SM Naruto or Karin (the better sensor).

[Remedy]

That doesn't mean her sensing is inferior. SMH.

That's exactly what it means, she is inferior in combat sensing. Her specialty is heal, find and location. Not dodging hits.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

That's exactly what it means, she is inferior in combat sensing. Her specialty is heal, find and location. Not dodging hits.

While what you're saying is true, your reasoning is BS and you're basically assuming stuff. Just because her speciality is finding location doesn't automatically mean her battle sensing becomes inferior.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's irrelevant unless the distance is EXTREMELY big. And both Naruto and Karin can sense massive distances away, anything that's far enough for an actual battle. So that kinda becomes a non-factor.



Example?



Her maximum would be around the same as Naruto's. 1000 km already is like a distance of a country and that's her minimum.

A scan has been posted for the example.

Bold is baseless, and underlined is false. It turns out her range is only 10km. :lol Not to mention 1000km isn't the distance of a country.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

A scan has been posted for the example.

Bold is baseless, and underlined is false. It turns out her range is only 10km. :lol Not to mention 1000km isn't the distance of a country.

@bold Then what is the size of a country?

@underlined Saying Karin's range is inferior to Naruto is equally as baseless.

And I'll look up the scan.

 

[KidGamer65]

@bold Then what is the size of a country?

@underlined Saying Karin's range is inferior to Naruto is equally as baseless.

And I'll look up the scan.

Not sure, but it's not

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Even if we are talking about the countries in NV.

Karin's range hasn't displayed itself to be superior to Naruto's nor has anything implied it is. So no, you don't even have a point to make here. :lol What you are attempting to do is like me stating that Itachi's Katon is inferior to Fugaku's because nothing proves that it isn't.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Naruto

●Sensory Perception

(Normal/Base Sage Mode)

>After mastering Sage Mode, Naruto can detect and identify other chakra signatures from vast distances. With this skill, he can better react against high-speed opponents like the Third Raikage, being able to dodge his attack and effectively counter.

(Kurama influence)

>He also gained the ability to sense negative emotions after taking control of Kurama's chakra. Naruto can also use both of these abilities simultaneously through his senjutsu-enhanced Tailed Beast Mode and the Six Paths Sage Mode respectively.

(With Six Path power)

>Upon achieving the latter, Naruto's sensory capabilities were empowered to the highest possible level, making it possible for him to sense the other half of Hagoromo's chakra, as well as Madara's Limbo: Border Jail.

---

Karin

●Sensory Perception

>Karin possesses a unique ability called the Mind's Eye of the Kagura, which allows her to sense any targets' chakra signature. Sasuke states that her sensory abilities are unlike any other. Unlike most sensors, who normally require to mould their chakra first, Karin appears able to detect chakra targets without any conscious effort. Using this ability, Karin can detect the presence of others, easily discern how many and if a specific individual, even its species, is present from great distance, letting her easily track the target. She can determine the size of a target's chakra reserve and potency, and even tell when someone was lying through the dishonest emotions causing chakra fluctuations. Karin can also tell if someone is a clone technique or trapped in genjutsu, including herself. Similarly, she can conceal her own chakra from others. However, she cannot use her chakra for other feats while doing so, thereby negating her own sensing.

Mind's eye of Kagura

>By focusing and opening the mind's eye, Karin is able to find and track an individual's chakra over a vast distance that exceeds ten kilometres. By further focusing her chakra, she can extend this range to far greater distances.This ability also gives her the capability to perceive fluctuations in a person's chakra made when a person is lying or if someone, including herself, is under a genjutsu. Also, by focusing on a particular chakra, she can perceive her targert's movements and surrounding area with great detail. These sensory capabilities bless Karin with abilities that even surpass dōjutsu with comparable powers.

---

The conclusion than can be draw here is Karin sensory capability is on another level compare to Base SM Naruto.

But in battle SM Naruto sensory capability is shown to be superior. Its bcus Karin while doing the tracking or sensing activity she couldnt using any other jutsu. For me Karin is good for being a helper or side kick.

The same problem never experienced by SM Naruto.

For distance traking/sensing, so far Naruto have an edge over Karin

 

[King of the Heavens]

Sage Mode = Senjustu = Natural Energy = Juubi = The Whole Planet.

