SM Minato vs EMS Sasuke

[Demonic.]

you want me to end this i will just say the words. Sasuke would stomp this matchup the only thing in minato arsenal that is to be questioned is frog song and he can dodge it

I highly doubt he can dodge sound. Those visible lines you mentioned are just used so the readers can see the traveling sound waves. Lol I don't think sound is visible dude.....

 

[Unorthodox]

I highly doubt he can dodge sound. Those visible lines you mentioned are just used so the readers can see the traveling sound waves. Lol I don't think sound is visible dude.....

the sound itself is actually visible temari could clearly see them

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landing a hit on minato is no problem enton covers the battle feild susanoo arrows 1 shot once all his ftg is removed sasuke isnt running out of chakra here exhausting isnt happening

 

[Demonic.]

the sound itself is actually visible temari could clearly see them

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I don't think that proves she can actually see it....besides Tayuya had visible flute spirits so that might be some other weird thing coming for them....and Sasuke can't counter sound...unless he has earplugs.

 

[makosheva7]

Minato may have Naruto's nature energy manipulation feats but he still can't generate the same amount of KB that Naruto can (Naruto has Kurama) (Not that current SM Naruto would win against EMS Sasuke). Sure Minato can summon Ma and Pa off the bat, but their genjutsu needs prep time and they're going to be vulnerable as they can't evade Sasuke with FTG while on Minato's shoulders (I'm assuming). So Sasuke mid-high diff.

 

[Demonic.]

Minato may have Naruto's nature energy manipulation feats but he still can't generate the same amount of KB that Naruto can (Naruto has Kurama) (Not that current SM Naruto would win against EMS Sasuke). Sure Minato can summon Ma and Pa off the bat, but their genjutsu needs prep time and they're going to be vulnerable as they can't evade Sasuke with FTG while on Minato's shoulders (I'm assuming). So Sasuke mid-high diff.

Lol I'm pretty sure the toads jump with Minato when merged with him...if Minato can teleport people he touches with him.....

Also the prep time is irrelevant as Sasuke can't touch Minato...and Sasuke has no knowledge on Frog Song. He won't know what's going on.

 

[King Of Pop]

[=Voidstep;16297949]well, first of all, PS is restricted

not that sasuke needs it anyways

2nd - now FS is useless??
this is a sound genjutsu not a visual genjutsu, Saucekay won't break it like that.

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as you can see there, both him and Itachi (master in genjutsu) got caught in a sound genjutsu
and him and Itachi needed each other to free themselves from the genjutsu
also, check the susano'o.....
yep, susano'o disappeared...

they were in a cave so kabuto had them surrounded hence the genjutsu easily reached them. in an open field it is easily avoidable because it has a range. once the frogs begin singing, sasuke will immediately note something is up, he is not an idiot. he avoids it by using his hawk and flying out of range or he jumps away with his v3

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the genjutsu doesnt last very long, sasuke can stay out of the range.

about being able to use techs
c'mon man, they're paralized and susano'o vanishes, a kage level shinobi will fack em up
and before you make up an excuse, he can finish him with a clone (just incase)

but they were able to turn their heads and use genjutsu, shikamaru broke out of one by inflicting pain on himself, whats stopping sasuke from doing the same? it may be boosted by sage mode but it can still be broken through the same way. besides sasuke can avoid the gen like i stated above

you're missing the point
Minardo doesn't need to destroy the susano'o, he has ways around it

hes only effective way is to dodge its attacks and try and outlast sasuke but that is not happening

FS being one of them

and sasuke can counter that easily

it doesn't matter if susano'o is coated with enton, he doesn't need to touch susano'o to cast FS... >_>
surroundings being in flames won't help Sauce much either, Minardo will just keep distance and evade everthing thrown at him even easier
he doesn't even need kunais to teleport... like I already said before, he can switch places with clones or teleport to them, and vice versa

frog song is not taking down sasuke. surrounding the area in flames will help him a lot as minato will need to be careful so as not to touch the flames, meanng his movements will be hindered. if sasuke does apply enton on his kunais then his ftg will suffer too and he wont be able to use it effectively. ay was able to notice minatos kunais and were he teleports next, i expect sasuke to take notice also and put a plan in motion to catch him in enton or take him out with soosano slashes once he emerges.

