SM Minato vs DSM Kabuto

[HNIC]

Kabuto moderate difficulty

 

[Bronze]

You misunderstood the context of my post. I was saying that all Minato has to do is ransengan a wall to get into an open urban environment that suits his FTG quite well. Minato has superior reflexes to base Kabuto, therefore, when both are in SM, Minato will be the one catching Kabuto off-guard. Bee watched from a distance at the first time. He didn't instantly respond to Minato the second time. Minato was trying to use him as a hostage, and as such, wasn't actually attacking and was most likely halting long enough for everyone to understand the situation. It's not a significant reaction feat at all considering even the fodder saw him and saw what was going on.

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[AlphaScythian]

As he runs away and throws kunai, he'll teleport outside its range once Kabuto decides to use it. Also, the hokages traveled through countries with very little time. They are definitely faster than sound.

Rofl, You dont know how fast sound travels in NV.

If that would be the case no one ever would fear sound genjutsu lol. Even sasuke and itachi would outrun that in this case.

Man you're such bias.

Minato loses as sure as he got no arms U_U

 

[Sennin of Logic]

What? How is he going to evade anything when he's paralyzed by that or Sound Genjutsu? Don't give me the biting lip crap, two Sharingana users had to use Genjutsu on each other to free themselves.

You act as if that's impossible to evade. It's not. All the hokages have demonstrated supersonic speed by traveling from konoha to the leaf in such little time. Sound won't even catch up to Minato. You're also assuming Kabuto goes for sound genjutsu right of the bat. Also, a flute could easily be overpowered by the sound of a boss toad yelling.

 

[Joker]

You act as if that's impossible to evade. It's not. All the hokages have demonstrated supersonic speed by traveling from konoha to the leaf in such little time. Sound won't even catch up to Minato. You're also assuming Kabuto goes for sound genjutsu right of the bat. Also, a flute could easily be overpowered by the sound of a boss toad yelling.

Blue: Dude, just stop, the intent is to kill
Red: Did I not say white rage? How does he overpower that?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Rofl, You dont know how fast sound travels in NV.

If that would be the case no one ever would fear sound genjutsu lol. Even sasuke and itachi would outrun that in this case.

Man you're such bias.

Minato loses as sure as he got no arms U_U

You're bending physics in favor of your conclusion and you have the gall to call me biased! Not all ninjas can travel at supersonic speeds. Sasuke and Itachi probably didn't realize it was a genjutsu until it took full effect. Either A. We're running on all Intel, in which case, Minato will do whatever it takes to prevent Kabuto at all costs. Or B. neither has intel,, and genjutsu is not Kabuto's first choice.

Blue: Dude, just stop, the intent is to kill
Red: Did I not say white rage? How does he overpower that?

He had nothing keeping him from wanting to kill Itachi, yet he didn't use it immediately now did he? White rage probably is only effective in enclosed areas since it's similar to a flashbang by the looks of it. That and the fact that Kabuto did not like the idea of fighting in an open area.... SM might not cancel out all of its effects, but the fact that Minato's body would be enhanced would at the very least, give high resistance to white rage.

 

[AlphaScythian]

You act as if that's impossible to evade. It's not. All the hokages have demonstrated supersonic speed by traveling from konoha to the leaf in such little time. Sound won't even catch up to Minato. You're also assuming Kabuto goes for sound genjutsu right of the bat. Also, a flute could easily be overpowered by the sound of a boss toad yelling.

Plz NV is probably less then 100 by 100 km. Their total military force is 80 000 ****ing thousands. Its no countries by our standards.

Why would flute get overpowered by toads? Cuz you wish so?

You're bending physics in favor of your conclusion and you have the gall to call me biased! Not all ninjas can travel at supersonic speeds. Sasuke and Itachi probably didn't realize it was a genjutsu until it took full effect. Either A. We're running on all Intel, in which case, Minato will do whatever it takes to prevent Kabuto at all costs. Or B. neither has intel,, and genjutsu is not Kabuto's first choice.

Why genjutsu wouldnt be a 1st choise of kabuto? If he was to hype minato like you do he sure would go genjutsu.

W/e the intel minato may have he has no counter for sound genjutsu, and dont say FTG+ w/e it takes brain dead zombie not to side step spread out kunais U_U

 

[Nattana]

Lol, Minato wankers now claim that he could outrun sound. Gg no re.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Plz NV is probably less then 100 by 100 km. Their total military force is 80 000 ****ing thousands. Its no countries by our standards.

Why would flute get overpowered by toads? Cuz you wish so?

I'm just listing possibilities. I'm not dedicating myself to this, so I'm not even really trying. But...... Explain this, how's Kauto going to use it if Minato uses shadow clone jutsu to have a clone keep him at bay while he sets up his kunai?

Sigh, a single village provides the army. The villages are a small part of huge nations. These are countries and are large.

Lol, Minato wankers now claim that he could outrun sound. Gg no re.

Don't tell me you think that if Kakashi can intercept lighting, which is 200+ times the speed of sound that you don't think top-tier ninjas when it comes to speed can't go supersonic do you? If that's the case, you're not using logic at all, but are used to a trump card and don't like the fact that I'm finding ways around it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I'm just listing possibilities. I'm not dedicating myself to this, so I'm not even really trying. But...... Explain this, how's Kauto going to use it if Minato uses shadow clone jutsu to have a clone keep him at bay while he sets up his kunai?

What? Thats wasted time on minato part right there! With starting distance of 15m him and clone start belly dancing for kabuto.

Sigh, a single village provides the army. The villages are a small part of huge nations. These are countries and are large.

The hell you talk about? They walk to another country. THEY FREAKING WALK. Thats how small NV is.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Kabuto stomps

 

[Joker]

You're bending physics in favor of your conclusion and you have the gall to call me biased! Not all ninjas can travel at supersonic speeds. Sasuke and Itachi probably didn't realize it was a genjutsu until it took full effect. Either A. We're running on all Intel, in which case, Minato will do whatever it takes to prevent Kabuto at all costs. Or B. neither has intel,, and genjutsu is not Kabuto's first choice.





He had nothing keeping him from wanting to kill Itachi, yet he didn't use it immediately now did he? White rage probably is only effective in enclosed areas since it's similar to a flashbang by the looks of it. That and the fact that Kabuto did not like the idea of fighting in an open area.... SM might not cancel out all of its effects, but the fact that Minato's body would be enhanced would at the very least, give high resistance to white rage.

Bold; that's against a Rinnegan user, Kabuto isn't all for fighting against a Rinnegan user in an open area, your point?
Red; it's going to enhance it so his bones don't rub together....? No.
Cyan; Itachi was an Edo-Tensei, these are totally different circumstances; no use comparing them.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

What? Thats wasted time on minato part right there! With starting distance of 15m him and clone start belly dancing for kabuto.

The hell you talk about? They walk to another country. THEY FREAKING WALK. Thats how small NV is.

Show me actual walking to another country within a small amount of time. If you're referring to "reunion's guidance" chapter, the ninjas are running, and these ninjas are far above normal human limits.


SM Minato would definitely be able to close the distance. His speed is leagues above Kabuto's Don't kid yourself. There's also throwing kunai at him and immediately teleporting to him afterwards. It's by no means impossible to close a 15m distance.

Bold; that's against a Rinnegan user, Kabuto isn't all for fighting against a Rinnegan user in an open area, your point?
Red; it's going to enhance it so his bones don't rub together....? No.
Cyan; Itachi was an Edo-Tensei, these are totally different circumstances; no use comparing them.

Other than summons, rinnegan abilities aren't hampered at all by a small environment. You can't deny that Kabuto's abilities depend on the environment. It's a manga fact.

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Hm, let's see, all of his body is enhanced including flesh. The flesh is strengthened to the extent that not even landing on spikes can penetrate, so yeah it will provide resistance, not 100%, but it will enable him to resist.

Itachi being an edo supports my point all the more. Kabuto had no reason to hold back, meaning sound genjutsu was not his first choice.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Show me actual walking to another country within a small amount of time. If you're referring to "reunion's guidance" chapter, the ninjas are running, and these ninjas are far above normal human limits.

Danzo walked from konoha to summit. How much it took him? A day? Half?

SM Minato would definitely be able to close the distance. His speed is leagues above Kabuto's Don't kid yourself. There's also throwing kunai at him and immediately teleporting to him afterwards. It's by no means impossible to close a 15m distance.

You better chose which one is faster here minato or kunais. Not even Ay can blitz some1 from 15m. He simply has no such feat, yet alone minato gonna trump him at actual speed?

Kunais from 15m dont come as surprise to any one either, much less SM kabuto, who dodged susanoo arrow.

 

[Joker]

Show me actual walking to another country within a small amount of time. If you're referring to "reunion's guidance" chapter, the ninjas are running, and these ninjas are far above normal human limits.


SM Minato would definitely be able to close the distance. His speed is leagues above Kabuto's Don't kid yourself. There's also throwing kunai at him and immediately teleporting to him afterwards. It's by no means impossible to close a 15m distance.




Other than summons, rinnegan abilities aren't hampered at all by a small environment. You can't deny that Kabuto's abilities depend on the environment. It's a manga fact.

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Hm, let's see, all of his body is enhanced including flesh. The flesh is strengthened to the extent that not even landing on spikes can penetrate, so yeah it will provide resistance, not 100%, but it will enable him to resist.

Itachi being an edo supports my point all the more. Kabuto had no reason to hold back, meaning sound genjutsu was not his first choice.

Not all of his abilities rely on his environment, hence Kidomaru, Sakon, Udon, Tayuya, Suigetsu, Karin, Juugo.
Minato can still be pieced, we don't even know the full extent of his sage mode to be honest, he'll be pierced just like Naruto was pinned down by Pein.
Kabuto did have reason to hold back, his intent was to NOT kill Sasuke (which was hindering his plans, as seeing Sasuke kept interfering with Itachi's capture). The intent is to kill, so therefore I think we have the right to bring out techniques right off the bat, unless stated otherwise by the OP.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Danzo walked from konoha to summit. How much it took him? A day? Half?



You better chose which one is faster here minato or kunais. Not even Ay can blitz some1 from 15m. He simply has no such feat, yet alone minato gonna trump him at actual speed?

Kunais from 15m dont come as surprise to any one either, much less SM kabuto, who dodged susanoo arrow.

I realized that the supersonic speed argument is flawed, not because of what any of you said but I forgot to take into account that Kabuto would chase him, boosting his sound's speed.

Lol, Minato is the one throwing the kunais, so its speed depends on him. It won't make Kabuto surprised, but it will close the distance in an instant.


I'm not going to even argue about this anymore, so I'll end this. Ma and Pa are allowed, so frog song will interfere with any sound genjutsu since it's sound vs sound. Minato is much faster than Kabuto. With clones and FTG, he can easily keep Kabuto occupied and catch him off guard. Even Itachi caught Kabuto off guard with clones. Minato can mark the territory when his clones occupy Kabuto, giving him escape points. None of Kabuto's attacks are enough to catch him, especially not with clones. Kabuto's not fast enough to stop Minato from setting up escape points. Senjutsu enhancement on the body makes white rage less effective. It won't work well in an open environment.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I'm not going to even argue about this anymore, so I'll end this. Ma and Pa are allowed, so frog song will interfere with any sound genjutsu since it's sound vs sound.

So what are you saying? If you yell and i yell we dont hear each other? Im pretty sure its aint so unless we yell so loud our ears bleed.
Kabuto has counter to sound so he wins.

Clones, kunais and other set up shit you have to put on actual schedule you say like it doesnt waste time. All kabuto has to do is get his flute out and start blowing some air.

 

[Unorthodox]

dsm kabuto med diff max

 

[Curse Mark]

reading this thread for the most part especially the past page or two really ruined my day. wtf is even coming out of their mouths

 

[~Sky~]

Hard to say, the limits of Minato's SM are unexplored