Karin's Sensory = Karin's Chakra

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Not sure, but it's not

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Now do you want me to show you several countries that come under the range of 1000 km? You just chose USA to prove your point (one of the most humongous countries with some large states equaling the size of a small country) which is totally biased. There are many countries that are smaller than a single big US state like California. And the map depiction you showed clearly shows that 1000 km radius spans multiple states which means that 1000 km is safely a size of a country at least the size of California or Texas (the biggest US states which rival some countries in size).

Even if we are talking about the countries in NV.

Baseless... buddy. BTW, 1000 km of range is HUGE, so it can more probably be considered to be a size of a country. And NV countries aren't really big considering that many shinobi can go from country to country on foot. IMO, 1000 km is easily the size of a country or larger.

Karin's range hasn't displayed itself to be superior to Naruto's nor has anything implied it is. So no, you don't even have a point to make here. :lol

So have you no point to make here since Karin's range also hasn't displayed itself to be inferior. You're also baselessly calling Naruto's range superior without knowing Karin's maximum range. We both can and are only making assumptions. And considering that figure of "1000", it's safer to say Karin's range is the size of a country if not larger.

What you are attempting to do is like me stating that Itachi's Katon is inferior to Fugaku's because nothing proves that it isn't.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

Sage Mode = Senjustu = Natural Energy = Juubi = The Whole Planet.

Karin's Sensory = Karin's Chakra

This establishes nothing and the reasoning is total crap. Because you Naruto fans solely consider quantity and apparent caliber of the overall power (and in that process, totally ignore the precise and minor details) is why your standpoint and arguments are highly fallacious.

Sage Mode is a supercharged state which increases power on top of a few additional abilities. Just because it is linked to Juubi doesn't make its sensing capabilities superior. We aren't talking about Naruto vs Karin in power, just the sensing aspect.

 

[King of the Heavens]

Now do you want me to show you several countries that come under the range of 1000 km? You just chose USA to prove your point (one of the most humongous countries with some large states equaling the size of a small country) which is totally biased. There are many countries that are smaller than a single big US state like California. And the map depiction you showed clearly shows that 1000 km radius spans multiple states which means that 1000 km is safely a size of a country at least the size of California or Texas (the biggest US states which rival some countries in size).



Baseless... buddy. BTW, 1000 km of range is HUGE, so it can more probably be considered to be a size of a country. And NV countries aren't really big considering that many shinobi can go from country to country on foot. IMO, 1000 km is easily the size of a country or larger.



So have you no point to make here since Karin's range also hasn't displayed itself to be inferior. You're also baselessly calling Naruto's range superior without knowing Karin's maximum range. We both can and are only making assumptions. And considering that figure of "1000", it's safer to say Karin's range is the size of a country if not larger.



Aren't you doing the same thing?



This establishes nothing and the reasoning is total crap. Because you Naruto fans solely consider quantity and apparent caliber of the overall power (and in that process, totally ignore the precise and minor details) is why your standpoint and arguments are highly fallacious.

Sage Mode is a supercharged state which increases power on top of a few additional abilities. Just because it is linked to Juubi doesn't make its sensing capabilities superior. We aren't talking about Naruto vs Karin in power, just the sensing aspect.

Naruto is superior then karin in everything your just the one denying it.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Naruto is superior then karin in everything your just the one denying it.

There is a reason his real name is "The Denial Hawk".

 

[King of the Heavens]

There is a reason his real name is "The Denial Hawk".

That's True

 

[KidGamer65]

Now do you want me to show you several countries that come under the range of 1000 km? You just chose USA to prove your point (one of the most humongous countries with some large states equaling the size of a small country) which is totally biased. There are many countries that are smaller than a single big US state like California. And the map depiction you showed clearly shows that 1000 km radius spans multiple states which means that 1000 km is safely a size of a country at least the size of California or Texas (the biggest US states which rival some countries in size).



Baseless... buddy. BTW, 1000 km of range is HUGE, so it can more probably be considered to be a size of a country. And NV countries aren't really big considering that many shinobi can go from country to country on foot. IMO, 1000 km is easily the size of a country or larger.