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he also has aoda for back up. how does minato handle aoda with sasuke who will untop of it?

soosano tanks each and all minatos attacks.

his clones are easily dismissed by soosano attacks, remember they go poof once hit and with enton spread around then its surely going to happen. a touch of the flames and their gone.

but it won't be an easy fight for him and Minardo can also beat him

no he cant. he loses everytime.

 

[Unorthodox]

I don't think that proves she can actually see it....besides Tayuya had visible flute spirits so that might be some other weird thing coming for them....and Sasuke can't counter sound...unless he has earplugs.

she clearly saw it susanoo produces shockwaves thus it blows the sound away in a similar fashion to temari or sasuke jumps out of its rane plus sound genjutsu is really only effective in tunnled areas no earplugs are needed

Lol I'm pretty sure the toads jump with Minato when merged with him...if Minato can teleport people he touches with him.....

Also the prep time is irrelevant as Sasuke can't touch Minato...and Sasuke has no knowledge on Frog Song. He won't know what's going on.

susanoo arrows & Amaterasu turn him to paste once enton takes out all the kunai or sasuke uses kirin either way gg

 

[King Of Pop]

Lol I'm pretty sure the toads jump with Minato when merged with him...if Minato can teleport people he touches with him.....

Also the prep time is irrelevant as Sasuke can't touch Minato...and Sasuke has no knowledge on Frog Song. He won't know what's going on.

they sing, he notices it and takes action just like pain noticed and attacked them. hes been caught in a sound gen before so he does have knowledge on sound genjutsu

 

[Voidstep]

Minato may have Naruto's nature energy manipulation feats but he still can't generate the same amount of KB that Naruto can (Naruto has Kurama) (Not that current SM Naruto would win against EMS Sasuke). Sure Minato can summon Ma and Pa off the bat, but their genjutsu needs prep time and they're going to be vulnerable as they can't evade Sasuke with FTG while on Minato's shoulders (I'm assuming). So Sasuke mid-high diff.

if the frogs are on his shoulders, they'll teleport with him
unless Minato is being a jerk and leaves them behind and lets them get killed on purpose, just for the lols

he won't need many clones to begin with
and the frogs won't be vulnerable on his shoulders


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Raikage evaded amaterasu
Kakashi with 3 tomoes had time to activate MS to kamui an enton arrow
thinking Sauce is going to easily kill Minato or the frogs on his shoulders doesn't make much sense

 

[Demonic.]

she clearly saw it susanoo produces shockwaves thus it blows the sound away in a similar fashion to temari or sasuke jumps out of its rane plus sound genjutsu is really only effective in tunnled areas no earplugs are needed

susanoo arrows & Amaterasu turn him to paste once enton takes out all the kunai or sasuke uses kirin either way gg

Susano produces shock waves and cancels sound? You do realize Kabuto placed Itachi and Sasuke in a sound Genjutsu and they both had their Susano's up. Kabuto even said, " As I suspected your Susano doesn't protect you from sound."

 

[Anarkist]

Meh, Minato wins this.

 

[Unorthodox]

Susano produces shock waves and cancels sound? You do realize Kabuto placed Itachi and Sasuke in a sound Genjutsu and they both had their Susano's up. Kabuto even said, " As I suspected your Susano doesn't protect you from sound."

those were ribcages plus they're back was turned using that as an example is terrible

 

[Demonic.]

they sing, he notices it and takes action just like pain noticed and attacked them. hes been caught in a sound gen before so he does have knowledge on sound genjutsu

He may have knowledge on Sound Genjutsu but he doesn't know the frogs will be using it. Even Pain didn't know. Once they start singing, there's not much Sasuke can do, he still has to deal with Minato. Frog Song paralyzes the body and mind, he won't be escaping it.

