SMT: Persona FC

[Centurybomber]

If i saw this in real life, i think i would S*** bricks all over.......

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[Magatsu Izanagi]

If i saw this in real life, i think i would S*** bricks all over.......

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LOL wtf!!! Some characters are NOT meant to be cosplayed -.-
Nice Minato ava by the way.

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

What if I told you... that this was the Top 10 list of the Persona universe?

(Excluding Philemon/Nyarlathotep, and "boss" power (ex. Kumeno-Saigiri isn't included as Marie's power)

1) Minato
2) Elizabeth
3) Tatsuya (not kidding)
4) Yu
5) Maki Sonomura (P1, not kidding)
6) Naoya Toudou (P1MC)
7) Adachi
8) Aegis
9) Margaret
10) Maya Amano (P2)

I'll elaborate on any of my placings, if needed.

(Btw, Tatsuya can stop time and resist universe-level reality warping, among other things)

 

[Centurybomber]

What if I told you... that this was the Top 10 list of the Persona universe?

(Excluding Philemon/Nyarlathotep, and "boss" power (ex. Kumeno-Saigiri isn't included as Marie's power)

1) Minato
2) Elizabeth
3) Tatsuya (not kidding)
4) Yu
5) Maki Sonomura (P1, not kidding)
6) Naoya Toudou (P1MC)
7) Adachi
8) Aegis
9) Margaret
10) Maya Amano (P2)

I'll elaborate on any of my placings, if needed.

(Btw, Tatsuya can stop time and resist universe-level reality warping, among other things)

Never knew Tatsuya was really that capable. o.o

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Never knew Tatsuya was really that capable. o.o

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm happy you answered so nicely, haha. As soon as Naoya and the others see this, they'll either begin to laugh at me, scold me, or demand proof. Probably all three xD

 

[Adachi]

What if I told you... that this was the Top 10 list of the Persona universe?

(Excluding Philemon/Nyarlathotep, and "boss" power (ex. Kumeno-Saigiri isn't included as Marie's power)

1) Minato
2) Elizabeth
3) Tatsuya (not kidding)
4) Yu
5) Maki Sonomura (P1, not kidding)
6) Naoya Toudou (P1MC)
7) Adachi
8) Aegis
9) Margaret
10) Maya Amano (P2)

I'll elaborate on any of my placings, if needed.

(Btw, Tatsuya can stop time and resist universe-level reality warping, among other things)

Your top ten? <_<
And I don't like Souji. :|

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Your top ten? <_<
And I don't like Souji. :|

Based on statements and feats from the games, yes.

You want to be switched with him?

 

[Adachi]

Based on statements and feats from the games, yes.

You want to be switched with him?

Ah, okay. Factually, I definitely agree with most of your list, many characters have some excellent depth or theme to them that doesn't fail to disappoint, but if it were up to me...my 1-10 would just have Adachi on it. xDD

By the way, why Elizabeth second?

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Ah, okay. Factually, I definitely agree with most of your list, many characters have some excellent depth or theme to them that doesn't fail to disappoint, but if it were up to me...my 1-10 would just have Adachi on it. xDD

By the way, why Elizabeth second?

I see, makes sense

Elizabeth is the closest to Minato in terms of power, I think. Firstly, her magic is insanely powerful compared to the abilities/feats of others (the barriers in P4A were child's play to her, she can teleport people like in Ultimax, etc). She beat Erebus on her own (that already puts her above the entire P3 cast, barring Minato), she swept the floor with Yu and Aigis almost effortlessly, and ALL this before awakening the Fool arcana.

Tatsuya could give her a run for her money, but I think she'd be the victor with all things considered.

 

[Souji]

What if I told you... that this was the Top 10 list of the Persona universe?

(Excluding Philemon/Nyarlathotep, and "boss" power (ex. Kumeno-Saigiri isn't included as Marie's power)

1) Minato
2) Elizabeth
3) Tatsuya (not kidding)
4) Yu
5) Maki Sonomura (P1, not kidding)
6) Naoya Toudou (P1MC)
7) Adachi
8) Aegis
9) Margaret
10) Maya Amano (P2)

I'll elaborate on any of my placings, if needed.