Then I'll wait for you to show that any Naruto country or the distance between Turtle Island and the War location was equal to the radius of Karin's sensing. I'll also wait for you to prove the bold. Using superhuman Ninja traveling for extended periods of time across countries doesn't give you the evidence you need to claim they are small. Is the world small because Superman can fly around it over 5 times in a few seconds? Nah.

And I'll also wait for you to prove that Karin's range is 1000km, because it's 10km. Not 1000. Funny how I've yet to actually see proof from you that it is. Wiki (sourced DB or Manga, cba to look right now) says it's minimum is 10km, while DB says that she can see for several dozen kilometers. That's over 36km. 1000km isn't several dozen. Several isn't almost 10 times. Several is more than 2, but not many.

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So have you no point to make here since Karin's range also hasn't displayed itself to be inferior. You're also baselessly calling Naruto's range superior without knowing Karin's maximum range. We both can and are only making assumptions. And considering that figure of "1000", it's safer to say Karin's range is the size of a country if not larger.

Been addressed too many times.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

No. Karin's jutsu lacks the feats for you to make this claim. I don't know how I can dumb this down any further, but do me a favor and stop with the bad logic. You literally have no point here.

"Karin's jutsu has no feats, thus it's superior or equal to Naruto's"

That is your argument. Any sensible person would assess the performance of both jutsu shown in the Manga and then reach their conclusion. All you are doing is saying "her range can be bigger, thus it must be bigger than Naruto's". :lol Please stop. Stop using bad logic. Stop using misinformation I stated, and then later corrected, to back up your argument too. Cause you clearly aren't getting anywhere.

If I was using your logic, since we don't know the max level of Fugaku's Katon, we'd be able to say it's stronger or equal to Itachi's based on literally nothing at all.

 

[Defence]

Naruto

●Sensory Perception

(Normal/Base Sage Mode)

>After mastering Sage Mode, Naruto can detect and identify other chakra signatures from vast distances. With this skill, he can better react against high-speed opponents like the Third Raikage, being able to dodge his attack and effectively counter.

(Kurama influence)

>He also gained the ability to sense negative emotions after taking control of Kurama's chakra. Naruto can also use both of these abilities simultaneously through his senjutsu-enhanced Tailed Beast Mode and the Six Paths Sage Mode respectively.

(With Six Path power)

>Upon achieving the latter, Naruto's sensory capabilities were empowered to the highest possible level, making it possible for him to sense the other half of Hagoromo's chakra, as well as Madara's Limbo: Border Jail.

---

Karin

●Sensory Perception

>Karin possesses a unique ability called the Mind's Eye of the Kagura, which allows her to sense any targets' chakra signature. Sasuke states that her sensory abilities are unlike any other. Unlike most sensors, who normally require to mould their chakra first, Karin appears able to detect chakra targets without any conscious effort. Using this ability, Karin can detect the presence of others, easily discern how many and if a specific individual, even its species, is present from great distance, letting her easily track the target. She can determine the size of a target's chakra reserve and potency, and even tell when someone was lying through the dishonest emotions causing chakra fluctuations. Karin can also tell if someone is a clone technique or trapped in genjutsu, including herself. Similarly, she can conceal her own chakra from others. However, she cannot use her chakra for other feats while doing so, thereby negating her own sensing.

Mind's eye of Kagura

>By focusing and opening the mind's eye, Karin is able to find and track an individual's chakra over a vast distance that exceeds ten kilometres. By further focusing her chakra, she can extend this range to far greater distances.This ability also gives her the capability to perceive fluctuations in a person's chakra made when a person is lying or if someone, including herself, is under a genjutsu. Also, by focusing on a particular chakra, she can perceive her targert's movements and surrounding area with great detail. These sensory capabilities bless Karin with abilities that even surpass dōjutsu with comparable powers.

---

The conclusion than can be draw here is Karin sensory capability is on another level compare to Base SM Naruto.

But in battle SM Naruto sensory capability is shown to be superior. Its bcus Karin while doing the tracking or sensing activity she couldnt using any other jutsu. For me Karin is good for being a helper or side kick.

The same problem never experienced by SM Naruto.

