huh! i'd have agreed if sasuke hadn't dropped his susano during danzo fight at all...
so getting EMS increases your chakra reserves??
yes it doesn't put strain but did i mention strain anywhere??
against madara and obito he dropped it many times when even his fans thought he should have used susano.... plot wasn't that... only uchiha who uses susano continuously is madara and he has highest chakra reserves in uchihas...
and as i mentioned not that it matters.. susano gets teleported away or FS ends it...
your logic is flawed. sasuke dropping soosano or not using it in some cases does not mean he couldnt use it nor does it mean his chakra didnt allow him use it, wat kind of logic is that?, so you want him to use soosano 24 7 even when hes not fighting. he wasnt fighting alone, tobirama, minato and naruto were there so of cause sasuke would not use soosano at times. all the times he went for an attack, he used it.
sasuke dropping soosano means his chakra didnt allow him wtf??
your logic is flawed. sasuke dropping soosano or not using it in some cases does not mean he couldnt use it nor does it mean his chakra didnt allow him use it, wat kind of logic is that?, so you want him to use soosano 24 7 even when hes not fighting. he wasnt fighting alone, tobirama, minato and naruto were there so of cause sasuke would not use soosano at times. all the times he went for an attack, he used it.
sasuke dropping soosano means his chakra didnt allow him wtf??
1st tell me what's the primary purpose and role of susano??
2nd: he attacked his enemies multiple times without susano... heck he even attacked danzo a few times without susano and got a seal on hmself... that's where minato tags him...
3rd: if he had chakra reserves equal to or slighly below madara then you could have argued here... susano is a technque that takes huge amount of chakra... so sasuke is going to run out of chkra before minato... that's not even debatable... minato can teleport for a lot more time than sasuke can hold up his susano and heck he may not even need ftg other than PS....
4th: yes he had all of them assisting him but are they the reason he wanted to get his ass kicked and not use susano??
i'm not saying he couldn't have used it on certain occasions, i'm saying it's not his fighting style to use susano constantly because his chakra reserves doesn't allow him to....
1st tell me what's the primary purpose and role of susano??
2nd: he attacked his enemies multiple times without susano... heck he even attacked danzo a few times without susano and got a seal on hmself... that's where minato tags him...
3rd: if he had chakra reserves equal to or slighly below madara then you could have argued here... susano is a technque that takes huge amount of chakra... so sasuke is going to run out of chkra before minato... that's not even debatable... minato can teleport for a lot more time than sasuke can hold up his susano and heck he may not even need ftg other than PS....
4th: yes he had all of them assisting him but are they the reason he wanted to get his ass kicked and not use susano??
i'm not saying he couldn't have used it on certain occasions, i'm saying it's not his fighting style to use susano constantly because his chakra reserves doesn't allow him to....
sasukes reserves are just fine and he can use soosano as long as it allows him. you are talking like sasuke is itachi. this is ems sasuke we are talking abiut and minato is not pushing him to the point were he will have to drop soosano due to low chakra, no the fight is not lasting that long. sasuke not having reserves near madara does not mean his reserves are poor that he cant maintain soosano. poor logic.
good
seems you finally read the link you gave and realised you've been talking about wrong jutsu
but you ended up posting the wrong link again for frog call...
there's so much wrong with your speed interpretation, that I'm not even going to bother
and all this doesn't really matter anyway, you know why??
because Sasky will need to keep susano'o up the all time, that is if he don't want risk getting tagged, by Minato or a clone
What's wrong exactly? That he's unable to fight one on one with minato's clones? V2 A couldn't even land a direct hit on him, he used susanoo+kagutsuchi combo to block, and that's just ms sasuke. Ems sasuke as I said many times before is quicker. Also he can use his legged susanoo offensively with kagutsuchi arrows or swords. What's wrong with having susanoo up all the time btw? He did it against juubito when fighting alongside naruto.
besides, FTG is instant and Minato has one the best reflexes in all manga... and now put SM on top of that...
even 4d Raikage could dodge a point blank amaterasu without SM sensing or S/T
thinking Sasky's going to kill Minato or his clones like that is just silly, really
and before you say "oh Sasky gets rid of all kunais"... there's still FTG v2... he can still teleport to clones, and vice versa... heck if he makes a mistake, he can even trade places/blows with a clone and get out of it
Minato has sm, sasuke has ems. One has sensory feats, the other has perceptual capabilities. Not sure why you think he's superior all of a sudden. His clones wouldn't be able to touch sasuke, minato doesn't have long range attacks he could use in this scenario either. If his clones get anywhere near sasuke when they are trying to tag him, they will get
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. Also his legged susanoo can cover a large distance, so minato's kunais will be visible to sasuke and great destructive capability so even using ftg, it will be hard for those clones to evade a barrage of attacks.
great, using fodder white Zetsu as an example
1st - Minato would have no reason/need to be that close
2nd - his clones can also teleport
3rd - unlike fodder white Zetsu, Minato has good reflexes and great shunshin...
seriously, why do you guys feel like Minato needs to be close to Sasky!?!? why!?!?
there's no reason for him to be close to Sasky, he's not going to enter CQC with a god damn susano'o, like the dumb white Zetsus
What does this prove? That minato can escape fast, or that he can use frog song from long range? He needs to teleport back to sasuke sooner or later and when he does, he will be disposed of. He needs to stay in a location to use frog song, he can't just use it while he's teleporting all over the place.
they can give away their location, is no problem, they are with a teleporter, did you forget that!?!?
they'll be finished with prep before Sasky can cover that distance, and Sasky better have super hearing
again...
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and you're the one that needs to read the links properly
you keep posting the wrong links and keep talking about the wrong skills >_>
go check your frog call link again...
I always find it funny people saying this, only to realise later they didn't really counter anything...
Again, they finish with the prep and teleport back to sasuke's location only to find sasuke waiting for him and get killed. Minato cannot make that many clones unlike naruto because it depletes his chakra reserves. The clones that he can make will be taken care of by susanoo. Unless you think the clones will just hide somewhere until the original gets back, they will be beaten.
What's wrong exactly? That he's unable to fight one on one with minato's clones? V2 A couldn't even land a direct hit on him, he used susanoo+kagutsuchi combo to block, and that's just ms sasuke. Ems sasuke as I said many times before is quicker. Also he can use his legged susanoo offensively with kagutsuchi arrows or swords. What's wrong with having susanoo up all the time btw? He did it against juubito when fighting alongside naruto.
V2 Raikage couldn't land a hit on him because he had susano'o...
and V1 actually got his hands on him, grabbed him and slammed him against the floor, Sasuke only activated susano'o after he got grabbed to avoid getting killed...
but you're just contradicting yourself now, SMH
you were the one that was talking about the possibility of Sasuke fighting him without susano'o, because he's fast and shet... >_>
he needs susano'o to not get tagged, and yes, he can keep susano'o up for long periods, I never said he couldn't... don't get my posts confused with others
Minato has sm, sasuke has ems. One has sensory feats, the other has perceptual capabilities. Not sure why you think he's superior all of a sudden. His clones wouldn't be able to touch sasuke, minato doesn't have long range attacks he could use in this scenario either. If his clones get anywhere near sasuke when they are trying to tag him, they will get
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. Also his legged susanoo can cover a large distance, so minato's kunais will be visible to sasuke and great destructive capability so even using ftg, it will be hard for those clones to evade a barrage of attacks.
there is an advantage in SM sensing...
Sasuke is limited to what he can see/line of sight, while SM covers 360 and has danger sensing (similar to Spider-Man spider sense)
where can this advantage come into play!?!? simple
combine S/T with the fact that Sasuke can't sense, and he can get attacked from behind... he doesn't have sharingan in the back of his head, I think...
he can get surprised, while it will be harder to surprise an SM user.
he now have superior eyes (sharinnegan) and guess how Kaguya got him!?!? yep, from behind
and could she get Nardo!?!? nope
but you're making no sense again
if Sasuke has the susano'o up why would Minato get close to tag him!?!?
make your mind up, man, either he's using susano'o or not... >_>
What does this prove? That minato can escape fast, or that he can use frog song from long range? He needs to teleport back to sasuke sooner or later and when he does, he will be disposed of. He needs to stay in a location to use frog song, he can't just use it while he's teleporting all over the place.
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that proves that he can make a long teleport to prep SM and FS and won't need to be jumping around to dodge Sasuke... like seriously...
no, he won't use FS from that range. SMH
and yes, he'll teleport back when it's ready
and why will it get disposed when he teleports back!?!? why are you making up new rules!?!?
you've been trying to remove FS since the start, just because.
after frogs finished melodies sync, J-Man could fight and jump around before they used FS
so why will it get disposed with a simple teleport!?!? huh???
stop fabricating the manga, man...
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do you see anything getting disposed there just because J-Man was fighting and jumping around before they used it again!?!? >_>
Again, they finish with the prep and teleport back to sasuke's location only to find sasuke waiting for him and get killed. Minato cannot make that many clones unlike naruto because it depletes his chakra reserves. The clones that he can make will be taken care of by susanoo. Unless you think the clones will just hide somewhere until the original gets back, they will be beaten.
2nd - who said anything about many clones!?!? 1 or 2 clones are more than enough...
3rd - Nardo was soloing a war with clones alone, did you see them getting killed that easy!?!? Sasuke will have trouble getting rid of the clones if they're playing defense.... they can teleport too you know!?!? >_>
4 - for the last time... Minato or the clones won't enter in CQC with a god damn susano'o... he's not stupid like the fodder white Zetsu...
btw, even if Sasky manages to kill his clones, it's no problem
why would it be!?!?
Minato will just go back and continue the fight, he can sense where Sasuke is
here we go again, going around in circles...
I don't know if I can dumb this down even more so you can understand...
V2 Raikage couldn't land a hit on him because he had susano'o...
and V1 actually got his hands on him, grabbed him and slammed him against the floor, Sasuke only activated susano'o after he got grabbed to avoid getting killed...
Again, not why you're comparing ms sasuke to ems sasuke. It's not just e that's different in the e.m.s he gets faster, stronger, acquires more chakra and increases stamina. Up to you if you want to believe what is fact or not.
but you're just contradicting yourself now, SMH
you were the one that was talking about the possibility of Sasuke fighting him without susano'o, because he's fast and shet... >_>
he needs susano'o to not get tagged, and yes, he can keep susano'o up for long periods, I never said he couldn't... don't get my posts confused with others
V2 A was able to outspeed sasuke. Ms minato won't. The only way he'll get a shot in is using ftg. Which means he has to throw kunai in a specific location are you with me so far...
there is an advantage in SM sensing...
Sasuke is limited to what he can see/line of sight, while SM covers 360 and has danger sensing (similar to Spider-Man spider sense)
where can this advantage come into play!?!? simple
combine S/T with the fact that Sasuke can't sense, and he can get attacked from behind... he doesn't have sharingan in the back of his head, I think...
he can get surprised, while it will be harder to surprise an SM user.
he now have superior eyes (sharinnegan) and guess how Kaguya got him!?!? yep, from behind
and could she get Nardo!?!? nope
LOL now you're comparing kaguya's s/t jutsu to ftg. How the fuk is minato magically going to appear behind sasuke? He'll have to throw a kunai there first. How in gods name you think sasuke can't see a kunai being thrown at him is beyond me. I'll say this nice and slowly, sasuke can see the kunai being thrown. He will know where minato can end up teleporting from where the kunai is, hence why I used the susanoo firing kagutsuchi projectiles as one of the attacks sasuke can use to hit him as well as the kunai he throws. There will be no element of a suprise attack that's for sure and sasuke will not get tagged.
but you're making no sense again
if Sasuke has the susano'o up why would Minato get close to tag him!?!?
make your mind up, man, either he's using susano'o or not... >_>
You know he can still fight in susanoo right. I used the example of ems sasuke vs blind sm madara to show you how good sasuke's reflexes are. Again, up to you whether you want to believe facts or not.
what tagging have to do with long range attacks!?!? wth
but you want Sasuke to use Susano'o or not!?!? decide
My point is, minato has nothing to bypass susanoo's defense or overwhelm him with reflexes as sasuke will be able to see the kunai he throws or react to any attack minato makes. Teleportation is one thing, but you have to land an attack too and that won't happen.
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that proves that he can make a long teleport to prep SM and FS and won't need to be jumping around to dodge Sasuke... like seriously...
So sasuke is going to stand there and listen to the melody? right. Where exactly is he going to teleport to? A kunai, which sasuke has already spotted. As soon as he spots minato, he will attack before the frog have time to begin singing. When this happens, minato will evade coz he doesn't want to die. Hence the teleporting around to dodge sasuke.
no, he won't use FS from that range. SMH
and yes, he'll teleport back when it's ready
and why will it get disposed when he teleports back!?!? why are you making up new rules!?!? you've been trying to remove FS since the start, just because.
after frogs finished melodies sync, J-Man could fight and jump around before they used FS
so why will it get disposed with a simple teleport!?!? huh???
stop fabricating the manga, man...