(Btw, Tatsuya can stop time and resist universe-level reality warping, among other things)

Please, we all know Teddie is a multiverse buster :|

 

[Adachi]

I see, makes sense

Elizabeth is the closest to Minato in terms of power, I think. Firstly, her magic is insanely powerful compared to the abilities/feats of others (the barriers in P4A were child's play to her, she can teleport people like in Ultimax, etc). She beat Erebus on her own (that already puts her above the entire P3 cast, barring Minato), she swept the floor with Yu and Aigis almost effortlessly, and ALL this before awakening the Fool arcana.

Tatsuya could give her a run for her money, but I think she'd be the victor with all things considered.

Basically, she's OP as all hell? LOL. And has weird puns? xD

Please, we all know Teddie is a multiverse buster :|

Oh yes, I agree. U_U I like shadows.

 

[Ikutsuki]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm happy you answered so nicely, haha. As soon as Naoya and the others see this, they'll either begin to laugh at me, scold me, or demand proof. Probably all three xD

It's a good list. As long as Minato is number one I'm glad. xD I'm not even sure why, but I feel the need to seriously get into this.

The first person that comes to mind, though, is Igor. Igor is probably like Yoda. He looks and talks strange but he can mess you up badly. Hype wise, being a puppet of Philemon, he should possess at least some power. He is also the one who created Margaret, Theodore and Elizabeth, so that should say a lot.

Next up, Margaret. Canonically, she is constantly being put over Elizabeth throughout P3 and P4. Only end of Arena Elizabeth could be considered stronger than Margaret. Therefore, I believe Margaret deserves to be above at least Adachi, no matter how much I like the guy. She is definitely above Aigis.

I have to play 2 in order to not make any mistakes in those rankings, so I'll agree with the rest for now. I have finished Persona 1, and I must say that Naoya was VERY underwhelming. There was nothing to indicate he was stronger than anyone in his own team, let alone Margaret, Adachi and Aigis.

The Persona 3 cast should also be incredibly powerful. They are the most experienced confirmed-to-date Persona users in the series. They have even reached the level of not having to use Evokers or any other kind of medium like the cards in P4. You mentioned that Elizabeth is above all of them due to beating Erebus, although Erebus comes back in a weak state every year, and the P3 cast fought it with absolute power years before Arena even started. Elizabeth also had to go all-out against Aigis in Arena, as she said she fought with all her power against her.

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Persona users have strange abilities, and it's next to impossible to correctly rank them. Make a tier list, instead. xD I would love to see what kind of tiers you'd make. (GOAT level: Minato. U_U)

Edit: I can't believe how much I went into this. ._.

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

It's a good list. At long as Minato is number one I'm glad. xD I'm not even sure why, but I feel the need to seriously get into this.

The first person that comes to mind, though, is Igor. Igor is probably like Yoda. He looks and talks strange but he can mess you up badly. Hype wise, being a puppet of Philemon, he should possess at least some power. He is also the one who created Margaret, Theodore and Elizabeth, so that should say a lot.

Next up, Margaret. Canonically, she is constantly being put over Elizabeth throughout P3 and P4. Only end of Arena Elizabeth could be considered stronger than Margaret. Therefore, I believe Margaret deserves to be above at least Adachi. She is definitely above Aigis.

I have to play 2 in order to not make any mistakes in those rankings, so I'll agree with the rest for now. I have finished Persona 1, and I must say that Naoya was VERY underwhelming. There was nothing to indicate he was stronger than anyone in his own team, let alone Margaret, Adachi and Aigis.

The Persona 3 cast should also be incredibly powerful. They are the most experienced confirmed-to-date Persona users in the series. They have even reached the level of not having to use Evokers or any other kind of medium like the cards in P4. You mentioned that Elizabeth is above all of them due to beating Erebus, although Erebus comes back in a weak state every year, and the P3 cast fought it with absolute power years before Arena even started.

Persona users have strange abilities, and it's next to impossible to correctly rank them. Make a tier list, instead. xD I would love to see what kind of tiers you'd make. (GOAT level: Minato. U_U)

I can't believe how much I went into this. ._.

Of course he's #1. Even solely in terms of portrayal, his ultimita Persona is literally named "Messiah". That alone says a lot.