For distance traking/sensing, so far Naruto have an edge over Karin

You sir have paid attention to the manga. How anyone can say Naruto is naturally better is beyond me. Karin senses people even when she's in non combat. It takes no effort for her at all. She can identify and determine their motive also.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Naruto is superior then karin in everything your just the one denying it.

I never denied Naruto is superior to Karin. Poor reading comprehension, I guess? LOL at the idiots who liked this post.

Then I'll wait for you to show that any Naruto country or the distance between Turtle Island and the War location was equal to the radius of Karin's sensing. I'll also wait for you to prove the bold. Using superhuman Ninja traveling for extended periods of time across countries doesn't give you the evidence you need to claim they are small. Is the world small because Superman can fly around it over 5 times in a few seconds? Nah.

And I'll also wait for you to prove that Karin's range is 1000km, because it's 10km. Not 1000. Funny how I've yet to actually see proof from you that it is. Wiki (sourced DB or Manga, cba to look right now) says it's minimum is 10km, while DB says that she can see for several dozen kilometers. That's over 36km. 1000km isn't several dozen. Several isn't almost 10 times. Several is more than 2, but not many.

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Been addressed too many times.



No. Karin's jutsu lacks the feats for you to make this claim. I don't know how I can dumb this down any further, but do me a favor and stop with the bad logic. You literally have no point here.

"Karin's jutsu has no feats, thus it's superior or equal to Naruto's"

That is your argument. Any sensible person would assess the performance of both jutsu shown in the Manga and then reach their conclusion. All you are doing is saying "her range can be bigger, thus it must be bigger than Naruto's". :lol Please stop. Stop using bad logic. Stop using misinformation I stated, and then later corrected, to back up your argument too. Cause you clearly aren't getting anywhere.

If I was using your logic, since we don't know the max level of Fugaku's Katon, we'd be able to say it's stronger or equal to Itachi's based on literally nothing at all.

@bold This renders your entire post worthless since you didn't understand jack about what I was saying. Not to mention this entire post is the same thing revolved around the @bold misconception of yours. You sir need to go read back the posts.

@underlined Me prove it? You're the one who brought that figure up, not me. What have you been smoking? I asked for the proof (because I didn't know the range), and you brought up "1000 km". :lol Maybe you learned a thing or two after reading Arai's post perhaps. Or whatever, but you seriously don't know what you've been talking about all this time.

Plus, all of your argument was heavily based on BS assumptions until now after you mentioned the 10 km range. :lol BS assumptions about 1000 km not equaling a country. BS assumptions about Naruto's range being greater than 1000 km... :lol

And my entire argument would've been different if you told me before that Karin's range wasn't 1000 km... genius. There is a reason I asked for proof.

You sir have paid attention to the manga. How anyone can say Naruto is naturally better is beyond me. Karin senses people even when she's in non combat. It takes no effort for her at all. She can identify and determine their motive also.

That's true. But Naruto's sensing capabilities with regards to battle are superior to Karin's. Battle specific sensing is only about tracking your opponents movements (muscle and limb movements) [which Karin may or may not be capable of] and instantaneous sensing (Karin's sensing is slower as she took time to locate Danzo, SM Naruto would have done that very quickly). So SM Naruto clearly has the superior battle oriented sensing. All of Karin's additional features are irrelevant in battle. Outside of battle however, Karin is by far the better sensor.

 

[KidGamer65]

@bold This renders your entire post worthless since you didn't understand jack about what I was saying. Not to mention this entire post is the same thing revolved around the @bold misconception of yours. You sir need to go read back the posts.

@underlined Me prove it? You're the one who brought that figure up, not me. What have you been smoking? I asked for the proof (because I didn't know the range), and you brought up "1000 km". :lol Maybe you learned a thing or two after reading Arai's post.

My entire argument would've been different if you told me before that Karin's range wasn't 1000 km... genius.
.

That is exactly what you are stating, period. I suggest we start backing up our argumentation with actual evidence and not BS logic.

And then I stated that it wasn't 1000km, yet you continue to say it's 1000km. Do I really need to recount the posts made in this argument since you clearly forgot how to read? Lmfao. READ before you reply pal. Not after.

 

[King of the Heavens]

I never denied Naruto is superior to Karin. Poor reading comprehension, I guess? LOL at the idiots who liked this post.



