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Sensories are used in combat. So even if your thread is not about on how they are used. It makes no difference.
I would take Naruto over Karin any day. Cause he is a complete package as a ninja.
SM Naruto or Karin (the better sensor).
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I would take Naruto over Karin any day. Cause he is a complete package as a ninja.
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Karin can also link her sensing to combat if she boasted combat skills, and better since it is superior.
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Definitely not on a Sage Mode's level, for sure. I'm not really sure if Karin's sensing abilities give her the same level of precognition (is that the right word for his Frog Kata?) that is granted with Sage Mode.
And yes, Frog Kata is actually the term for more than one Sage Mode power, apparently.
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I know, I was just stating off topic that the Kyuubi's power balances him out.
I agree.
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Good points but Karin edges.
1. Karin says she'll know if Zetsu's lying by the disturbance of his chakra.
She can detect dishonestly using sensory only, SM Naruto cannot.
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2. Karin determined that the group approaching their location have a "have a sheer volume of chakra she deems incred.
She even knew they were with a dog lol
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But more importantly, Karin has even summed up Naruto's character to a T based just on sensing.
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But Naruto's feat of sensing the battles were tough but I don't think he used SM solely, Kurama's chakra played a part.
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This is where she definitely has the upper hand because Naruto wouldn't be capable of detecting that at all. Only with the Kyuubi's power, but it works a bit differently.
Naruto would be capable of doing the same thing, albeit, I'm not sure if he would be able to tell the difference between a human and a dog's chakra. Though I may be wrong. It seems weird for him not to have that ability. But anyway, general sensing allows you to feel/sense anything in the general area (of which they can sense) and understand who and what they are (as in the numbers, and volume of chakra).
Naruto's first feat was showcasing that he could sense the entire Village, and everyone alive. And he asked if Kakashi was in the Village because he couldn't sense his particular chakra out of the population that survived Pain's Attack.
Yeah and right after that she could even sense the darkness in his chakra which was the Kyuubi. I'm not sure if Naruto has any feat of that caliber, as in being capable of sensing something deeper than what's already there. Sage Mode Naruto I mean.
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I don't understand why you can never focus on the topic at hand Shazzy.
The thread is about SM Naruto's sensory & Karins sensory techniques and their mechanics.
This isn't a discussion about who's the better fighter or combatant, were comparing and contrasting aspects of their arsenals.
Accuracy- Naruto can sense and determine each individual's chakra.
Range- The entire on going war.
Speed- The sensing is fast enough keep up with raikage's movement.
Finding out dishonesty just needs brains.
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Range- The entire on going war.
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Speed- The sensing is fast enough keep up with raikage's movement.
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lmfao no chill
Finding out dishonesty just needs brains.
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So what if one is better sensory than another? A ninja should be judged as a whole. Not by bits and pieces.
I think it depends on which type of sensing you find more important. Because both Naruto and Karin's sensing work for two different operations here.
One's generally for combat, and the other one is more ranged around general sensing purposes.
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Shazzy dear, u need to stop spinning and before you bust a tit.
Who's judging them as shinobi? When, where and how have I or anyone else on this thread alluded to comparing their overall capabilities? Again me and members like Indra are taking two strong aspects of two characters and comparing/contrasting them to determine which one is greater.
The topic at hand is sensory.
^^^ /threadAccuracy- Naruto can sense and determine each individual's chakra.
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Range- The entire on going war.
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Speed- The sensing is fast enough keep up with raikage's movement.
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lmfao no chill
Finding out dishonesty just needs brains.
SM Naruto>Karin. Karin cant compete.
She really does'nt have any feats. She is an average sensor. I dont know why people are hyping her up. She does what a sensor is suppose to do. She has to sit still with a hand sign and concentrate. SM Naruto literally feels everyone
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I've read the whole manga and all the post here and I have to agree that Naruto and Karin are closely on par.
*KCM/RSM sensory skills are way to OP to be included. (Obvious 10/10 in the ranking lol)
Naruto SM:
Basic sensory: 8/10
Sensory In-Battle: 9/10
Overall: 17
Karin:
Basic sensory: 9.5/10
Sensory In-Battle: 7.5/10
Overall: 17
The numbers show that they are equal overall; however, that is just my opinion for now. Things change after careful speculation of their skills lol.
Naruto shines the most while in combat with his sensory abilities, but can still show great feats outside of combat. Even though it may not have been shown, Naruto's sensory is good enough that while in SM he shouldn't have a problem telling if someone is lying or that something is wrong, due to the disturbance in their chakra just as Karin did. Also Naruto KCM abilities are not counted here, and are very separate from Karin's basic sensory of feeling emotions. She can only tell the warmth or coldness of a persons chakra and chakra disturbances to hypothesize that someone may have dark intent. However, Naruto is able to instantly tell evil intent in people hearts which goes deeper than Karin's mere sensory of emotions, due to Kurama's (9 tails) natural build up of hatred within its chakra.