True that. I went by feats though, so since he's never an optional boss in the series or anything, and he never explicitly intervenes like Elizabeth does, I just left him out. But he's probably near Philly Cheese Steak and Nyarly in terms of power.

I actually didn't look into her placement as deeply as I should have, so you're probably right. I'd have to revisit her fight with Yu to see if she should be put above Adachi, but yeah she could probably go above Aegis.

About Elizabeth, that's an interesting statement. If she went all out against Aigis, and didn't against Yu, does that mean Aigis>Yu? :|

Ah, this is where the fun part comes in. When Eternal Punishment was remade on PSP, there was an extra scenario included, following what happens to Tatsuya after Innocent Sin. In it, Igor states that a Persona user's power is determined based on how long they can be in the collective unconsciousness for, and if they can even get there in the first place. He then goes on to say that Maki was the most powerful Persona-user to date because of that, which is an interesting statement, because the P1MC assisted her and was there with her during the time she was there. So going off that, I concluded that the P1/2 cast are stronger than 3/4, since they received their Personas directly from Philly in the unconsciousness, and some of them even went back later. You may be right about them be under Margaret, but I'm certain they're above Adachi and Aegis. I'll have to re-read the scenario translation to make sure I'm not remembering it wrong (I'll link you). But yeah Tatsuya does some haxxxx stuff in EP.

You're probably right, a tier list seems better
I'll have to do more research first though.

This is kind of fun, actually

 

[Ikutsuki]

I feel like we are overthinking things. Dx

Igor states that a Persona user's power is determined based on how long they can be in the collective unconsciousness for, and if they can even get there in the first place.

Really? Well, that's a retcon, then. A Persona users ability in P3 and P4 is determined/nurtured by the bonds they have. I agreed on the Persona 2 cast, especially Tatsuya, that guy is a beast. The P1 MC (I'm not saying Naoya anymore. Too weird xD) is simply pretty lacking.

Bold: Also, Minato is sealed within the Sea of Souls, which is linked to the collective unconsciousness. Are you tellling me Minato is growing in power even now that he is sealed? Oh, damn. Dat Minato.:vision:

About Elizabeth, that's an interesting statement. If she went all out against Aigis, and didn't against Yu, does that mean Aigis>Yu? :|

Aigis and Yu both possess the power of the Wild Card, but Aigis has both mechanical weapons to aid her in combat and has been a Persona user for a far longer period of time than Yu. So, who knows?

Arena isn't a good comparison anyway, because whoever wins is dependant on who you are playing as. Only some bits of dialogue is actually worth taking into account.

Even if she did not specifically say she went all-out against Yu, she did acknowledge that he had great power. She even went as far as saying he expertly wields the power of the Wild Card. Individual strength is not what matters, anyway. Elizabeth beat a Yu who fought alone. As soon as his friends showed up, Yu stood back up and gained power which surprised even Elizabeth, making her fall down, in fact.

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I actually didn't look into her placement as deeply as I should have, so you're probably right. I'd have to revisit her fight with Yu to see if she should be put above Adachi, but yeah she could probably go above Aegis.

Margaret never ''fought Yu''. She fought a team of Yu and 3 other people of choice. You can beat her alone, but gameplay wise the game makes you fight her in a team by default (In both Persona 3 and 4.) Elizabeth has to be fought alone in Persona 3, you can't fight her with a party, but Margaret fights a team even in P3 with Minato. You can grind and put effort into it to solo Margaret, sure, but once again by default you are supposed to fight her as a team.

You're probably right, a tier list seems better
I'll have to do more research first though.

This is kind of fun, actually

I can't wait to see which tiers you'll come up with. xD

 

[Centurybomber]

I did some researching about the Persona 5 teaser to see what it might be hinding and I found some things that might interest you guys. I just wanted to talk about this, but if you already know this, then my bad.

I'm not sure if you may know, but in the persona 5 trailer you can see rise I think in the screen spotted at the end of the teaser behind the flaming object.

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Also the protagonist's school uniform looks like the uniform for a fairly strict school from the military motifs see on its design which could also play into the themes that Hashino has revealed the game concerns.