@bold This renders your entire post worthless since you didn't understand jack about what I was saying. Not to mention this entire post is the same thing revolved around the @bold misconception of yours. You sir need to go read back the posts.

@underlined Me prove it? You're the one who brought that figure up, not me. What have you been smoking? I asked for the proof (because I didn't know the range), and you brought up "1000 km". :lol Maybe you learned a thing or two after reading Arai's post perhaps. Or whatever, but you seriously don't know what you've been talking about all this time.

Plus, all of your argument was heavily based on BS assumptions until now after you mentioned the 10 km range. :lol BS assumptions about 1000 km not equaling a country. BS assumptions about Naruto's range being greater than 1000 km... :lol

And my entire argument would've been different if you told me before that Karin's range wasn't 1000 km... genius. There is a reason I asked for proof.



That's true. But Naruto's sensing capabilities with regards to battle are superior to Karin's. Battle specific sensing is only about tracking your opponents movements (muscle and limb movements) [which Karin may or may not be capable of] and instantaneous sensing (Karin's sensing is slower as she took time to locate Danzo, SM Naruto would have done that very quickly). So SM Naruto clearly has the superior battle oriented sensing. All of Karin's additional features are irrelevant in battle. Outside of battle however, Karin is by far the better sensor.

Superior then her in everything meaning sensory skills as well

 

[Remedy]

While what you're saying is true, your reasoning is BS and you're basically assuming stuff. Just because her speciality is finding location doesn't automatically mean her battle sensing becomes inferior.

No assumption or BS here sir. Here is what happens when SM Naruto charges someone and dodges a direct hit and here is what happens when Karin does the same.

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If anything, you're the one assuming.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

That is exactly what you are stating, period.

I was saying that AFTER you mentioned that her range was 1000 km and BEFORE you corrected it to 10 km. Not now, sir.

I suggest we start backing up our argumentation with actual evidence and not BS logic.

This statement goes more for you than it does for me. But I guess you're too arrogant to accept that you were wrong.

And then I stated that it wasn't 1000km, yet you continue to say it's 1000km.

This again shows how you heavily misinterpret my posts. I never said that Karin's range is 1000 km after you mentioned it was 10 km and showed the DB entry. I said that before. In the previous post, I was only highlighting your BS about how you tried to prove 1000 km less than a country and Naruto's range to be greater than 1000 km without any basis, earlier in our argument.

Do I really need to recount the posts made in this argument since you clearly forgot how to read? Lmfao. READ before you reply pal. Not after.

Me? And no, you don't need to recount anything. All you need to do is to know what you're talking about while making an argument. The rest will be alright on itself.

And didn't I already mention that my argument would be totally different if you corrected yourself earlier? But yet, instead of realizing your mistake, you're again reversing everything back on me. Pathetic!

Superior then her in everything meaning sensory skills as well

SM Naruto is superior to Karin overall, not in each and every thing. And Naruto is only superior to Karin in battle oriented sensing, not the overall sensing capabilities. Outside of a battle, excluding the range, Karin is a far better sensor. So no, Naruto is not superior in everything.

No assumption or BS here sir. Here is what happens when SM Naruto charges someone and dodges a direct hit and here is what happens when Karin does the same.

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If anything, you're the one assuming.

Again, this doesn't prove that Karin's sensing skills are inferior. It only proves that Karin's dodging capabilities, speed, reflexes and her battle skills are inferior.

 

[Remedy]

Again, this doesn't prove that Karin's sensing skills are inferior. It only proves that Karin's dodging capabilities, speed, reflexes and her battle skills are inferior.

Battle sensing is near useless to a character if he/she doesn't have the body strength to react to their sensing awareness. Rock Lee made this point with pre-cog sharingan and slow speed in part 1. Which goes right back to my point, she is inferior overall in that category, there are no scans to that says otherwise, forget the fact that she has shown zero battle sensing feats. Only search, location and clever analysis. While Karin can sense certain things just as good while in range, SM overall is superior, Naruto sensing the war on multiple battlefronts from a barricade cut off from the world in the middle of the sea is all the proof.

 

[To Whatever]

Combat sensing = SM Naruto

Every other form of sensing = Karin


Karin sensing didnt stop Danzo from kicking her ass.