It's safe to say he's had it longer so he woul know how to utilize it better. Rikudo also naturally had sage mode Madara had to steal it, so rikudo most likely know how to use it better than Madara.

Because madara is missing yin kurama which is alot of chakra and it's heavily implied that so6p's had the 3rd eye as well. He just sealed it away hence the forehead eye marking....
btw he said madara is trying to get close to his power not that madara is already at his level.... Madara lacks the god fruit as well....

I don't think he had the third eye. We would've saw it when he was talking to Naruto, and Sasuke, or the slit for it.

 

[-Spoiler-]

If Kaguya was so powerful i wonder who stopped her IT

 

[KingHashirama]

If Kaguya was so powerful i wonder who stopped her IT

So you are saying Rikudou > Kaguya?

Creating all tailed beasts, crating the moon, crating children using C.O.A.T. Rikudo is beyond Madara. He is the base of madras powers. Kaguya ate the fruit, which came from the Juubi, Rikudo absorbed the Juubi. Rikudo not only has knowledge of ninshuu, but ninjutsu, and he crated most techs. He also probably had the cooperation of the tailed beasts which Madara doesn't, he has both the yin, and yang staff, Madara only has yang. He created ninjutsu, I imagine he knows how to use it better. Rikudo didn't have to awaken the rinnegan he was born with it. It's safe to say he's had it longer so he woul know how to utilize it better.

Yes because Madara got the time to sit down, and create tailed beasts right? ... loll

And he didn't create most techniques.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Creating all tailed beasts, crating the moon, crating children using C.O.A.T. Rikudo is beyond Madara. He is the base of madras powers. Kaguya ate the fruit, which came from the Juubi, Rikudo absorbed the Juubi. Rikudo not only has knowledge of ninshuu, but ninjutsu, and he crated most techs. He also probably had the cooperation of the tailed beasts which Madara doesn't, he has both the yin, and yang staff, Madara only has yang. He created ninjutsu, I imagine he knows how to use it better. Rikudo didn't have to awaken the rinnegan he was born with it. It's safe to say he's had it longer so he woul know how to utilize it better.

Wrong, BZ said that rikudou awakened the rinnegan....

 

[KCMNaruto]

First, I agree that Madara acquired Kagyua's powers/abilities a top of his own + double Rinnegan's abilities. He also surprassed The Rikudou skillwise/ amount of abilties most likely, but he is still below chakra amount wise as he lacks Yin Kurama still, bit of tailed beasts chakra which Naruto got are irreleveant, but Yin Kurama matters.

Second, If Madara had Yin Kurama as of now then I would indoublty says Madara is the strongest in NV not matter skillwise or chakra amount/raw power wise.

Third, I am almost sure Hagoromo only considered himself as Noone Jin when he compared himself and others to his mother, in other word Prime jin Hagoromo could be on par or around her level at least. The fact that Prime Jin Hagoromo had no threat to fight/face at his time hints that he has never had opportunity to check his power/strength so I can be correct.

Fourth, The mark/tattoo on Hagoromo's forehead + the fact from the lastest chapter that anyone with Double Rinnegan(most likely Madara meant Original user) being close to the moon can awake Third eye aka Juubi eye. We know that Only Madara and Hagoromo awakened Rinnegan as original users. Now considering that Hagoromo has double Rinnegan(Original user) + was once Ten tails host of Complete Ten tails it is safe to assume that Hagoromo also had Third Eye aka Juubi's eye then... it could also explain how Sasuke acquired Nine tomoes Rinnegan because Naruto and Sasuke would only get someting which Sage had.

Now my theory about tattoo/mark on Hagoromo's forehead is either that he sealed this eye because he didn't want to follow his Mother's footsteps/considered it evil or Once he extracted Ten tails beast he lost Third eye but it left empty hole of eyesocket in his forehead which looked ugly or bothered him so he placed seal on it to cover it. It could be due to Kishi hide for Hagoromo's look sake or to keep us surprised when Sasuke then Madara get this eye.

This is how I see them:

Chakra power/amount wise: Kaguya>=Hagoromo > Madara (due to Having Yin Kurama which Madara lacks)
Skillwise/amount of abilities : Madara > Hagoromo > Kagyua (Madara: Double Rinnegan + Juubi eye, nuff said)
Powerwise(Overall): Madara ~Hagoromo~Kagyua

Result: I think overall they are all on par with each other while everyone of them have advanatge in one field and disadvantage in other.

Just my thoughs. Of course I can change my mind when I see more from Madara in incomming chapters.

 

[-Spoiler-]

So you are saying Rikudou > Kaguya?

Are you saying she defeated herself?

 

[Scryed]

Is Viz out yet?

I want to see the page where Madara explains how to acquire the Tomoe Rinnegan.

Since by his explanation, Hagoromo would have it too. (Which could explain Sasuke's tomoe Rinnegan If it's not just a misleading appearance) He could've given it to Sasuke if he had it.

I also think the fruit grants much more than just the tomoe Rinnegan if Hagoromo admitted inferiority to her.