Carpchonay
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Yes it can if he cuts them in half. Or are you gonna add an imaginary regen feat to them simliar to Orochimaru? rofl
Close battle but Minato doesnt need his incomplete SM to deal with Pein. He wins high diff.
Sm MinatO Vs Pain
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Close battle but Minato doesnt need his incomplete SM to deal with Pein. He wins high diff.
Carpchonay
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Go suck off Nagato somewhere else. This is Pein. And Pein loses to Minato SM or no SM.
Look how fast the Nagato fapboys flooded this thread. It's hilarious. Pein loses to him.
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Getting Raikiri blade and crushed by Expansion Jutsu Fist>>> A simple kunai slash and Shurado was still going.
We already saw Jigokudo get hit with kunai knives and it did nothing.
That's a speculation that you can't make. In the end of the say it never shown any feats of piercing his Lightning style armour, and given the fact that Sasuke's Chidori couldn't pierce through Ay's body then you know that a kunai knife isn't going to do anything.
The best thing Minato's FTG knife did was cut Hachibi's arm down to the
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while Sasuke's chidori spear completely bisected that
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. So if Chidori isn't doing it then you know a kunai knife isn't doing anything to pierce through Ay's body
If Sm Minato isn't tanking anything that sent Sm Naruto flying:
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Setting up CT takes a few seconds since he creates the orb then simply makes it go towards the sky. CT doesn't have to be at a specific height to activate though. The paths could be the diversions even if it's for a few seconds. The moment CT starts attracting things, the Kunai will begin to float upwards towards the sphere and away from Deva Path since it won't be right above him. Minato will be lifted from his feet which prevents him from using his foot speed and any Kunai he throws will be redirected towards the sphere as well. This is Iffy though since it still takes time to set it up regardless and could fail si if Minato targets Deva first not giving him the few seconds he needs to set it up.
CST is how I see Deva winning. All it takes is a single jump to gain enough altitude to flatten Minato on the spot. The closer Minato is, the bigger the chance he'll die since the gravity will hammer him towards the ground right below him. He won't see it coming since gravity itself isn't visible but if he keeps his distance, he will atleast be able to react once he sees what's happening to the floor below Deva. Problem is that if he keeps his distance, Deva will just set up CT instead of using CST.
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It just pierced him and not go through. Someone being stabbed dont get immobilized but having a arm cut off does immobilize him some what. Youre imagining Its a ordinary knife no its a special kunai whichs why bee protected A in first place. Sasuke sliced it but that is after he gained Senjutsu chakra from Juugo.
Its made of special material. Cutting through bee's tail when tail tanked molten lava from Son Goku, is a extraordinary feat. No one uses a ability if they know it wont work.
SM Minato didnt recieve mortal damage. A Naruto when just started training for Senjutsu is unfazed by physical attacks.
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I'm not imagining that it's an ordinary knife, it is an ordinary knife with a curse seal tag. Stabbing right through somebody with lightning style does immobilizes you, in fact it's suppose to kill you. Haku got stabbed by Raikiri and he couldn't move right after, he needed to be placed down carefully on the floor by Zabuza/Kakashi. Getting your arms cut off does not immobilizes you because shinobi's such as Jiraiya, Tobi and Zabuza have fought with their arms cut off and broken off before yet it still did nothing to their mobility.
On top of that Minato has tried to FTG stab a 15 year old Tobi before yet that knife did
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.Only the rasengan was able to break Tobi's undeveloped Senju tissue arm that has been
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so this just makes Minato's knife look bad if anything.This knowledge is known to everybody else but not you apparently so there's no way a simple knife is piercing through Ay's lightning armour.
There's many things I can go on about to counter this section here but I'l just stick to main issue here.
Wrong and it's a baseless assumption too. Go read the kakashi gaiden, that thing is an ordinary knife with a seal tag. Minato was only able to chip the tail down the middle, he wasn't able to cut the tentacle arm completely off like Sasuke's Chidori Spear did.
Hachibi's tail completely off. Hachibi also never touched the molten lava with his tail and you don't compare cutting power to burning power considering the fact that molten lava is a liquid not a solid.
Well wrong on two accounts.
