SM Naruto or Karin (the better sensor).

[The Demon Hawk]

Battle sensing is near useless to a character if he/she doesn't have the body strength to react to their sensing awareness.

Exactly. I agree 100%. I never said otherwise. In fact, that's what I'm saying.

Rock Lee made this point with pre-cog sharingan and slow speed in part 1. Which goes right back to my point, she is inferior overall in that category,

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. And I was thinking of providing the same example. Karin being unable to dodge Danzo's hit does not prove her battle sensing is inferior. It just proves her battle capability is inferior. Just like how Sasuke being unable to dodge Rock Lee's hit does not prove his Sharingan is inferior to Kakashi. It just proves that his body capability is inferior.

You're basically objecting to your own point and owning yourself. :lol

there are no scans to that says otherwise, forget the fact that she has shown zero battle sensing feats.

I'm not saying Karin's battle sensing is superior. It's inferior and the manga clearly shows that her sensing is quite slow, so that's definitely inferior in battle. I'm just saying that the example you're using to prove your point and your overall standpoint is shit and illogical AF.

Only search, location and clever analysis. While Karin can sense certain things just as good while in range, SM overall is superior, Naruto sensing the war on multiple battlefronts from a barricade cut off from the world in the middle of the sea is all the proof.

Agree with this as well. Never said otherwise.

 

[To Whatever]

Exactly. I agree 100%. I never said otherwise. In fact, that's what I'm saying.



That's exactly what I'm trying to say. And I was thinking of providing the same example. Karin being unable to dodge Danzo's hit does not prove her battle sensing is inferior. It just proves her battle capability is inferior. Just like how Sasuke being unable to dodge Rock Lee's hit does not prove his Sharingan is inferior to Kakashi. It just proves that his body capability is inferior.

You're basically objecting to your own point and owning yourself. :lol



I'm not saying Karin's battle sensing is superior. It's inferior and the manga clearly shows that her sensing is quite slow, so that's definitely inferior in battle. I'm just saying that the example you're using to prove your point and your overall standpoint is shit and illogical AF.



Agree with this as well. Never said otherwise.

Kakashi had 3t and MS.

Sasuke at the time had 2t....

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Kakashi had 3t and MS.

Sasuke at the time had 2t....

Let's suppose Kakashi had 2T at that time. Would he get owned by Lee? Obviously not while Sasuke did. That's exactly my point.

 

[King of the Heavens]

I was saying that AFTER you mentioned that her range was 1000 km and BEFORE you corrected it to 10 km. Not now, sir.



This statement goes more for you than it does for me. But I guess you're too arrogant to accept that you were wrong.



This again shows how you heavily misinterpret my posts. I never said that Karin's range is 1000 km after you mentioned it was 10 km and showed the DB entry. I said that before. In the previous post, I was only highlighting your BS about how you tried to prove 1000 km less than a country and Naruto's range to be greater than 1000 km without any basis, earlier in our argument.



Me? And no, you don't need to recount anything. All you need to do is to know what you're talking about while making an argument. The rest will be alright on itself.

And didn't I already mention that my argument would be totally different if you corrected yourself earlier? But yet, instead of realizing your mistake, you're again reversing everything back on me. Pathetic!



SM Naruto is superior to Karin overall, not in each and every thing. And Naruto is only superior to Karin in battle oriented sensing, not the overall sensing capabilities. Outside of a battle, excluding the range, Karin is a far better sensor. So no, Naruto is not superior in everything.



Again, this doesn't prove that Karin's sensing skills are inferior. It only proves that Karin's dodging capabilities, speed, reflexes and her battle skills are inferior.

And where is your proof show scan's cause i'm not going to take your word for it.

 

[deadp00l]

Karin's sensing during battle

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[To Whatever]

Let's suppose Kakashi had 2T at that time. Would he get owned by Lee? Obviously not while Sasuke did. That's exactly my point.

How are you going to use made up scenarios to prove a point...

 

[LightSo6p]

Sensing lies? Where the feats at?

And he began sensing emotions at kcm.

He sense emotions before vote1 so your wrong

 

[The Demon Hawk]

And where is your proof show scan's cause i'm not going to take your word for it.

Proof for what?

How are you going to use made up scenarios to prove a point...

Because 2T Sharingan could perfectly track Lee's movements, AND Sasuke and Kakashi's Sharingan would be the same. Yet only Kakashi could dodge Lee's movements, not Sasuke. Reason is evident.

 

[To Whatever]

Proof for what?



Because 2T Sharingan could perfectly track Lee's movements, AND Sasuke and Kakashi's Sharingan would be the same. Yet only Kakashi could dodge Lee's movements, not Sasuke. Reason is evident.

Kakashi has one eyeball with sharingan. Sasuke has two.

 

[King of the Heavens]

Proof for what?



Because 2T Sharingan could perfectly track Lee's movements, AND Sasuke and Kakashi's Sharingan would be the same. Yet only Kakashi could dodge Lee's movements, not Sasuke. Reason is evident.

You say she's a better sensor than Naruto, where's your proof

 

[Remedy]

Exactly. I agree 100%. I never said otherwise. In fact, that's what I'm saying.

Good, my point overall is that her sensing while in battle are nonexistent. So to say she can sense hits being thrown at her with no scans to support it is a contingent claim.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. And I was thinking of providing the same example. Karin being unable to dodge Danzo's hit does not prove her battle sensing is inferior. It just proves her battle capability is inferior. Just like how Sasuke being unable to dodge Rock Lee's hit does not prove his Sharingan is inferior to Kakashi. It just proves that his body capability is inferior.

