So do you think Sakura

[Fockboy]

No, Rikudo Madara. Pay attention.

bad part on kishi guess he forgot to explain why he nerfed it because as stated by Tsunade there isn't a single med justsu that is healing it whatsoever.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

He's not using enton manip with just MS unless it's fully stored which equals prep time, therefore Naruto has 2 clone at mt myoboku with prep.

Sasuke used enton in his battle with the 5 kages. No prep needed. Even War arc SM Naruto was limited in the number of FRS he could pull. That doesn't change the real question. How is naruto breaking susanoo?

 

[Denzel Washington]

-His SM sensing would enable him to sense the chakra built up of amaterasu and can either dodge it prior to the attack, or can block the LoS of Sasuke, in-order to counter the attack

--He can create many shadow clones and can get each of them to fire off FRS, COFRS and Rasengan barrages as these attacks would bypass all of sasukes susanoo variants,

Naruto can use Frog Call to momentarily paralyze sasukes movements as the sound genjutsu would make sasuke lose his susnaoo and allow naruto to effectively finish him off, or naruto can get his KB to attack, whilst the real one preps Frog Song which is also giving him the win

CQC is also more advantageous for Naruto due to him having superior speed and reflexes thanks to SM, and being able to overwhelm sasuke through frog katas, as naruto having the KB, SM sensing, as well as Ma&Pa


The only FRS that hit Madara was Edo Madara :lol

Anything else was a RS variant.

The final one that hit Madara was an FRS infused with Magma style

 

[Fockboy]

Sasuke used enton in his battle with the 5 kages. No prep needed. Even War arc SM Naruto was limited in the number of FRS he could pull. That doesn't change the real question. How is naruto breaking susanoo?

indra post Zzz

 

[lndra]

The final one that hit Madara was an FRS infused with Magma style

That wasn't a Fuuton Rasenshuriken :lol

That was YRS, Yoton Rasen Shuriken. Two different things here.

Sasuke used enton in his battle with the 5 kages. No prep needed. Even War arc SM Naruto was limited in the number of FRS he could pull. That doesn't change the real question. How is naruto breaking susanoo?

Amaterasu always needs prep time, the user has to gather Chakra in their eye and then releases it later. War Arc SM Naruto also has clones that can gather NE and can activate SM after they disappear, not to mention War Arc SM Naruto is not as restricted as SM Naruto. He pulled off way more than what was possible during the Pein fight.

I already said it.

He can create shadow clones and can get each of them to fire off FRS, COFRS and Rasengan barrages as these attacks would bypass all of sasukes susanoo variants,

 

[Denzel Washington]

That wasn't a Fuuton Rasenshuriken :lol

That was YRS, Yoton Rasen Shuriken. Two different things here.

Are you serious?

There is no Rasenshuriken without Futon. That's what Rasenshuriken is; Rasengan infused with wind.

 

[Fockboy]

Are you serious?

There is no Rasenshuriken without Futon. That's what Rasenshuriken is; Rasengan infused with wind.

whag? no go back to nature transformation 101 rn.

 

[lndra]

Are you serious?

There is no Rasenshuriken without Futon. That's what Rasenshuriken is; Rasengan infused with wind.

No.

Fuuton: RasenShuriken. FUUTON, Wind, takes the form of a shuriken.

Yoton Rasen SHURIKEN. YOTON, Lava, takes the form of a shuriken. There is no wind properties there.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

-His SM sensing would enable him to sense the chakra built up of amaterasu and can either dodge it prior to the attack, or can block the LoS of Sasuke, in-order to counter the attack

--He can create many shadow clones and can get each of them to fire off FRS, COFRS and Rasengan barrages as these attacks would bypass all of sasukes susanoo variants,

Naruto can use Frog Call to momentarily paralyze sasukes movements as the sound genjutsu would make sasuke lose his susnaoo and allow naruto to effectively finish him off, or naruto can get his KB to attack, whilst the real one preps Frog Song which is also giving him the win

CQC is also more advantageous for Naruto due to him having superior speed and reflexes thanks to SM, and being able to overwhelm sasuke through frog katas, as naruto having the KB, SM sensing, as well as Ma&Pa


The only FRS that hit Madara was Edo Madara :lol

Anything else was a RS variant.

You forget Naruto cannot spam FRS in this form. Even war arc SM Naruto still had the same FRS number limit. Or one Odoma FRS limit. Unless you are giving him prep with 2 clones in frog village, Just summoning those two toads will exhaust his sage chakra. Besides if naruto summon the frogs, Sasuke can just summon Aoda. Snakes don't really have ears and so are unaffected by sound genjutstu. And I wasn't aware SM Naruto pre-rikudou could sense chakra tech build up.

War arc Naruto did not really do much so you cannot say his previous limitations changed. After throwing one FRS at Madara, he lost his SM.

 

[Fockboy]

No.

Fuuton: RasenShuriken. FUUTON, Wind, takes the form of a shuriken.

Yoton Rasen SHURIKEN. YOTON, Lava, takes the form of a shuriken. There is no wind properties there.

He obviously skipped when Naruto learned RS

 

[Denzel Washington]

No.

Fuuton: RasenShuriken. FUUTON, Wind, takes the form of a shuriken.

Yoton Rasen SHURIKEN. YOTON, Lava, takes the form of a shuriken. There is no wind properties there.

That makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.

Why would something with a completely different release take the exact same appearance as the windrelease, save for some fire?

Wind is the style that cuts and severes. Infusing a rasengan with magma would not create a jutsu that cuts and severes. Kakashi explains this early on in Shippuden, I suggest you go back and reread that arc to get a better grasp.

It's clear Naruto infused his classic FRS to have magma properties.

 

[Denzel Washington]

I see what you are talking about. But that's how kishi made it. Apparently it doesn't matter what chakra nature he uses. It still comes out looking like a shuriken. Even if he had lightening or fire, it would be Raiton Rasenshuriken and Katon Rasenshuriken respectively. Apparently the nature of the chakra has no bearing on it's shape any longer.

That's directly contradictory to what he stated earlier with chakra natures.

Each one give specific properties to a jutsu; Fire is generally for AoE devastation. It would not create a jutsu that cuts and slices, unless it was also infused with wind.

 

[lndra]

You forget Naruto cannot spam FRS in this form. Even war arc SM Naruto still had the same FRS number limit. Or one Odoma FRS limit. Unless you are giving him prep with 2 clones in frog village, Just summoning those two toads will exhaust his sage chakra. Besides if naruto summon the frogs, Sasuke can just summon Aoda. Snakes don't really have ears and so are unaffected by sound genjutstu. And I wasn't aware SM Naruto pre-rikudou could sense chakra tech build up.

War arc Naruto did not really do much so you cannot say his previous limitations changed. After throwing one FRS at Madara, he lost his SM.

He doesn't need to spam just FRS or COFRS. War Arc SM Naruto was shown being able to create at least these many clones, all equipped with

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It wouldn't take Naruto going all out to destroy the Susano'o of MS Sasuke's level when he can produce attacks like that, and a

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. Naruto's reserves and control were ample enough to create these many clones in SM Naruto, while back during the Pein Fight he could only create a certain amount in Sage Mode. The power difference is unreal, literally.

Snakes do have ears, they just hear through smaller vibrations rather than regular sounds.

That makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.

Why would something with a completely different release take the exact same appearance as the windrelease, save for some fire?

Wind is the style that cuts and severes. Infusing a rasengan with magma would not create a jutsu that cuts and severes. Kakashi explains this early on in Shippuden, I suggest you go back and reread that arc to get a better grasp.

It's clear Naruto infused his classic FRS to have magma properties.

Because it's a different jutsu mate. FRS = Fuuton Rasen Shuriken
YRS = Yoton Rasen Shuriken

Hell even the Tailed Beast Rasen Shuriken combo.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Nope. Funnily enough, despite this being one of the most important things she's done, it's also one of her worst feats. She couldn't even insta-kill Shin, who is not, as far as we know, have superior durability in comparison to other ninjas. It's more of a statement against her than for her considering it was a sneak attack.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

That's directly contradictory to what he stated earlier with chakra natures.