1. Shinra Tensei is a magnetic force not a physical attack
2. Shinra Tensei can hurt senjutsu users depending on how much power is put into the attack. Even the Toads who are also senjutsu users got all their
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. The only reason why he didn't use such force against Naruto is because
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. Of course Naruto said that he's in Sage Mode so he thought he couldn't get hurt in the first place but to his discredit he was not aware that the Toads were damaged by such impact because of the distance they were sent flying, also the Six Paths' Black Weapons time and time again have damaged top level Toad senjutsu users such as Jiraiya and Fukasaku as well. So Minato will be no different.
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absorbs Senjutsu covered Rasenshuriken, so he's gonna be fine.
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Uverdore9
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Agree, but the head? Dont think they can function without head.
Might be because Hashirama cellular properties being too powerful. Danzo cells which he had little to no control on managed to divert SusanoO arrow, Tobi called 'super fast and super strong'. Fifteen Tobi had full control over Hashirama's cells.
If thats so bee wouldnt rescue him. He had intel on Minato.
Chipped it down tail because knife is small, Chidori lance is long. A case of longer range.
It did. Son Goku Lava covered Hachibi's Body. Burning power and cutting power is same. It matters where theyll boil down to. A lava progressing in 7000° centigrade'll and a knife with same pressure'll land the same amount of damage.
In japanese kakashi tells 'Ninkyoku tho Sekiryoku' in reference to Gravity realms powers. They mean Attraction and Repulsive powers. Viz mistranslated it.
Correct. Though Ive a point which I disagree with. Toads cannot control chakra in feet possibly. Tsunade hypothesized a mechanism to countereact gravity realms repulsion. Minato could use that + Senjutsu to resist it. Not to mention he can throw kunais everywhere to keep teleporting and confusing enemy. A senjutsu rasengan in the shoulder the size which jiraiya created'd be enough to damage deva in his five interval. Dont think hes got reflexes quick enough to avoid it, considering it caught Raikage blindspotted even. He can mark ground with seals as other option.
Well Gakido wont absorb Seals. Its a drawing which not Obito could take off, as Juubi Jinchuuriki. If marked he wont survive because of lacking reactions on par with top speed Ay.
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If Pain is unrestricted from the start then SM Minato can do nothing against all the paths and Deva combo.
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You're right that they can't function without their head but Minato needs to mark Pain's body in order for him to touch Pain's head. That'll be impossible to do since Pain could repel at will.
Danzo's hashirama cells were trying to
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and it was killing him so they provided no strength for him since it was trying to destroy his body on top of ripping his arm off.That 14-15 year old Tobi's cells weren't developed you know. He didn't have complete control since his arm fell apart just from a simple rasengan attack. Tobi with 100% control can
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, and it
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.So the cells aren't an excuse because they don't increase you durability only your physical/life energy energy when controlled well enough.
No, Bee him so that he wouldn't mark him. Ay's more durable than the tip of Hachibi's tail arm.
Small isn't an excuse considering the fact that Chidori spear is thinner and less denser than a knife.
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.And Wrong again because burning power is NOT the same as cutting power since a sliding liquid cannot cut you.
:lol No it doesn't and magnetic forces is not gravity. Kishi does the Viz translations for his manga so you're the one that's wrong because gravity does not attract and repulse in the first place.
1. Toads not being able to control chakra on their feet is a baseless assumption not a fact. Fukasaku who has better chakra manipulation who taught naruto and jiraiya the very basics of manipulating chakra with natural energy makes your theory sound really bad.
2. Sm Naruto had intel on Deva, yet still got repelled
3. Tsunade put chakra underneath her feet yet she still got repelled so badly that she fell into a coma. Pain said that overwhelming power makes that little counter useless.
4. Tendo control magnetic forces not gravity. There's no such thing as gravity realm otherwise Pain would be able to take away Minato's gravity sending him floating all the way up into outer space.
Alive Minato doesn't have the chakra to keep teleporting everywhere, just look at the Teenage Tobi fight. He ran out of chakra so fast that he ask Kushina to use her Chakra chains barrier. Gakido deals with any Rasengan Minato has to offer during Tendo's interval.
He does have the reflexes for it, he dodged lightning blade's thrust mid way from Kakashi.
