Naruto doesn't need clones to whoop Kabtuos ass.
The clone still one shots while the real Naruto sips on some Lipton tea.
Only by overrating him.
How you go by intel decides the factor, when we factor they whole move set overall, to a limited Naruto still winning Lol
-Naruto gets overwhelm CQC once DNA is out.
-Zero counter to Dorō Dōmu
- Impossible to make a CFRS under these conditions.
And FRS gets dodged or block with Gold armor.
-No, he doesn't.
-:lol you mean the same tech that Pt 1 Naruto and friends broke out of?
-Not really. Not like it's needed to obliterate him.
-If Naruto gets close first? No, it's not dodged. If he does what he did to Raikage to Kabuto? No, it's not dodged. If he lets it explode near him? No, it's not dodged.
Gold armor? When you got the feats that let it block FRS, get back to me. That hyperbole blocks all chakra nonsense isn't gonna fly here.
Multiple hands that he needs to parry cause of chakra scapel? And he can't parry them either? Plus Kimmi's Taijutsu support? Parasite? Should I go on?
Yup, not only is it not relevant that it was part 1, since its being powered with SM, but feats of Naruto being capable of breaking out of it is zero.
Yes really, its too heavy for Naruto to move around with it. And canon feats charge time = getting interrupted
Naruto cant even imput Shishun when forming a Rasengan so that scenario is hardly possible. Kabuto is a sensor and superior reflexes then Raikage, he doesnt need to stand and dodge it in one spot. He will be as smart as Edo Chiyo and Kimmi and evade the whole spot all together. Since its not being used with Shishun.
I dont need feats, I can go by its statement, let alone powered by SM. The armor blocks the chakra needles and Kabuto tanks the explosion.
1. Multiple hands that he can easily evade due to KCM and SM speed and reaction boosts, or hands that he can outright overpower with Rasengan and variants via chakra arms.
2. Nope. When you get evidence that it can hold Naruto w/ a simple SM boost when Pt 1 Naruto and friends wrecked it before then we can talk about this. Learn how to debate. We don't take another
3. Interrupted by what again? :lol. Whatever, doesn't matter.
4. Baseless assumption and disproven by canon where he Shunshin'd behind Raikage and tossed FRS in his back. Kabuto being superior to Raikage in reaction speed is irrelevant when KCSM Naruto>>Raikage in speed and reactions
5. Stopped taking you seriously at the bold. Half your points consist of taking fodder techniques from Pt 1, and saying they work on KCM Naruto and his attacks because "lol SM". When Gold Armor has a feat besides getting wrecked by 64 palms, then we can talk about it taking FRS.
Though this extremely biased argumentation for Kabuto doesn't surprise me. Not one bit.
Chakra arms doesnt have strike speed feats to overpower him.
But your premise is faulty reason. Naruto was a non factor, the jutsus he wanted to use to break the barrier is absorbed. So its not getting wrecked by him at all.
Um what? I didnt say that, I said he can't simultaneously use Shisuin with FRS.
Faulty reasoning again. The reason I said it doesn't need the feats provided to counter FRS because it already canonically counter chakra needles. The explosion itself is not relevant, and will definitely not block it for Kabuto.
1. Pretty sure it was broken when it fell off.Lol manga said its was blocked and your saying 64 palm rekt it. The armor works like sweat glands it was shed off, not removed by Juuken.
P.S. Gold armor feats> KCM/SM durability.
KCM/SM gets rekt by Juuken
KCM/SM gets rekt by FRS
Gold armor blocked Juuken
Lol, is this guy claiming Naruto<Kabuto in CQC? KCM Naruto=Itachi in CQC. Itachi>>>Base Kabuto in CQC since Itachi had a 5 while Kabuto had a 3.5 in Taijutsu.
Add in the fact that Naruto has far more Sage chakra then Kabuto does given his far larger reserves and his boost in SM is larger then Kabuto's. So now he's>>>>>DSM Kabuto by scaling. Let's also not forget clones, chakra arms, higher durability, superior sensing due to negative emotion sensing and SM sensing, much, much faster, superior strength, etc.
Strike speed and overpowering don't go in the same category. :lol If Kabuto attacks, he gets overpowered. The only way he doesn't is if chakra scalpel>Rasengan, or he's so fast that he tags Naruto before Naruto can react.
No, it's not. Why don't you cut the wank already?
1. The barrier doesn't absorb chakra from jutsu. It absorbs chakra from the people inside.
2. Even w/o jutsu, Naruto's physical attacks in Kyuubi Sage Mode when using chakra arms are FAR above anything that the wall has ever blocked. Naruto easily breaks out of it with zero effort.
3. He can't even catch Naruto in it, something you probably didn't think I'd mention since you never bothered to explain how Kabuto catches him.
Which. Is. Baseless. Once again.
Lol terrible reasoning. FRS>>>>Whatever chakra needle is canonically countered, thus Gold Armor does not block FRS.
1. Pretty sure it was broken when it fell off.
2. Doesn't change your point.
Shit logic that doesn't prove anything. This amounts to you saying Gold Armor tanks FRS because it's more durable than KCM and because it blocked a much weaker attack.
How is this not a stomp? KCM Naruto was already at the level or above Kabuto arguably, adding SM just makes this an easy victory.
Lol, is this guy claiming Naruto<Kabuto in CQC? KCM Naruto=Itachi in CQC. Itachi>>>Base Kabuto in CQC since Itachi had a 5 while Kabuto had a 3.5 in Taijutsu. .
SMH. Naruto also had 3.5 in Tajutsu, while Kabuto faced Tsunade with 2.5 in Taijutsu when she had 5. And at the same time KCM doesn't give you a Taijutsu boost. So you made no point here.
At this point Naruto Taijutsu increase in Pain arc training (because of SM training). And Kabuto behind the scenes, training with his new body[You must be registered for see links] and senjutsu training. So even then their skills increase during that time frame.
Plus I factored Kabuto utilizing D'N'A along with CQC as it's much more dangerous then just engaging with just chakra scalpel like he did to Itachi. Something Itachi would get the same treatment against too, but thats for another thread.
Having more chakra is irrelevant. Juugo's DNA enables him to to keep Sage on a "charger". So even if Naruto has 100 percent "battery" while Kabuto has 50%, it doesn't matter since Naruto's battery will eventually run out before Kabuto's "battery" thats keeps charging at 50%.
@Bold: Baseless claim, SM boost doesn't go by reserves. It was never ever implied.
@Underline: Clones? Who cares they can be taken care of, let alone 1. Manda 2 rekts if anything. Or Kabuto uses clones too balence it out, while were at it (base off DB).
Chakra arms? Only usefulness it had in the manga was to surprise the opponent cause of its unexpected hit box.
Higher durability? Not relevant to Kabuto's move-sets.
uperior sense? Fine. Still doesnt determine the match when looking at overall moveset, to someone who has 90% of his arsenal restricted.
Speed? Only his body flicker is a temporal threat, and doesnt determine the match when looking at overall moveset, to someone who has 90% of his arsenal restricted.
Strength? Having Jirobo's talents and abilitiles puts them in rivalry or superior then Naruto.
Now your overrating Kabuto completely here.
Itachi does beat base Kabuto in a cqc fight since he didn't have a problem fighting DSM Kabuto in cqc. Your explanation is completely terrible though. Gated gai has a 5 in Taijutsu does that mean him and Itachi are equal nope. DB Taijutsu stats are pointless to even bring up.
1. Didnt imply it did, you know damn well of that. absorbing chakra from people = Naruto not being able to form Rasengan.
2. Being stronger attack isn't the reason why p1 characters broke out of the barrier. Breaking the wall was not their problem, the regeneration process is what messed them up. So no, not with feats its not going to shatter the dome by simply punching it. Even then, nothing is stopping Kabuto using Muki Tensei to bind his movements via crushing him. Or sending Bone forest underneath.
3. Muki Tensei or Jirobo palm quake would be capable of loosing his footing.
Whatever. All of his fights, forming Rasengan doesn't move the same speed as his body flicker.
No evidence for your claim of superiority.
1. Nope
2. Yes it does, you claim it was destroyed by 64 palm. Thats false. You claim that FRS needles are superior then Juuken needles. No evidence for that claim.
I said Gold armor tanks the needles. The wind gale of FRS never destroyed a persons body so, at best it will destroy the armor while Kabuto recovers, with safe chakra network.
The stats are what the stats are fam. Naruto and Kabuto having the same stats means after SM they'd be roughly equal had Naruto not learned Frog Kata (making him more proficient in fighting then Kabuto). Then you add in KCM boost and you realise he stomps. And I do very much hope I did not just read the bold. KCM increased Naruto's reaction speed to the point where he could evade v2 Ay's Shunshin. That's a huge factor in CQC. KCM gives Naruto the ability to sense chakra and negative emotions, second boost. Chakra arms effectively allow him to overwhelm his opponent with numbers and power. KCM increases his speed dramatically since he's utilising the Kyuubi's chakra rather then his own. Just like getting Rikudo chakra amplifies all your stats; reaction speed, movement speed, ninjutsu, striking speed, etc. Kyuubi's chakra also amplifi all your stats. So Naruto's striking speed definitely improved hugely. Durability would also be a large factor, he took the steam kick to the face without actual damage, he took Ay's punches with no damage, etc. Next up is strength where KCM Naruto was capable of keeping the Yonbi's mouth from closing on him with pure strength. Please don't spout bullshit like this again.
Naruto only needs to have his clone close its eyes for 1 seconds and go poof. Now Naruto is once again far superior to Kabuto. Being an infinitely lasting battery with 5 amps is inferior to a continuously rechargeable battery with 100 amps.
It doesn't need to be implied, more Senjutsu chakra means greater boost. It's called logic.
How are clones ever even being touched lmao? They have SM sensing and KCM+SM reaction speed. Far faster then Kabuto. Extremely durable. They are not being dealt with in any possible way. COFRS one shots Manda II and we're back to square one. And Kabuto has clones? Since when? As far as I recall the only clones he used where anime snake clones. I'll need some proof if you want to continue making this claim, and even then it's not going to make a difference when Naruto's clones are far stronger and can be made in far larger numbers.
Utilising the power of senjutsu, Kabuto is able to freely use the abilities, talents, and kekkei genkai of the shinobi whose DNA he integrates within himself. As a strategic alternative, he can instead channel their collective abilities into mindless clones, respective to each shinobi, that are generated through his naval snake.
What? It's an additional limb. It shits on Kabuto in CQC any day of the week due to its immense strength..
Actually, very relevant. Bones aren't affecting Naruto, he'll have a far harder time putting him down.
Kabuto can't do shit with his overall move set since it's all countered by Naruto. Please tell me what you are suggesting is putting Naruto down as a part of his overall match-up because I guarantee you nothing will.
Don't need to say the same thing over and over. Anyways, Naruto's Shunshin is still a huge factor in every fight whether you like it or not.
Lol what? He doesn't have Jirobo's strength.
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How am I overrating Kabuto? I said KCM Naruto can beat him, let alone KCSM Naruto.Now your overrating Kabuto completely here.
How am I overrating Kabuto? I said KCM Naruto can beat him, let alone KCSM Naruto.