Smh people still think sharingan derived from rinnegan?

[NarutoX28]

Rinnegan is generally superior to the Mangekyo because the Rinnegan is comprised of both Yin + Yang whereas the Sharingan is only composed of Yin. Though, still, it depends on the user. Madara's PS was hinted to be superior to what he could do with the Rinnegan multiple times. He considered it to be his strongest technique and one that he hyped up to be something that kills every person that witnesses it.

 

[LoZelda101]

Limbo was easily knocking around bijuu's and can't be seen by sharingan users, it's going to be doing more than just stalling. Ameno won't work because you say it won't? U_UU_U Madara got pulled from a Susanoo so it's not like they are physically linked. Yeah but tank shinra tensei for how long? And you're assuming a rinnegan user would sitting there if ST was not effective.

S/T can only swap with self sustained techniques like rasengan, susanoo isn't one of them. if he swapped the susanoo user he takes the susanoo with him not without. also isn't PS the same one that slice through multiple mountains and giant rinnegan meteors? whose to say it couldn't push through shinra tensei like kyuubi did? idk whatever.

Rinnegan is generally superior to the Mangekyo because the Rinnegan is comprised of both Yin + Yang whereas the Sharingan is only composed of Yin. Though, still, it depends on the user. Madara's PS was hinted to be superior to what he could do with the Rinnegan multiple times. He considered it to be his strongest technique and one that he hyped up to be something that kills every person that witnesses it.

so potent chakra > techniques in terms of value?

 

[SenseiSama]

S/T can only swap with self sustained techniques like rasengan, susanoo isn't one of them. also isn't PS the same one that slice through multiple mountains and giant rinnegan meteors? whose to say it couldn't push through shinra tensei? idk whatever.


so potent chakra > techniques in terms of value?

Rinnegan have more potent chakra and more chakra reserves in general, Indra + Ashura > Indra so logically Rinnegan users > MS users

 

[SenseiSama]

Lol, this is one of the stupiest things I've read this month. And I've read a lot.

Read the manga, Six Path Senjutsu is the Juubi's chakra hence why RSM users and JuubiJins can use TSB. And Ashura had a BM avatar which is more proof he had Juubi chakra because Juubi chakra = bijuu chakra.

 

[LoZelda101]

Rinnegan have more potent chakra and more chakra reserves in general, Indra + Ashura > Indra so logically Rinnegan users > MS users

So rinnegan madara > DMS obito and indra?

 

[SenseiSama]

So rinnegan madara > DMS obito and indra?

Definitely > DMS Obito because Limbo can't be seen, Ashura's healing makes him immune to fatal wounds, and many people seem to forget Madara's sensing feats can dodge FTG so he would know when Kamui is being used.

But the confusing part is Indra's power, Indra is directly related to the Sage so his power should be way beyond what EMS users have been shown capable of.

I think his feats were basically the Sharingan feats Sasuke used in VoTE 2 (Indra's arrow, flying PS, etc.) because that fight was meant to represent the fight between him and Ashura who had the same RSM as Naruto

And I also have a theory that he may have possessed Yata and Totsuka because those weapons were designed to be used by Susanoo and the only one capable of making spirit weapons is someone with the Sage's spiritual energy. And for all we know he may have had more than 2 MS abilities because all Uchiha feats come from his DNA.

Imo, Rinnegan > Sharingan but Indra's Sharingan > Madara's Rinnegan while Hagoromo's Rinnegan > Indra's Sharingan

 

[NarutoX28]

so potent chakra > techniques in terms of value?

If you're asking if having Potent Chakra is more valuable than Techniques than yes. In Madara's case though, he had a large portion of Indra's Chakra for Sharingan Users compared to the amount of Rikudou Chakra he had for Rinnegan users which is why his PS is superior to every Rinnegan technique he could use.

So basically, he had lots of Indra's Chakra, but a small amount of Rikudou's Chakra.

 

[SenseiSama]

If you're asking if having Potent Chakra is more valuable than Techniques than yes. In Madara's case though, he had a large portion of Indra's Chakra for Sharingan Users compared to the amount of Rikudou Chakra he had for Rinnegan users which is why his PS is superior to every Rinnegan technique he could use.

So basically, he had lots of Indra's Chakra, but a small amount of Rikudou's Chakra.

He lost Indra's chakra when he combined it with Ashura's though. But imo the potency of Indra's Rikudou chakra was on a different level compared to Madara's because his genes come directly from the Sage as opposed to Madara's which are severely diluted.

Normally Indra's chakra potency should be the equivalent of Hagoromo's original chakra, and the markings on his eyes suggest his chakra also contained as much Senjutsu chakra as SM users. So logically his Sharingan should have been as strong as Rinnegan Sasuke's.

 

[konoha Sev7n]

Rinnegan 101.

Origin aspect from the Sharin Rinnegan

Two halves make an whole, Indra's half Yin & Asura's Half Yang = Papa Hagoromo whole Yin-Yang Chakra = Rinnegan. noticing that Indras + Asura are Hagoromo own divided Chakra.

one of the two must kick the bucket for one to awaken the rinnegan using the combine yin-yang charka into one complete. e.g... Madara waken this rinnegan due to Hashirama has kick the bucket as this charka was activated the spark to move on, in doing so it allow madara to get this complete rinnegan.


Sasuke got this rinnegan from Hagoromo who in return just gave sasuke another dose of Yin that is pretty much doubling on this Charka that he had as Indra's Transmigrant that was originally Hagamoro charka an was given one rinnegan due to choosing this left hand.

side.

Byakugan can mutated into any of the three eye - triangle - "bottom left Hyuuga - right Uchiha an top Otsutsuki"

Sharingan - power to control others by overwriting there free will
Rinnegan - creation or destruction control
Tenseigan - Rebirth, both "reincarnation" and "resurrection" Control..pretty much what Indra an Asura is transmigrating through time..

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Rinnegan Power Scale

Hagoromo - Original an stole Mastery -
Momoshiki - Tainted Version of the Original Rinnegan, that is more leading to destructive power being "Red" then balance Creation & Destruction "Purple".
Madara - Closest to the Original Power that Rinnegan possess.
Sasuke - Derived Version of the Original but more like the Sharingan in the way of abilities then solely Rinnegan but similar to Rinne Sharingan aspect.

 

[LoZelda101]

Definitely > DMS Obito because Limbo can't be seen, Ashura's healing makes him immune to fatal wounds, and many people seem to forget Madara's sensing feats can dodge FTG so he would know when Kamui is being used.

But the confusing part is Indra's power, Indra is directly related to the Sage so his power should be way beyond what EMS users have been shown capable of.

I think his feats were basically the Sharingan feats Sasuke used in VoTE 2 (Indra's arrow, flying PS, etc.) because that fight was meant to represent the fight between him and Ashura who had the same RSM as Naruto

And I also have a theory that he may have possessed Yata and Totsuka because those weapons were designed to be used by Susanoo and the only one capable of making spirit weapons is someone with the Sage's spiritual energy. And for all we know he may have had more than 2 MS abilities because all Uchiha feats come from his DNA.

Imo, Rinnegan > Sharingan but Indra's Sharingan > Madara's Rinnegan while Hagoromo's Rinnegan > Indra's Sharingan

If you're asking if having Potent Chakra is more valuable than Techniques than yes. In Madara's case though, he had a large portion of Indra's Chakra for Sharingan Users compared to the amount of Rikudou Chakra he had for Rinnegan users which is why his PS is superior to every Rinnegan technique he could use.

So basically, he had lots of Indra's Chakra, but a small amount of Rikudou's Chakra.

hmm, so what is this in regards to lesser ninjas, like itachi and minato? shouldn't itachi have the advantage because of his chakra and bloodline?

 

[SenseiSama]

hmm, so what is this in regards to lesser ninjas, like itachi and minato? shouldn't itachi have the advantage because of his chakra and bloodline?

Bloodline =/= feats. i.e : you can have a Sharingan but it's useless if you're unable to dodge fast movement, we saw how Minato owned Obito even though he had no intel and Obito had Senju cells

The bloodline example is used when we're talking about people with the same powers, like if two MS users are able to use Susano'o the one with the stronger chakra will have the stronger avatar.

Or an Uchiha will use a Sharingan better than a non-Uchiha because the dojutsu is meant for people with Uchiha bloodline, likewise a transmigrant will use Rinnegan better than non-transmigrant because their chakra and bloodline is closer to Indra's.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Not the biggest Sharingan fan, but yeah It is different

Madara just awakened the power so called Rinnegan after acquiring Ashura's essence. Not necessarily his sharingan evolving

 

[Floydical]

Rinne sharingan had the power of both sharingan and rinnegan. Sharingan did not derive from rinnegan it already existed as component of rinnesharingan. So It is not a downgraded version but it's own unique features.

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From what I gather, yes the Sharingan was simply a portion of the Sharinnegan power afforded to one of her offspring. Why this Sharingan evolved to Rinnegan with no tomoe isn't too blatantly obvious but one can assume it was more of a mutation of the eye than anything, meaning Kakashi was right about that idea.