Just so you know, Lightning blade/Chidori flesh activates your thrust speed instantly stabbing your opponents. That's what Sasuke did to Ay in the kaguya summit. You can go look it up in the DB too if you want.
Shinra tensei repels the ground easily so no markings will work, just look at the two craters he made in Konoha.
He needs to touch Pain in order to mark him with a seal, in which he can't do because Tendo repels and Shurado shoots lasers for distance.
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so Pain can get rid of them the same. The manga already proved that you can remove
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so Pain can do that to get rid of the Ftg curse mark and I'm sure that's what Obito did to get rid of his too.Pain has the reaction speed, even SM Naruto's reaction speed beat 3rd Ay's.
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My argument in minato vs threads will forever remain the same. It’s literally less than 10 people in the Naruto universe that had intel on FTG and how it worked. 3 out of 10 of those people were dead. 98% of the population(in the anime) thought it was just pure speed lol. Without intel on FTG stage 1 or 2 your chances of winning are slim. It’s simple.
Just one example. Out of all my years of watching and reading Naruto every time a kunai is thrown it’s either parried or dodged. If you don’t have intel on the jutsu doing either will get you killed instantly. It’s simple, you just don’t know lol. He’s killed countless ninja that way. People underestimate how dangerous this jutsu is even with info.
Pain could use ST all day for the kunai but why would he if he could just dodge them. He doesn’t have intel so that’s exactly what he would do just like everyone else lol. Split second later rasengan to the face or his head will roll.
Just one example. Out of all my years of watching and reading Naruto every time a kunai is thrown it’s either parried or dodged. If you don’t have intel on the jutsu doing either will get you killed instantly. It’s simple, you just don’t know lol. He’s killed countless ninja that way. People underestimate how dangerous this jutsu is even with info.
Pain could use ST all day for the kunai but why would he if he could just dodge them. He doesn’t have intel so that’s exactly what he would do just like everyone else lol. Split second later rasengan to the face or his head will roll.
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Because in canon he’s always shinra tensei Kunai knifes, he never bothered to dodge them for some reason. Against Hanzo with co he repelled them and against Kakashi with co. as Pain he repelled it too.
And Minato has no intel on pain either. No intel on the central Pain and the key pain that can revive the undead bodies.
How will Minato dodge a force that is invisible, almost instant and that he knows nothing about and if he was to know about it, he will never see/sense it coming? How will he even dodge something that can destroy a mountain?
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Almost instant<instant.
If you really think pain can get a ST off before minato teleports then I don’t know what to say lol
Nvm that rep bar explains it bro
Without intel i think pain will win as he will outlast minato. Though he still can't kill minato but minato will retreat in a real scenario. FTG without intel is a very dangerous jutsu but minato won't know which pain to kill first. If he gets lucky and kills reviving pain, he will probably win it but chances of that are slim as deva will probably attack him first. Then pain will know about ftg but minato won't know much about pain's secret.
ST is pointless against minato because the moment he is hit by the force, he will teleport away. Same with BT. Pain can't react to ftg if tagged because jin obito failed to do so. If tagged that's sure death. But pain has number game with him. He can use more strategies than minato can. And eventually drag out the battle. Minato will need to use clones if pains stay together. And that will be draining for him.
Though people suggesting CT will matter, i want to point out that in a real battle scenario, minato will teleport away when CT starts attracting everything. Nagato will then see that CT is useless as minato has teleported away. He will cancel the jutsu. And minato will come back. Unless he uses it solely to deal with minato's kunais. But then minato doesn't need to teleport far away. He has a fast shunshin as well.
ST is pointless against minato because the moment he is hit by the force, he will teleport away. Same with BT. Pain can't react to ftg if tagged because jin obito failed to do so. If tagged that's sure death. But pain has number game with him. He can use more strategies than minato can. And eventually drag out the battle. Minato will need to use clones if pains stay together. And that will be draining for him.
Though people suggesting CT will matter, i want to point out that in a real battle scenario, minato will teleport away when CT starts attracting everything. Nagato will then see that CT is useless as minato has teleported away. He will cancel the jutsu. And minato will come back. Unless he uses it solely to deal with minato's kunais. But then minato doesn't need to teleport far away. He has a fast shunshin as well.