"The characters…are out to destroy that which suffocates people in today's society… I want players to come away from this game feeling they have the power to take on the world around them. - Katsura Hashino on Persona 5

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Overall the design of the character in my opinion helps to increase the assumption of his introspective nature.

Also if look to the very far right screen which was shown in the trailer.We see three quick cut-ins that look eerily like cut-in shown in battle when a party member scores a critical hit. These might be a hint towards characters in the game maybe?

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If you zoom in, we can see text on the protagonists uniform. I think it says "Shujin High School". If you don't know "Shujin" means prisoner in Japanese and this would certainly fit given the imagery we've seen so far of the game with the chains and such.

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When the protagonist stop in the midst of the crowd looking rather confused and it appears that time has stopped for everyone except for the him and for a split second, we see something easy to miss but potentially quite notable. A girl in a scrunchy walks by very quickly across the frame. However, we can see she's a lot more detailed than the rest of the people in the frame. If we compare her face to the girls on the train car if you guys remeber, and we can easily see scrunchy girl's face is much more detailed. In addition she's consistent with series character designer Shigenori Soejima's design style, which makes me think that she's mostly likely a character in the game and a likely party member.

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If see the other peoples faces in the trailer, they seem to be less detailed, and possess no distinctive features? Soejima likes to create characters with distinctive features such as Yukiko's hairband or Yosuke's headphones and such, and the scrunchy girl is consistent with this kind trend.

and I'm done.....,but man that took long, but I have finally finished.
If you guys already know this stuff then my bad.

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

I'll reply to both of you as soon as I get on my computer, typing is a pain on my phone -.-

Good post though, Century. I only knew about the cut-out part that shows potential party members.

 

[Centurybomber]

I forgot to mention that the teaser showed advertisements on the train and I noticed that one of the ads mention something.
"A popular personality has been suspected of tax evasion. Accused of hiding several million yen in income."
"An uproar broke out over an affair with the innocent schoolgirl idol. Officials involved in the matter are staying quite about the identity of her lover."
That'd be too funny if that were about the future of Rise or Kanamin, but I'm not too sure. XD

Also If you saw the teaser where the protagonist was walking in the middle of the big city, notice that mostly everyone is on their cellphone. This makes me think that cellphone communication and texting will be a big part of the game, which would be a potentially exciting new part of building social links. It would be kind of similar to the game "Catherine" which was also made by Atlus where in some parts of the game had you text your girlfriend.

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Also right at the beginning there's this ad for "next P.A.D" which might be relevant due to how everyone is on their phones.

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By the way the connected S logo on the school's emblem is kind of designed as a chain, reinforcing the prisoner motif from what I said earlier from my other post.

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

I agreed on the Persona 2 cast, especially Tatsuya, that guy is a beast.

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About the retcon, here's where it gets tricky. The scenario was written for the remake, so it was written post-P4 and is technically more updated (therefore retconning what was said about bonds). But, it was written by the P2 director, who is different from the P3/4 director...

*brain explodes*

Geez, this is more confusing than I thought. Oh well.

Regarding your findings, Century:

Impressive analysis, I couldn't have done better myself. There's clearly a lot of slavery symbolism in the uniform design, as you pointed out.

Interesting point about the chick with the scrunchie, you may be right.

About Rise/Kanamin, etc... after playing Ultimax, I'm hoping that there's little to no P3/4 involvement at all in P5

 

[Centurybomber]

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About the retcon, here's where it gets tricky. The scenario was written for the remake, so it was written post-P4 and is technically more updated (therefore retconning what was said about bonds). But, it was written by the P2 director, who is different from the P3/4 director...

*brain explodes*

Geez, this is more confusing than I thought. Oh well.

Regarding your findings, Century:

Impressive analysis, I couldn't have done better myself. There's clearly a lot of slavery symbolism in the uniform design, as you pointed out.

Interesting point about the chick with the scrunchie, you may be right.

About Rise/Kanamin, etc... after playing Ultimax, I'm hoping that there's little to no P3/4 involvement at all in P5

Nevertheless, I would not object to these two as a shared social link. U_U

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[Souji]

Scrunchy girl looks like an older Nanako.

Oh, if only :T_T: