SM Minato vs DSM Kabuto

[Bronze]

It would due to the fact, the jutsu produces powerful vibration through the ears and eyes, causing the bones to rub each other, resulting the body to be paralyzed.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Would white rage affect Minatos sensory abilities?

He can only use his SM sensory that replies on natural energy..

Even if he can sense with natural energy, he can't mold chakra to do something about it, inside White Rage effects

 

[Gold Lightning]

It would due to the fact, the jutsu produces powerful vibration through the ears and eyes, causing the bones to rub each other, resulting the body to be paralyzed.

The bones don't literally rub against each other. Pretty sure sasuke said that's was it felt like that.

Still don't see how that affects sage sensing, Kabuto even thought Itachi possessed sensory abilities when Kabuto attacked sasuke during the genjutsu. Which Itachi explained he had no such ability and that Nagato is the sensor.

So I don't see how sage sensing won't work if even Kabuto thought Itachi could sense him.

 

[Bronze]

The bones don't literally rub against each other. Pretty sure sasuke said that's was it felt like that.

Still don't see how that affects sage sensing, Kabuto even thought Itachi possessed sensory abilities when Kabuto attacked sasuke during the genjutsu. Which Itachi explained he had no such ability and that Nagato is the sensor.

So I don't see how sage sensing won't work if even Kabuto thought Itachi could sense him.

Its true, and happens in real life. If you're close to something produces extremely high sound vibration, the vibration travels through the ear to the drum where it starts pumping up making the body shudder. Though the bones wouldn't rub each other exactly.

Itachi said he knows what's inside Kabuto's head [

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[AGoodBoy]

The bones don't literally rub against each other. Pretty sure sasuke said that's was it felt like that.

Still don't see how that affects sage sensing, Kabuto even thought Itachi possessed sensory abilities when Kabuto attacked sasuke during the genjutsu. Which Itachi explained he had no such ability and that Nagato is the sensor.

So I don't see how sage sensing won't work if even Kabuto thought Itachi could sense him.

please don't tell me that People are now saying Sage sensing won't work during white rage? How do they think Kabuto was getting around, with his eyes closed, through it?

 

[Avinash012]

Yes we can. Unless you want to ignore Kabuto's words. Common sense will tell that alternating something that has the same weakness, isn't smart or correct way to conclude.

Nothing implies that he managed to overcome all weak point of Suigetsu just because he said that he modified it though what if Kabuto only managed to over come the drawback of dehydration by using a different fluid?First of all there is nothing that suggests that lightning can block Suigetsu's transformation because he uses water means that there is possibility for other reasons as well but water is most logical reason as of now.

In order for ur theory to be true these 3 conditions should be true

1.Kabuto should know that lightning is Suigetsu's weakness.
2.Kabuto should know the method to over come it.
3.The fluid of Kabuto should be non conductive.
4.The reason behind lightning blocking the transformation shouldn't be anything other than water.

Ur saying that by assuming all these points are true which is not wise IMO and I must admit that u did a great job and actually managed to convince me with ur reasoning but still there are alot of assumptions in ur post which is why conforming that lighting won't work on Kabuto isn't a valid argument but still it makes alot of sense IMO.

He can only use his SM sensory that replies on natural energy..

Even if he can sense with natural energy, he can't mold chakra to do something about it, inside White Rage effects

Itachi and Sasuke managed to keep the aura of Susanoo during the attack so using an attack such as FTG isn't that hard if u ask me.Since he has the intel the chances of Minato letting Kabuto use that jutsu are very small.

 

[Touken]

Minato falls to White Rage.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nothing implies that he managed to overcome all weak point of Suigetsu just because he said that he modified it though what if Kabuto only managed to over come the drawback of dehydration by using a different fluid?First of all there is nothing that suggests that lightning can block Suigetsu's transformation because he uses water means that there is possibility for other reasons as well but water is most logical reason as of now.

In order for ur theory to be true these 3 conditions should be true

1.Kabuto should know that lightning is Suigetsu's weakness.
2.Kabuto should know the method to over come it.
3.The fluid of Kabuto should be non conductive.
4.The reason behind lightning blocking the transformation shouldn't be anything other than water.

Ur saying that by assuming all these points are true which is not wise IMO and I must admit that u did a great job and actually managed to convince me with ur reasoning but still there are alot of assumptions in ur post which is why conforming that lighting won't work on Kabuto isn't a valid argument but still it makes alot of sense IMO.

Mistake 1.) You are assuming he has Suigetsu's transformation.

Mistake 2.) You forgot his statement that he had researched<--- and alternated to what he got from a character from the Hozuki clan, Suigetsu.

 

[Avinash012]

Mistake 1.) You are assuming he has Suigetsu's transformation.

The principle is same no matter how badly u look at it,it is like saying that Minato is not using the same teleportation as Tobirama because he is using different marking.

Mistake 2.) You forgot his statement that he had researched<--- and alternated to what he got from a character from the Hozuki clan, Suigetsu.

U can't use others special abilities without researching it and yes he modified it but nothing implies that he managed to over come all of it's weak points,as far as we know he managed to overcome dehydration so we can still assume that he stopped at dehydration and didn't do anything about lightning(we can't say that he didn't do anything either though).

 

[Gold Lightning]

Its true, and happens in real life. If you're close to something produces extremely high sound vibration, the vibration travels through the ear to the drum where it starts pumping up making the body shudder. Though the bones wouldn't rub each other exactly.

Itachi said he knows what's inside Kabuto's head [

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My only point was that the bones don't actually rub against each other.

And Kabuto before that questioned if Itachi could sense him. Implying that sensing is not useless against white rage.

please don't tell me that People are now saying Sage sensing won't work during white rage? How do they think Kabuto was getting around, with his eyes closed, through it?

I don't know where such arguments come from And you make a good point, Itachi even used Susanoo to protect Sasuke during the genjutsu yet Minato can't use FTG -_- seems legit.

Minato falls to White Rage.

Of all things Minato could lose to in Kabuto's arsenal, it won't be white rage.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The principle is same no matter how badly u look at it,it is like saying that Minato is not using the same teleportation as Tobirama because he is using different marking.


U can't use others special abilities without researching it and yes he modified it but nothing implies that he managed to over come all of it's weak points,as far as we know he managed to overcome dehydration so we can still assume that he stopped at dehydration and didn't do anything about lightning(we can't say that he didn't do anything either though).

1. I was never implying its principal but sharing the same DNA/flesh that enables the ability.

2. There is more to researching then just knowing about the ability. I am sure we both have experience writing a research paper. We should already know that by doing part of researching implies its used to establish or confirm facts, reaffirm the results of previous work, solve new or existing problems, support theorems, develop new theories, etc. This isn't some basic research you are assuming. To took time, considering it shows it in his flash back[

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He even has 2nd Mizukage as his possession, who also doesn't have Suigetsu weakness, considering Mizukage developed his body to support Oil.

 

[Touken]

Of all things Minato could lose to in Kabuto's arsenal, it won't be white rage.

It's probably the only thing Minato loses to when against Kabuto.

 

[Gold Lightning]

It's probably the only thing Minato loses to when against Kabuto.

Not if he has kunai scattered round he doesn't

 

[Bronze]

My only point was that the bones don't actually rub against each other.

And Kabuto before that questioned if Itachi could sense him. Implying that sensing is not useless against white rage.

Itachi only sensed him before breaking the control of Edo Tensie:

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[Touken]

Not if he has kunai scattered round he doesn't

Huh? First of all, he only scatters kunai against platoons. He's not been shown to scatter kunai in 1v1 scenarios. He didn't against JM Madara, he didn't against MS Obito. Secondly, FTG isn't going to help him at all when he's being affected by White Rage considering he'd be completely paralyzed on the spot. Even if he teleports away, he'd still be paralyzed, leaving Kabuto to sweep him up with Kimimaro's Bone Forest. He literally has nothing to get out of White Rage.

 

[Avinash012]

1. I was never implying its principal but sharing the same DNA/flesh that enables the ability.

It is still same ability and I don't get how this DNA stuff effects the properties of the justu since it is a hiden ninjutsu that can be learned by knowing the secreat of the jutsu means that it has nothing to do with DNA IMO(he need it for research though).

2. There is more to researching then just knowing about the ability. I am sure we both have experience writing a research paper. We should already know that by doing part of researching implies its used to establish or confirm facts, reaffirm the results of previous work, solve new or existing problems, support theorems, develop new theories, etc. This isn't some basic research you are assuming. To took time, considering it shows it in his flash back[

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He even has 2nd Mizukage as his possession, who also doesn't have Suigetsu weakness, considering Mizukage developed his body to support Oil.

Iam well aware of the fact that researching and modifying means not just knowing about the ability but what I have been saying is that nothing implies that Kabuto succeeded to bypass its weakness against lightning,it has more than one weak point so it is not logical to say that he managed to overcome all of em based on assumptions without having considerable knowledge.In a way Kabuto's ability is inferior to that of Suigetsu as it is possible to wound Kabuto with surprise attacks which proves that even Kabuto didn't achived 100% accuracy. For all we know Kabuto managed to kill the problem of dehydration so my point is what if the modifications of Kabuto are only to overcome dehydration but not for lightning? there are alot of things that were well researched and modified but still has considerable weakpoints so still there is a possibility for Kabuto to have that weakness so we shouldn't overlook it.Kabuto's fluids are different from Mizukages Oil so that argument is out of qustion.

Once again let me tell u that u actually managed to convince me with ur reasons and I agree with u but Iam simpy saying that we shouldn't use that as 100% accurate proof so there is no point in arguing with me about this as we both are on same track.I hope I made my point clear and sorry for any spelling and grammatical mistakes,Iam not quite familiar with English(not even my second language).

 

[Gold Lightning]

Huh? First of all, he only scatters kunai against platoons. He's not been shown to scatter kunai in 1v1 scenarios. He didn't against JM Madara, he didn't against MS Obito. Secondly, FTG isn't going to help him at all when he's being affected by White Rage considering he'd be completely paralyzed on the spot. Even if he teleports away, he'd still be paralyzed, leaving Kabuto to sweep him up with Kimimaro's Bone Forest. He literally has nothing to get out of White Rage.

No, Ay challenged him and he scattered his kunai. Plus who are you to say where and where a character uses a certain tactic (despite them using it before). Plus you saw the preperation for Minato's Rasen-Flash Super-Circle Dance Howl Stage Three that he was about to use against Juubito, that involved at least 6 kunai that he was about to throw. He didn't do it against Obito because they were fighting on his turf, there were already kunai scattered. JM Madara, well maybe it had something to do with the fact that Minato currently has "1 HAND"???

What use is paralysing Minato when his sage mode sensing is still functioning and FTG doesn't require hand signs. If there are scattered kunai and Kabuto comes in for a fatal blow while Minato is paralyzed, Minato teleports to a kunai, if Kabuto chases him to that one then he teleports to another kunai since Minato will always sense him coming. Minato can do this until the genjutsu expires, no biggie.

 

[Avinash012]

Itachi only sensed him before breaking the control of Edo Tensie:

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It has nothing to with what he said and Itachi can't use sensor abilitis as conformed by Itachi himself.

I don't understand whether ur doing this on purpose or u really don't understand what he was saying,even I can understad it without any difficulty and Iam pretty sure ur atleast better than me when it comes to English so it shouldn't be that hard for u either.

When Itachi saved Sasuke from Kabuto,Kabuto qustioned Itachi if he(Itachi) could sense him(Kabuto) means that in a way Kabuto admitted that it is possible to use sensor abilities even when ur under the effect of white range.

Kabuto thought that Itachi has sensor abilities and that's why Itachi managed to follow Kabuto's movements to save Sasuke but Itachi actually saw through Kabuto's plan and saved Sasuke which was clearly explained by Itachi after Kabuto's qustion.

 

[Gold Lightning]

It has nothing to with what he said and Itachi can't use sensor abilitis as conformed by Itachi himself.

I don't understand whether ur doing this on purpose or u really don't understand what he was saying,even I can understad it without any difficulty and Iam pretty sure ur atleast better than me when it comes to English so it shouldn't be that hard for u either.

When Itachi saved Sasuke from Kabuto,Kabuto qustioned Itachi if he(Itachi) could sense him(Kabuto) means that in a way Kabuto admitted that it is possible to use sensor abilities even when ur under the effect of white range.

Kabuto thought that Itachi has sensor abilities and that's why Itachi managed to follow Kabuto's movements to save Sasuke but Itachi actually saw through Kabuto's plan and saved Sasuke which was clearly explained by Itachi after Kabuto's qustion.

Thank you for explaining, don't know what was so difficult to understand in my other post.

 

[Touken]

No, Ay challenged him and he scattered his kunai. Plus who are you to say where and where a character uses a certain tactic (despite them using it before). Plus you saw the preperation for Minato's Rasen-Flash Super-Circle Dance Howl Stage Three that he was about to use against Juubito, that involved at least 6 kunai that he was about to throw. He didn't do it against Obito because they were fighting on his turf, there were already kunai scattered. JM Madara, well maybe it had something to do with the fact that Minato currently has "1 HAND"???

His aim was to take down the entire platoon, and it's an IC battle, meaning he'll deploy certain tactics in certain scenarios. Minato's special attack probably only works against immobilized opponents, bearing in mind that he only decided to take it out when Juubito couldn't move and he hasn't used it against any of his other opponents. Minato himself says that his special attack will only be effective against Juubito while he's in his immobilized state [

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What use is paralysing Minato when his sage mode sensing is still functioning and FTG doesn't require hand signs. If there are scattered kunai and Kabuto comes in for a fatal blow while Minato is paralyzed, Minato teleports to a kunai, if Kabuto chases him to that one then he teleports to another kunai since Minato will always sense him coming. Minato can do this until the genjutsu expires, no biggie.

How's he even going to muster enough chakra to use FTG while he's in a really painful state? It's this pain that causes paralysis and pain has to be inflicted at extreme levels to cause paralysis. Furthermore, while you're paralyzed you can't activate jutsu, evidenced by Sasuke not using Susanoo to defend against Madara's attack [

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