I'm favoring Pain but I do believe this could be a tough fight.
As always the biggest issue with Minato is he lacks a true high level damage dealing ability. IE (TBB,FRS) outside of the abilities that the toads can perform.
Elder Toads
Battle Toads
Rasengan
FTG
With this said the majority of the battle will be Minato's Summons combating Pain's Summons + Paths
Animal path summons wrecked most of Naruto's summons and Deva path wiped out the others.
Even if the Summons are dealt with Minato still must take care of Deva,Asura,Preta which all canonically handled Summons and lower level attacks with ease.
Minato could possibly Tag the pains but with shared vision it would be very difficult for him to constantly use FTG as a sneak attack as the manga clearly shows us once he does it a couple times it becomes predictable at high level fights.
An alternative is Frog song which is possible if Minato can buy enough time which I doubt since Deva can simply pull or push all Kunai away.
As always the biggest issue with Minato is he lacks a true high level damage dealing ability. IE (TBB,FRS) outside of the abilities that the toads can perform.
Elder Toads
Battle Toads
Rasengan
FTG
With this said the majority of the battle will be Minato's Summons combating Pain's Summons + Paths
Animal path summons wrecked most of Naruto's summons and Deva path wiped out the others.
Even if the Summons are dealt with Minato still must take care of Deva,Asura,Preta which all canonically handled Summons and lower level attacks with ease.
Minato could possibly Tag the pains but with shared vision it would be very difficult for him to constantly use FTG as a sneak attack as the manga clearly shows us once he does it a couple times it becomes predictable at high level fights.
An alternative is Frog song which is possible if Minato can buy enough time which I doubt since Deva can simply pull or push all Kunai away.
@bold, i forgot about frog song. That is a sure win for minato if it is allowed. Minato can make a clone which takes elder toads away till jutsu is ready. And then come back and pain won't be able to do anything when he can use ftg.
But in character, minato probably won't use it and retreat instead unless village is on the line.
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Yes Pain can repel but how much damage'd a mere repulsion cause? Little to no damage. Kakashi and choji and his father pushed to no avail. Minato in Sage Mode is on a greater level to them. Why I strongly believe this is the case is Sage mode gives a power which transcends physical energy enhanced strength which Akimichi uses.
Shikaku's words: Since Naruto has learned Sage Power,
his abilities'd be on a whole another level. We'll be nothing more than distractions to him.
Which means Sage mode enhances Base, higher than anyone shinobi in Konoha except maybe Hokage. This is accompanied by Fukasaku Statement:-
Sage Mode increases your Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, Taijutsu to a whole another level.
Taijutsu requires physical strength which I've proved why'd tank Shinra Tensei's force which just smashes you towards the ground/mountain/rock/stone/walls. If he uses Chou Shinra Tensei, recharge time'd be higher and would give Minato a plethora of time to succeedingly strike pain one by one down.
So, In the meantime Gravity Realm charges(5 seconds/higher), Minato throws a Kunai which Deva'd likely not dodge(Kunai caught A in top speed), followed by minato transporting plus striking God Realm's head. I don't think Preta could react enough to intercept a slice of Deva head. I could be wrong.
Physical energy increase equated to physical strength increase in Narutoverse. Whichs why Choji clan inherited has great physical energy to use thier bodily destructivity combinations. Danzo got enhancements in both fields: physical and life energical: both come together. Well that Tobi had enough control over Hashirama's cells to control the Kyuubi and engrate it out of Kushina's container. To control a Bijuu, by ripping it out of Jinchuuriki, you need mastery over Hashirama cells and Uchiha eyes.
Tobi words: Danzo....he acquired Shodais cells from being a lab guinea for orochimaru and that combined with Ocular Uchiha Eyes.....he is after Naruto huh?
I think its pretty clear he had full control over cells when faced against Minato/had upto par control enough to extract Kyuubi out by force.
I'd say this is an assumption. Bee couldnt be afraid if he believed Raiton armour couldnt be penetrated as he thought.
That doesnt excuse the length tho. Its like saying I could cut a 30 inch broad tree with a 7 inch knife wholly, than a 30 inch long knife with equal penetrative power like latter with one slice.