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do you see anything getting disposed there just because J-Man was fighting and jumping around before they used it again!?!? >_<
What range then? Where he preps fs? Lol I thought it was a long teleport. So he has to be rather close when he uses fs and the example you used suggested j-man had to come pretty close, nothing that a kagutsuchi arrow can't handle. @bold I don't understand. Also if minato's opponent was a lot slower, yes he can do the same thing as jiraiya, which was move around and engage in combat while performing fs. Can't do it against sasuke because his attacks are too fast. To evade sasuke's attacks, he needs ftg. How can the frog sing their melody when he's teleporting over the place.
Did you look at the page before the one you posted? One pain is jumping toward him while fs is active. It isn't until j-man kicks him and he crashes, that it takes affect
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. What is stopping sasuke from firing a barrage of kagutsuchi projectiles at him?
1st of all, with SM he can tell what's going on
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2nd - who said anything about many clones!?!? 1 or 2 clones are more than enough...
3rd - Nardo was soloing a war with clones alone, did you see them getting killed that easy!?!? Sasuke will have trouble getting rid of the clones if they're playing defense.... they can teleport too you know!?!? >_>
4 - for the last time... Minato or the clones won't enter in CQC with a god damn susano'o... he's not stupid like the fodder white Zetsu...
Great. Now you're comparing naruto's kcm clones against fodders to minato's sm clones against ems sasuke. Clones will taken care off. Obviously sasuke has to take note of the kunai that he throws like I mentioned before.
btw, even if Sasky manages to kill his clones, it's no problem
why would it be!?!?
Minato will just go back and continue the fight, he can sense where Sasuke is
No then it's gg. Clones are done then minato has to go back to the location he marked. Sasuke will identify the locations and destroy the kunai apart from 1, then minato will teleport to that location where sasuke is watching. Or he could summon the hawk, take to the sky, and when minato comes back, he'll be unaware of sasuke's location until it's too late. Sasuke will destroy him and his frogs with the destructive capabilities of the legged susanoo coupled with enton kagutsuchi. Before you say minato can sense him in the sky, sasuke can spot him with ems sharingan on the ground so sasuke will still get the first attack in and he's not dodging it because where else can he teleport to right.
@lucario14
sorry, but I'm getting tired of this debate
as you can see for yourself, this was already an ongoing debate before you joined
and it just keeps going around in circles
I've been saying from the start that, IMO Sasuke has better chances...
but if you think Minato stands no chances at all, and that Sasuke beats him easily 10 out of 10 times... well. it's fine, that's your opinion... but not mine.
lets leave it at that
that's what he should do tbh... start with standing susano'o and stick with it, Minato will have a harder time dealing with him that way
I agree with that, just don't agree with the stomp part, but that's fine xD
@lucario14
sorry, but I'm getting tired of this debate
as you can see for yourself, this was already an ongoing debate before you joined
and it just keeps going around in circles
I've been saying from the start that, IMO Sasuke has better chances...
but if you think Minato stands no chances at all, and that Sasuke beats him easily 10 out of 10 times... well. it's fine, that's your opinion... but not mine.
lets leave it at that
that's what he should do tbh... start with standing susano'o and stick with it, Minato will have a harder time dealing with him that way
I agree with that, just don't agree with the stomp part, but that's fine xD
@lucario14
sorry, but I'm getting tired of this debate
as you can see for yourself, this was already an ongoing debate before you joined
and it just keeps going around in circles
I've been saying from the start that, IMO Sasuke has better chances...
but if you think Minato stands no chances at all, and that Sasuke beats him easily 10 out of 10 times... well. it's fine, that's your opinion... but not mine.
lets leave it at that
that's what he should do tbh... start with standing susano'o and stick with it, Minato will have a harder time dealing with him that way
I agree with that, just don't agree with the stomp part, but that's fine xD
I never said sasuke wins all the time. Is that what you got from my posts? I'm explaining how he can beat him, lol I understand it's not low diff battle.
Also going around in circles? I'm aware that I joined late and may have already said something that someone else already mentioned and already countered. If so my bad.
I'll summarize briefly:
1. Sasuke can counter kunai thrown at him as he could counter shurikens by itachi
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and plus he's got susanoo to block if he misses one.
2. Teleportation is one thing but landing an attack is another, like when he went up against killer B. That was a stalemate as B reacted to seeing minato behind him after he had teleported because he wouldn't have known where he was going to teleport as he had other marked locations.
3. Frog song was used by j-man had caught pain but it wasn't instant. One of the paths charged at him, got kicked by j-man, slammed against a wall, then was trapped by genjutsu. All this happened while the frogs where singing.