Karin on the other hand shines mostly as a support ninja outside of combat, because she can focus better within that position. She is still good in combat, due to her battle experience while she was younger and while traveling with Orochimaru and Sasuke. Also she has close to as much or possibly more sensory range, precision, and versatility as Naruto's SM.
I only vote that Karin is slightly better due to the fact that her sensory skills have been with her since birth and she has had much more training in the use of her ability, where as Naruto achieved SM much later and can only do what she can do because of senjutsu fueled for SM. He is still closely on par due to the massive difficulty for SM training and his large chakra pool needed to master it.
It's pretty obvious though that sensory abilities powered with senjutsu far exceeds the sensory abilities of a kekkai genkai or clan, due to Naruto using SM once and easily catching up in sensory skill to Karin. But do realize that she has had this ability since birth, and may not have knew about it until meeting Orochimaru. But she has trained in sensory much longer than Naruto and has had real field practice with the ability. Even so senjutsu seems to trump over almost anything lol.
We all know that Hashirama's sensory skills crap all over Naruto & Karin's due to his sensory skills being on par with Karin's without his own built in SM being activated and just in base mode. But once he uses his SM, his sensory is 50x better than Naruto & Karin combined probably. Its possible that SM Naruto(7th Hokage) probably has sensory skills that far exceeds Hashirama's and definitely Karin's at this point. But we have no evidence on that yet lol.
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I think Karin wins by a slight edge due to more time training the skill and having it at birth, unlike Naruto. However, in close-quarters combat she will lose terribly against Naruto. And senjutsu seems to be the cheat codes for sensory abilities since Naruto kinda just had it handed to him, while Karin worked hard to achieve that level of sensory mastery lol.
Final Ranking:
Naruto SM - Overall: 17.0
Karin - Overall: 17.5
*KCM/RSM sensory skills are way to OP to be included. (Obvious 10/10 in the ranking lol)
Naruto SM:
Basic sensory: 8/10
Sensory In-Battle: 9/10
Overall: 17
Karin:
Basic sensory: 9.5/10
Sensory In-Battle: 7.5/10
Overall: 17
The numbers show that they are equal overall; however, that is just my opinion for now. Things change after careful speculation of their skills lol.
Naruto shines the most while in combat with his sensory abilities, but can still show great feats outside of combat. Even though it may not have been shown, Naruto's sensory is good enough that while in SM he shouldn't have a problem telling if someone is lying or that something is wrong, due to the disturbance in their chakra just as Karin did. Also Naruto KCM abilities are not counted here, and are very separate from Karin's basic sensory of feeling emotions. She can only tell the warmth or coldness of a persons chakra and chakra disturbances to hypothesize that someone may have dark intent. However, Naruto is able to instantly tell evil intent in people hearts which goes deeper than Karin's mere sensory of emotions, due to Kurama's (9 tails) natural build up of hatred within its chakra.
Karin on the other hand shines mostly as a support ninja outside of combat, because she can focus better within that position. She is still good in combat, due to her battle experience while she was younger and while traveling with Orochimaru and Sasuke. Also she has close to as much or possibly more sensory range, precision, and versatility as Naruto's SM.
I only vote that Karin is slightly better due to the fact that her sensory skills have been with her since birth and she has had much more training in the use of her ability, where as Naruto achieved SM much later and can only do what she can do because of senjutsu fueled for SM. He is still closely on par due to the massive difficulty for SM training and his large chakra pool needed to master it.
It's pretty obvious though that sensory abilities powered with senjutsu far exceeds the sensory abilities of a kekkai genkai or clan, due to Naruto using SM once and easily catching up in sensory skill to Karin. But do realize that she has had this ability since birth, and may not have knew about it until meeting Orochimaru. But she has trained in sensory much longer than Naruto and has had real field practice with the ability. Even so senjutsu seems to trump over almost anything lol.
We all know that Hashirama's sensory skills crap all over Naruto & Karin's due to his sensory skills being on par with Karin's without his own built in SM being activated and just in base mode. But once he uses his SM, his sensory is 50x better than Naruto & Karin combined probably. Its possible that SM Naruto(7th Hokage) probably has sensory skills that far exceeds Hashirama's and definitely Karin's at this point. But we have no evidence on that yet lol.
XD
I think Karin wins by a slight edge due to more time training the skill and having it at birth, unlike Naruto. However, in close-quarters combat she will lose terribly against Naruto. And senjutsu seems to be the cheat codes for sensory abilities since Naruto kinda just had it handed to him, while Karin worked hard to achieve that level of sensory mastery lol.
Final Ranking:
Naruto SM - Overall: 17.0
Karin - Overall: 17.5
:bouncy: This is all my opinion so no need for any bashing please and thank you. :bouncy:
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but couldn't sense Sasuke. Again Kishi hyped Naruto's features too much. That shit take the whole fun out of the shinobi world if a person can sense every single person and their emotions anywhere no matter the distance.