This was never my argument tho. My argument is the lava hit the body so I find no reason to believe the body and tail are seperate in its durability. Essentially both've same hardness.
No, same pressure = same damage. No matter what the attack is made of. Thats like saying a Juubi TBB and Kyuubi TBB with same power encasing itd create different tiers of damage, one above other. Thats illogical.
I said its a translationerror. Kishimoto directly writes japanese manga only. English translation is done by others. This is not the first time. Viz translated Kakashi's 'probably' into 'only sharingan can face itachi'. Viz translated 'Itachi is absolutely invincible' to 'itachi is invincible'. They clearly have liberties, they do not translate literally which creates errors. You can hear audio in anime to prove what I said is correct. Its not literally magnetic force so it doesnt follow real world logic.
I called deva as a gravity realm as a nickname only. Its attractive and repulsive forces. Tsunade comad because of her chakra depletion of giving to injured/near death villagers.
And one thing, Sage Mode is different from Senjutsu chakra accumulation. Reason I believe this is:-
- Fukasaku and Shima couldnt sense victims around them with danger sensing which naruto and kabuto could. So it depends whether they could control feet chakra as I'd need proof for that, especially when frogs never use Ninjutsu and only Senjutsu, so there was no need for learning this certain control.
- Notice the fact Frogs dont have markings in thier eyes? Which is the sign of being in Sage Mode. The frogs use Senjutsu without being in Sage Mode whichs my point. It comes naturally to them since they are animals. Theyve no difficulty in learning it. Animals attract Natural energy naturally. Its humans whove difficulty as proven by the extremely low masters of this art. I think I proved my point.
- Naruto got repelled but did he have any injuries? No. Yes deva had no killing intent but Katsuyu could tank it, even the weaker versions which were exploited towards citizens when the buildings fell down on them. Nothing much happened. Its not a stretch to say Sage Mode has durability equal to one of mini Katsuyu. Dont forget naruto picked and threw the bull summon whichs the largest summon scaled in size other than the Cerberus so you could imagine the density of Naruto's body. Plus he didnt master SM. Minato is a master; whilst he cant use it in battle for long durations which he doesnt need to as Ive said.
Alive Minato could teleport twice if I'm correct? Thats all he needs to win. What he should do is mark all the areas around him with tags or throw the kunais after the interval so Gravity God Realm wont push it. He can carefully plan where exactly to transport to secure a win.
- Lets look at Kumo vs Minato: He placed the kunais all over and teleported three times.
- He couldve damaged A which Bee saved him. Whichll the turning point here: He would throw the kunai somewhere else in Pains radius: which Shurado wont react: as thiers no feat suggesting he can: as hes blitzed by untrained SM Naruto, and teleport there and throw another kunai to Shurado and blast him with NE enhanced Rasengan: which negates Pains main firepower threat. If he's attracted by Tendo, he could use frog kata from all sides of his body to demmobilize him with two to three NE shots.
- If Pain tries Jigokudo + Ningendo Soul ripping, Minato could teleport back to a marking he's marked at start of match/ he could throw another kunai over above two's heads and use Double Rasengan to smash them both: considering Naruto did it inside a frog. Preta wont intercept this attack to neutralize attack, I've proven that.
- Chou Shinra tensei as Ive said negates Tendo's ability for time periods long enough Naruto with basic SM alone can take down three and four paths. Ground demolishing is pointless: minato marks again.
- While completing any above strategy: he marks them all along which ensures incase they survive: he could take his time legaling the Killing Blow.
- Chidori isnt dodged by Tendo: he used Rinnegan Rods power of intimidating enemy to distractify Kakashi to miss his mark and he missed.
Overall this'd work.
I'll explain why all of this is incorrect:-
- Tendo has a interval minimum 5 seconds for short term blasts which if attracted'd do greater damage in collision with Shurado: which I've explained why wouldnt be probable: because ftg kunai above his head'd end both with double SM Rasengan. So likely deva'd push him away which wont do much damage: if not CST which he wont: because it would lead to minato tanking it plus beating all pains afterwards. Shurado's missiles wont hit Minato due to stated occurrences.