The real problem is the difference between Kaguya and Madara's Sharinnegan and Sasuke's tomoe Rinnegan. From what we've seen, the sharinnegan does nothing but cast IT. Sasuke's tomoe Rinnegan only allows him to trade places with another object. In reality, those are both kind of lame considering the massive capabilities of normal Rinnegan, including the use of Limbo clones. Why was Sasuke's tomoe Rinngan purple when the sharinnegan is red? Its all a bit sketchy.

Nah, Sharingan and Rinnegan are two separate KKG, Rinnegan can't learn jutsu from another eye

They are the same eye, but one is a more powerful mutated version of the other. The Rinnegan DOES have an upgraded version of the Sharingan's copying technique, that being gaining an affinity for all elements. A sharingan can copy jutsu, but only single elements that are within the user's affinity. The Rinnegan allows a user to learn ANY jutsu from ANY affinity. I say that's a superior version of the same concept.

The major thing to realize about this is Oro's plan. He wanted the sharingan mainly to learn new jutsu, as that was his ultimate goal. Yet, after the war, we learned Oro's true ultimate goal was to unlock Rinnegan from sharingan, which would have secured his chance to learn every jutsu in the world. He'd still be limited by elemental KKG, but without a doubt having Rinnegan would achieve his goal and that all-affinity capability is the ultimate form of the Sharingan copy ability.

 

[LoZelda101]

From what I gather, yes the Sharingan was simply a portion of the Sharinnegan power afforded to one of her offspring. Why this Sharingan evolved to Rinnegan with no tomoe isn't too blatantly obvious but one can assume it was more of a mutation of the eye than anything, meaning Kakashi was right about that idea.

The real problem is the difference between Kaguya and Madara's Sharinnegan and Sasuke's tomoe Rinnegan. From what we've seen, the sharinnegan does nothing but cast IT. Sasuke's tomoe Rinnegan only allows him to trade places with another object. In reality, those are both kind of lame considering the massive capabilities of normal Rinnegan, including the use of Limbo clones. Why was Sasuke's tomoe Rinngan purple when the sharinnegan is red? Its all a bit sketchy.



They are the same eye, but one is a more powerful mutated version of the other. The Rinnegan DOES have an upgraded version of the Sharingan's copying technique, that being gaining an affinity for all elements. A sharingan can copy jutsu, but only single elements that are within the user's affinity. The Rinnegan allows a user to learn ANY jutsu from ANY affinity. I say that's a superior version of the same concept.

The major thing to realize about this is Oro's plan. He wanted the sharingan mainly to learn new jutsu, as that was his ultimate goal. Yet, after the war, we learned Oro's true ultimate goal was to unlock Rinnegan from sharingan, which would have secured his chance to learn every jutsu in the world. He'd still be limited by elemental KKG, but without a doubt having Rinnegan would achieve his goal and that all-affinity capability is the ultimate form of the Sharingan copy ability.

Tomoes just mean he can cast MS techs that's all. The reason rinnesharingan is red is because sharingan or genjutsu i should say is dominate or permanent which is probably where the IT feat come from. The only issue with this theory is the victims eyes reflect rinnegan not sharingan which makes no sense. In both theory and fact.

Edit: deleted the rest. 4got rinnegan by default has rikudou chakra

 

[SatanicGod]

Ijs Hagoromo Sharingan evolved into Rinnegan upon giving Hamura a death blow

 

[mishoa]

From what we've seen, the sharinnegan does nothing but cast IT.

Kaguya gets space time ninjutsu with hers (Amenominaka) so it can do more than IT

 

[Floydical]

Tomoes just mean he can cast MS techs that's all. The reason rinnesharingan is red is because sharingan or genjutsu i should say is dominate or permanent which is probably where the IT feat come from. The only issue with this theory is the victims eyes reflect rinnegan not sharingan which makes no sense. In both theory and fact.

Edit: deleted the rest. 4got rinnegan by default has rikudou chakra

Great catch. The fact that the eyes reflect the normal Rinnegan makes no sense at all, except the fact that Madara had Rinnegan when he cast it. If Kaguya's Sharinnegan reflects the normal Rinnegan, than its a true problem.

Kaguya gets space time ninjutsu with hers (Amenominaka) so it can do more than IT

I suppose we can assume her space time/ dimension teleportation is a result of her Sharinnegan, but certainly not all her jutsu. Some must have been available to her prior to that upgrade. Her bone and hair techniques for instance, they might have been enhanced by her new chakra, but she likely had access to them before that. However, Madara didn't seem to have any additional jutsu or at least didn't know about them. Its kind of like how Nagato could only use 6 paths, but Madara with his greater knowledge, had access to Limbo clones.