 

[makosheva7]

Lol I'm pretty sure the toads jump with Minato when merged with him...if Minato can teleport people he touches with him.....

Also the prep time is irrelevant as Sasuke can't touch Minato...and Sasuke has no knowledge on Frog Song. He won't know what's going on.

Right how stupid of me. In that case it's a lot harder for Sasuke than people think. But I'm still reluctant to give Minato the win.

 

[Demonic.]

those were ribcages plus they're back was turned using that as an example is terrible

Dude.... When Kabuto used white rage the sound still went through Susano and it was the whole Susano... You see them covering their ears. Don't hype Susano saying it protects from sound..

 

[Voidstep]

they sing, he notices it and takes action just like pain noticed and attacked them. hes been caught in a sound gen before so he does have knowledge on sound genjutsu

is there a rule somewhere that says that frongs can only sing from 50meters away!?
once they are ready, Minato can teleport near Sasuke and use it at closer range. how is he going to evade that??

susanoo arrows & Amaterasu turn him to paste once enton takes out all the kunai or sasuke uses kirin either way gg

guess now Sasuke has some kind of super senses that can detect every single kunai/mark
you're forgetting the fact that Minato can teleport to clones and vice versa
you're forgetting he can also trade blows with a clone incase something goes wrong

 

[Gold Lightning]

Some people are so sadly mistaken U_U Frog song does NOT require any prep. It's just one hand sign and then bam it's out. Either sage toad has enough range with it to cover an entire giant summon, so making it 2 sage toads will make it a lot harder to avoid. People like to pretend Sasuke can dodge everything whenever minato is the opponent he got caught twice in kabutos genjutsu, so what he gonna do when it's 3 vs 1 plus shadow clones as well.



Gamarinsho is the one that requires a bit of prep, which really isn't an issue for an FTG user.

 

[Unorthodox]

He may have knowledge on Sound Genjutsu but he doesn't know the frogs will be using it. Even Pain didn't know. Once they start singing, there's not much Sasuke can do, he still has to deal with Minato. Frog Song paralyzes the body and mind, he won't be escaping it.

Pain was running through a tunnel plus he didnt see jiraiya use so why would he try to dodge it?

Dude.... When Kabuto used white rage the sound still went through Susano and it was the whole Susano... You see them covering their ears. Don't hype Susano saying it protects from sound..

White rage is much faster than sound genjutsu plus its light and sound plus vibrations furthermore i never said it protected them from sound i said susanoo sword slashes causes shockwaves to reple the sound waves or he dodges by jumping out of the range

is there a rule somewhere that says that frongs can only sing from 50meters away!?
once they are ready, Minato can teleport near Sasuke and use it at closer range. how is he going to evade that??

yes because sasuke will stand next to one of minato's kunai and wait for him to teleport. the frog sound genjutsu travels sasuke gets out of its range who said anything about 50 metors plus it would require minato to stand still in use enton projectiles turn the frogs into paste sound genjutsu is your only argument in it has been counterd numerous times

guess now Sasuke has some kind of super senses that can detect every single kunai/mark
you're forgetting the fact that Minato can teleport to clones and vice versa
you're forgetting he can also trade blows with a clone incase something goes wrong

doesnt matter once sasuke uses amaterasu minato dodges via kunai (If he can even dodge amaterasu with no info) sasuke sees he teleported via kunai so he burns all of them down same with the ftg marking because they are the same marking on the kunai

Some people are so sadly mistaken U_U Frog song does NOT require any prep. It's just one hand sign and then bam it's out. Either sage toad has enough range with it to cover an entire giant summon,

that is a different type of frog song not the genjutsu version get your facts straight before you start posting After focusing Senjutsu chakra to their throats, both Fukasaku and Shima croak together in unison releasing large loud and immensely powerful sound waves that effectively annoy distract and temporarily paralyse any afflicted targets completely.If they try that they are not connected to minato amaterasu one shots them then plus sasuke can jump out of that range.

so making it 2 sage toads will make it a lot harder to avoid. People like to pretend Sasuke can dodge everything whenever minato is the opponent he got caught twice in kabutos genjutsu, so what he gonna do when it's 3 vs 1 plus shadow clones as well.