- Changing your chakra is misinterpretation. Sasuke's rage and emotions caused the SusanoO to be embroided with more power to break it. Sharingan is eye of heart - Tobirama. It uses power of heart to break the clutch of Cursed Seals. The chakra Karin mentioned is Indra's chakra. We know that because naruto sensed it in him. Chakra cannot change the only way it changes is through someone possessing you like Indra and taking over your body. Juubi Jinchuuriki Tobi still got caught by Tobirama's seal and couldnt remove it. Why he removed it when transcending into Juubis state is because of the suddden power released when both combined. Its not because of chakra absorption for reason stated above. No way Preta absorbing it. Plus theres no way a chakra seal would stay active even after years of minatos death, dont you think? Yet it didnt diminish/deactivate after death.
- SM Naruto improved after Pain arc, he didnt master it in his fight with pain. War arc he could see shinobi literally with sensing alone and didnt need clones to suffice for his SM entry: he learned doing it himself, all alone.
- Minato Edo could react enough to turn and absorb Gudodama/TSB Projectiles after incoming FTG Kunai thrown to intercept Might Gai in Gates Formation. Seeing Minato could enter SM instantly without Frogs help/needing shadow clones/needing NE accumulation time gap: its safe to assume he has better danger sensing, speed boost, physical power, jutsu power than Pain arc naruto and war arc naruto.
- 3rd Ay's not known for speed specifically - Kumo Elder's words, but for bodily durability. Doesnt matter to Minato he dodged Ay 4 anyway with FTG, and without Sage Mode: which'd enhance his speed, reflexes, reaction, even better.
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Why do you think I showed you what happened to SM Jiraiya and Sm Naruto when they went up against Pain? How can you say that Shinra Tensei will do little to no damage to a Toad senjutsu user when Pain broke Chief Toad's bones and killed Fukasaku who's a better Sage Mode user than Jiraiya and Naruto. All you're doing is stating hype about Sage Mode being in a different level when Pain already defeated Sage Mode numerous times already. Why don't you point out the Rinnegan's hype instead since you like to digress from legitimate manga feats.
The fact that you're repeating things that I already counter means that you actually can't rationalize or you simply just don't want to read my post and just reply for name sake.
I'm not gonna repeat myself again, there is no such thing as Gravity realm. It's Tendo realm and he controls magnetic forces NOT gravity. Anybody can dodge a thrown kunai knife Pain easily dodges it, throwing something is not a foot speed feat.
No not really. It depends on what type of physical energy you have because Choji's physical energy is caloric energy that increases your size which gets into the realm of special chakra/secret arts. Also when you increase your size, you increase your mass and power. Other than that in base form Choji is not physically strong and even Ino was able to drag him by the scarf in order to save Sakura in the Chuunin exam Forest of Death.
So when Danzo achieved his Hashirama cells he was still physical weak, even Sasuke was stronger than him.
Also that quote is wrong, this is what Tobi actually said:
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IMPORTANT: @Bold here is very hypocritical considering that you explicitly said that Tobi had NO control over his sharingan therefore he can't break Hashirama's. You said that Tobi had no skill in using the sharingan and that Kakashi master his eyes and not the orginal user. You even said that Tobi didn't control any jinchuuriki blatantly lying and now you're saying that he does have mastery over the sharingan and that he did control a perfect Jinchuuriki? You're either stubborn or just a troll because you just contradicted yourself.
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Well now that you excepted that fact that Tobi does have control over his sharingan, you need to realize that the wood style alone cannot control a perfect jinchuuriki and that sharingan alone cannot control a jinchuuriki either, they can only suppress their chakra.
The reason why Tobi was able to do all these ridiculous feats is because of his Six Path Powers, which is what Uchiha+senju bloodline and power together equals.
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Tobi didn't even control a perfect jinchuuriki until he was 20 years old too. When he had the rinnegan he was able to control 6 more.
Honestly I can say that this is an assumption too. The only reason why it's clear that a crappy little knife could not pierce Lightning armour is because it couldn't cut through Hachibi's tail in half, and Lightning armour is more durable than Hachibi's tails. Even SM Naruto's rasengan couldn't pierce through 3rd Ay's lightning armour.