You're basically objecting to your own point and owning yourself. :lol

Sasuke's sharingan was inferior at the time, but that's not the point.This would be an argument If Sasuke showed pre-cog feats while Kakashi didn't. Karin has been shown to not dodge or avoid multiple things being thrown at her, being kicked, stabbed on 2 occasions, and even avoid 20ft bear, all things she has been shown not to sense coming at her. So sir, I'm not owning myself just breaking down your argument.

I'm not saying Karin's battle sensing is superior. It's inferior and the manga clearly shows that her sensing is quite slow, so that's definitely inferior in battle. I'm just saying that the example you're using to prove your point and your overall standpoint is shit and illogical AF.



Agree with this as well. Never said otherwise.

Discussion over, glad you agree.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Good, my point overall is that her sensing while in battle are nonexistent. So to say she can sense hits being thrown at her with no scans to support it is a contingent claim.

Yes, actually, her battle sensing and physical capabilities are both inferior. I know that. But your reasoning was illogical i.e. Karin couldn't dodge Danzo's hit so her sensing is inferior. So I objected to your reasoning, not your claim.

Sasuke's sharingan was inferior at the time, but that's not the point.This would be an argument If Sasuke showed pre-cog feats while Kakashi didn't. Karin has been shown to not dodge or avoid multiple things being thrown at her, being kicked, stabbed on 2 occasions, and even avoid 20ft bear, all things she has been shown not to sense coming at her. So sir, I'm not owning myself just breaking down your argument.

Let's just suppose that Kakashi had 2T Sharingan like Sasuke. Now?

Discussion over, glad you agree.

Never disagreed in the first place.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Kakashi has one eyeball with sharingan. Sasuke has two.

Irrelevant.

You say she's a better sensor than Naruto, where's your proof

I didn't say Karin is a better sensor than SM Naruto. They're both better than each other in their respective areas.

Naruto is the superior sensor when it comes to battle oriented sensing abilities.
- faster (almost instant) sensing
- longer range

Outside of a battle, Karin is the superior sensor.
- no need to be in a battle specific mode for sensing like Naruto (which means sensing is activated unconsciously and at all times)
- no need to mold chakra while Naruto needs to gather Senjutsu chakra
- can sense lying and dishonesty unlike Naruto
- can sense emotions unlike Naruto
- can detect whether herself or someone is under genjutsu unlike Naruto
- can recognize and differentiate between species unlike Naruto
- can predict the gender by chakra unlike Naruto
- can recognize the clan by chakra signature unlike Naruto
- extinguish her chakra unlike Naruto
- can distinguish between clones unlike Naruto

 

[King of the Heavens]

Irrelevant.



I didn't say Karin is a better sensor than SM Naruto. They're both better than each other in their respective areas.

Naruto is the superior sensor when it comes to battle oriented sensing abilities.
- faster (almost instant) sensing
- longer range

Outside of a battle, Karin is the superior sensor.
- no need to be in a battle specific mode for sensing like Naruto (which means sensing is activated unconsciously and at all times)
- no need to mold chakra while Naruto needs to gather Senjutsu chakra
- can sense lying and dishonesty unlike Naruto
- can sense emotions unlike Naruto
- can detect whether herself or someone is under genjutsu unlike Naruto
- can recognize and differentiate between species unlike Naruto
- can predict the gender by chakra unlike Naruto
- can recognize the clan by chakra signature unlike Naruto
- extinguish her chakra unlike Naruto
- can distinguish between clones unlike Naruto

I'm not saying Karin's battle sensing is superior. It's inferior and the manga clearly shows that her sensing is quite slow, so that's definitely inferior in battle. I'm just saying that the example you're using to prove your point and your overall standpoint is shit and illogical AF.

Agree with this as well. Never said otherwise.

You just said this =D

 

[To Whatever]

Irrelevant.

No it isn't.

two eyes are better than one.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

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[The Demon Hawk]

I'm not saying Karin's battle sensing is superior. It's inferior and the manga clearly shows that her sensing is quite slow, so that's definitely inferior in battle. I'm just saying that the example you're using to prove your point and your overall standpoint is shit and illogical AF.

Agree with this as well. Never said otherwise.

You just said this =D

Exactly. Karin's battle sensing is inferior. As well as her range. Everything else is superior.

No it isn't.

two eyes are better than one.

Are you trolling?

 

[Warlocks]

Irrelevant.



I didn't say Karin is a better sensor than SM Naruto. They're both better than each other in their respective areas.

Naruto is the superior sensor when it comes to battle oriented sensing abilities.
- faster (almost instant) sensing
- longer range

Outside of a battle, Karin is the superior sensor.
- no need to be in a battle specific mode for sensing like Naruto (which means sensing is activated unconsciously and at all times)
- no need to mold chakra while Naruto needs to gather Senjutsu chakra
- can sense lying and dishonesty unlike Naruto
- can sense emotions unlike Naruto
- can detect whether herself or someone is under genjutsu unlike Naruto
- can recognize and differentiate between species unlike Naruto
- can predict the gender by chakra unlike Naruto
- can recognize the clan by chakra signature unlike Naruto
- extinguish her chakra unlike Naruto
- can distinguish between clones unlike Naruto

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that say you are wrong at many place

 

[The Demon Hawk]

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that say you are wrong at many place

No it doesn't.

 

[Dantee]

If this is SM NAruto and not RSM NAruto then Karin is clearly better