Shadow clones are fodderized one touch they go poof sasuke could not advoid sound genjutsu in a cave because for one it restricts his movements furthermore a cave is a boxed in area were the sound will bounce off the walls because its hallow so advoiding it is nigh impossible sasuke dodges it as i previous posted. By the way sound genjutsu is the only argument the minato fans can bring to the table when sasuke has many counters to it amaterasu is arm if he's ever caught to release it via pain aoda wakes him up aswell.

 

[Demonic.]

Pain was running through a tunnel plus he didnt see jiraiya use so why would he try to dodge it?



White rage is much faster than sound genjutsu plus its light and sound plus vibrations furthermore i never said it protected them from sound i said susanoo sword slashes causes shockwaves to reple the sound waves or he dodges by jumping out of the range



yes because sasuke will stand next to one of minato's kunai and wait for him to teleport. the frog sound genjutsu travels sasuke gets out of its range who said anything about 50 metors plus it would require minato to stand still in use enton projectiles turn the frogs into paste sound genjutsu is your only argument in it has been counterd numerous times





doesnt matter once sasuke uses amaterasu minato dodges via kunai (If he can even dodge amaterasu with no info) sasuke sees he teleported via kunai so he burns all of them down same with the ftg marking because they are the same marking on the kunai

It doesn't matter if Pain saw or not he wouldn't know it was coming either way... "I wasn't expecting a Genjutsu this powerful from you sensei" if Jiraiya's student didn't know about it how the hell is Sasuke going to figure out what's coming? As for Amaterasu it doesn't phase Minato even if it hits...Madara's orbs hit Minato's back and he simply FTG'd away. As for the markings you keep saying Sasuke destroys Minato can use shadow clones that also use FTG and can switch places with them.

 

[Voidstep]

not that sasuke needs it anyways

they were in a cave so kabuto had them surrounded hence the genjutsu easily reached them. in an open field it is easily avoidable because it has a range. once the frogs begin singing, sasuke will immediately note something is up, he is not an idiot. he avoids it by using his hawk and flying out of range or he jumps away with his v3

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the genjutsu doesnt last very long, sasuke can stay out of the range.

man, seriously
why the heck would the frogs sing from far away when they are with a god damn teleporter that can get them close!?
once they are ready, they can be used from anywhere >_>

but they were able to turn their heads and use genjutsu, shikamaru broke out of one by inflicting pain on himself, whats stopping sasuke from doing the same? it may be boosted by sage mode but it can still be broken through the same way. besides sasuke can avoid the gen like i stated above

this is getting a bit silly
we're talking about 1 of the fastest guys from whole manga, he'll get a rasengan to the face in a flash once he's caught

hes only effective way is to dodge its attacks and try and outlast sasuke but that is not happening

I already put a scan in one of my other posts showing that susano'o goes down when they get caught in a genjutsu >_>

and sasuke can counter that easily

yeah, just because you say so...

frog song is not taking down sasuke. surrounding the area in flames will help him a lot as minato will need to be careful so as not to touch the flames, meanng his movements will be hindered. if sasuke does apply enton on his kunais then his ftg will suffer too and he wont be able to use it effectively. ay was able to notice minatos kunais and were he teleports next, i expect sasuke to take notice also and put a plan in motion to catch him in enton or take him out with soosano slashes once he emerges.

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he also has aoda for back up. how does minato handle aoda with sasuke who will untop of it?

soosano tanks each and all minatos attacks.

his clones are easily dismissed by soosano attacks, remember they go poof once hit and with enton spread around then its surely going to happen. a touch of the flames and their gone.

dude are you serious??
you say he puts everything on fire and then you say he summons Aoda!?!?
why!?!?
why is he going to do something that stupid??
you should know Aoda will get killed by the enton flames if he does that... xD

so, your strategy is...
susano'o
everything on flames
Aoda backup
fly on Hawk
all at the same time...

cool story, hope he won't get confused doing all dat