It does when the knife is a lot thinner than the little pocket knife. You can't even use that kind of argument considering the fact that more than half of the chidori spear didn't even make contact with the hachibi tail. Even chidori has more cutting power than chidori spear so what's ftg's excuse?
The tails do not have the same durability as the main body obviously becuse 3rd Ay was able to chop off all of Hachibi's tails during their fight easily but not the main body.
@Bold is a completely horrid analogy because both juubi and Kurama are using the same type of chakra bomb. Any logical person knows that you don't compare lava to a knife because lava burns and knives penetrate. Lava is a liquid and you cannot compare it to a solid, that's what makes what you're saying illogical.
It's not a translation error because Kishi word directly with Viz, they translate with each other word for word. Anime is SP, those things are filler bullshit that have nothing to do with Kishi. They don't even ask for his permission when they start filling in battle scenes and adding characters that never existed in the manga. So it's NOT gravitational force it's magnetic force.
The reason why Viz is obviously right (besides the fact that they are more certified than you) is because gravity does not repel forces only magnetic force can do that.
So why are you arguing this when you don't even know that gravity doesn't have the capability of repulsion?
Chibaku tensei was said to have gravitational forces not Tendo's Shinra Tensei.
There's so many things wrong with this analogy here that it's borderline illogical.
1. It's not gravity period.
2. Sage Mode frog markings are suppose to be on humans not Frogs, it's dumb for Frogs to gain more frog marking when they are already a frog.
3. Fukasaku knows Sage Jutsu, I'm shocked that you would say that he doesn't when the manga says otherwise. Read:
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5. Pain already told Pain that he wasn't going to kill him and I already discuss this. So if you know this then you have no business bringing it up. As for the other Sage Mode users Shinra Tensei has hurt them severely and Pain's jutsus killed two of them (Pa and Jiraiya).
6. Katsuyu has regeneration properties that reform after being completely destroyed. While Naruto and any other Sage Mode user does not. So that's a horrble example. If Naruto can cut himself into mini pieces and repair himself back together again like Katsuyu then call me.
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8. Minato did not master Sage Mode in fact Naruto is better than him so going this far to wank a character you don't like means that you really just feel like disagreeing with me on everything. My assumption is that you became friends with some idiot in this base who opposes everything I say.
Minato's never used Sage Mode in combat, he's horrible at it, can't even maintain it for long, doesn't know how to sense in SM, and he doesn't even know how to use the Sage Jutsu enhanced strength. He can't even last as long as Naruto did when he fought Pain.
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If Minato spreads around his marking like he did against Bee and Ay, Pain would just Shinra Tensei all of them away easily destroying them making your whole scenario useless.
Gakido is next to Tendo so all of Minato's rasengans are uselss and Shurado will deal with Minato at a distance with lasers and missles.
Animal paths take out all of Minato's summonings leaving Jigokudo to do whatever he wants to Minato.
Those Six paths'weapon rods did nothing to deter Kakashi from attacking, he clearly dodge it and your trolling your ass off.
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This is Wrong. the interval happens after he's repelled the Ftg knife, so there is no way for minato to teleport right towards Pain if he's already repulse the knives.
chibaku tensei cannot be tanked with Sage Mode, that's silly talk and even Naruto said that Kurama was the only reason why he survived it. Thinking that Sage Mode can tank a planetoid is just desperate.
No it's not a misinterpretation, the manga specifically said that Sasuke's Rage caused his chakra to change. So you''re wrong on that part again.
And when Tobirama marked Obito he removed that very same seal again after the alliance defeated him. Otherwise Tobirama would've been with Obito, Kakashi, Naruto, and Sasuke in other dimensions.
No he mastered Sage Mode and surpassed Jiraiya's level. The manga stated this already. His problem was that he wasn't able to maintain it for long. Minato as stated above didn't even master Sage Mode and he never used it for battle. So he's gonna be even worse than Naruto when he was still training.
Look above, he's unable to do any of these things as far as the manga goes.
Sage Mode made him even slower and he couldn't dodge a simple kick. He's horrible at Sage Mode because i takes him too long to knead senjutsu chakra. 3rd Ay was stated to be fast by kcm Naruto.