Each one give specific properties to a jutsu; Fire is generally for AoE devastation. It would not create a jutsu that cuts and slices, unless it was also infused with wind.

It would seem you may be right. I just looked at the individual techs. He creates the cores out of the different chakra natures. ie magma release, magnet release etc and then does the fuuton transformation on that. In which case, the techs would still essentially be a variant of Fuuton: RasenShuriken.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

He doesn't need to spam just FRS or COFRS. War Arc SM Naruto was shown being able to create at least these many clones, all equipped with

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It wouldn't take Naruto going all out to destroy the Susano'o of MS Sasuke's level when he can produce attacks like that, and a

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. Naruto's reserves and control were ample enough to create these many clones in SM Naruto, while back during the Pein Fight he could only create a certain amount in Sage Mode. The power difference is unreal, literally.

Snakes do have ears, they just hear through smaller vibrations rather than regular sounds.


Because it's a different jutsu mate. FRS = Fuuton Rasen Shuriken
YRS = Yoton Rasen Shuriken

Hell even the Tailed Beast Rasen Shuriken combo.

As impressive as those odomo rasengans are, FRS is a more powerful attack. If FRS and Kirin cannot penetrate Susanoo, Odoma rasengans cannot.

 

[lndra]

It would seem you may be right. I just looked at the individual techs. It seems he creates the cores out of the different chakra natures. ie magma release, magnet release etc and then does the fuuton transformation on that. In which case, the techs would still essentially be a variant of Fuuton: RasenShuriken.

They aren't variants of FRS for Gods sake lmao.

Here's the Magnet Style RS from the Databook.

Sage Art: Magnet Style Rasengan (仙法・磁遁螺旋丸, Senpō: Jiton Rasengan)

It basically says that inheriting the Sage of Six Path's power made it possible for Naruto to combine Shukaku's Magnet Release with the Rasengan to amplify it with magnetic power (吸引力, different kanji from Banshō Ten'in).

As impressive as those odomo rasengans are, FRS is a more powerful attack. If FRS and Kirin cannot penetrate Susanoo, Odoma rasengans cannot.

None SM enhanced Chou oodama Rasengan destroyed V1 Susano'o. You are downplaying their strength, especially when SM enhanced.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

They aren't variants of FRS for Gods sake lmao.

Here's the Magnet Style RS from the Databook.




None SM enhanced Chou oodama Rasengan destroyed V1 Susano'o. You are downplaying their strength, especially when SM enhanced.

Well even with that barrage of rasengans, kurama doesn't look injured. He was just forced back. where was V1 susanoo destroyed?


With regards to the rasenshuriken argument. I think he might have a point. TBBRS doesn't say wind release, but we know it's a FRS with TBB as it's core.

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Only the cores are changed. Same as TBBRS.
It was mentioned earlier in the manga that it's the wind nature that gives it it's shuriken look. It actually would make sense.

The databook it also kind of vague. It doesn't say the process of it's formation.

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That Rasenshuriken on the far right just looks like it has had fuuton transformation done on this ^.

 

[lndra]

Well even with that barrage of rasengans, kurama doesn't look injured. He was just forced back. where was V1 susanoo destroyed?
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Naruto v. Edo Madara, go look at that.

None of those use Fuuton chakra at all. It's really just a stupid thought (not towards you). Essentially it's basically how a FRS is made, but instead of using Fuuton, another element takes its place.

There's no such thing as using an already created FRS and adding an element there when the core is Fuuton, that has to be something from the backwaters of overthinking something so plainly obvious.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Naruto v. Edo Madara, go look at that.

None of those use Fuuton chakra at all. It's really just a stupid thought (not towards you). Essentially it's basically how a FRS is made, but instead of using Fuuton, another element takes its place.

There's no such thing as using an already created FRS and adding an element there when the core is Fuuton, that has to be something from the backwaters of overthinking something so plainly obvious.

I guess.

But Ribcage susanoo stopped Odoma rasengan.

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