SM Jiraiya vs Tobirama

[super yang]

J wins, as he has real substance...

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

How will Jiraiya beat Tobirama?

 

[Gold Lightning]

Tobirama wins, mid-high diff.
He's got the elemental advantage, would have no trouble reacting to Jiraiya, is smarter and if it comes to that he's got a nuke bigger than a boss summon.

Senjutsu enhanced Fire, Earth, Water and Wind. How does Tobirama have the elemental advantage lol

 

[RicardoA]

Senjutsu enhanced Fire, Earth, Water and Wind. How does Tobirama have the elemental advantage lol

Lel, you're right. I was only thinking about Jiraiya for some reason >_>
That's not what would earn Tobirama the win anyway.

 

[Gamaken]

Tobirama isn't going to win cqc, what with frog kumite and sm sensing. Jiraiya wins imo.

 

[LuckyMan]

How will Jiraiya beat Tobirama?

The question is how does Tobirama defeat Jiraiya. SM enhances his body to a point where getting his throat crushed and his left arm torn off didn't kill him so the "FTG SLASH" argument is not going to cut it here. Jiraiya is also durable without SM, as he still managed to move with 6 Ridoku spikes in his heart/back etc even when those spikes stop all movement. Those same spikes pinned down Hashirama and Tobirama permanently, but not Jiraiya to a degree.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Jiraiya shits. Sound genjutsu ends him and he has no way of taking out all 3 boss summonings.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

The question is how does Tobirama defeat Jiraiya. SM enhances his body to a point where getting his throat crushed and his left arm torn off didn't kill him so the "FTG SLASH" argument is not going to cut it here. Jiraiya is also durable without SM, as he still managed to move with 6 Ridoku spikes in his heart/back etc even when those spikes stop all movement. Those same spikes pinned down Hashirama and Tobirama permanently, but not Jiraiya to a degree.

He got his throat crushed, how does durability factor into this? He got his left arm torn off, how does durability factor into this? Tobirama cuts through him just like how Sasuke cut through Madara's arm, and Madara actually has impressive SM durability feats unlike Jiraiya.
And again, how is moving while having 6 Rikudo spikes in his back a feat of durability?

Tobirama literally had a rod in his head lol, Hashirama was also able to move because he gave Sasuke some of his chakra.

 

[ARGUS]

Tobirama still wins this,

--He can use his KB and can mark his kunais as the battle proceeds on, thus enabling him to use FTG to evade most of jiraiyas attacks

--Tobirama proceeds Jiraiya at CQC as his speed and reflexes are still vastly superior to SM Jiraiya, and can proceed to mark jiraiya, and once that happens jiraiya is done for through hiraishingiri

 

[blazekev90]

Tobirama still wins this,

--He can use his KB and can mark his kunais as the battle proceeds on, thus enabling him to use FTG to evade most of jiraiyas attacks

--Tobirama proceeds Jiraiya at CQC as his speed and reflexes are still vastly superior to SM Jiraiya, and can proceed to mark jiraiya, and once that happens jiraiya is done for through hiraishingiri

Ftg can't counter genjutsu. Swamp has been portrayed to appear instantly, with no limitation. That'll be a problem for Tobimara.

Pa&Ma as an extra pair of eyes and sensing allow Jman to predict his movements/hand speed and counter.

 

[ARGUS]

Ftg can't counter genjutsu. Swamp has been portrayed to appear instantly, with no limitation. That'll be a problem for Tobimara.

Pa&Ma as an extra pair of eyes and sensing allow Jman to predict his movements/hand speed and counter.

How is jiraiya prepping frog song, when tobirama is an FTG user and would confront him at CQC???
not to mention that tobiramas shunshin alone is too much for jiraiyaa regardlesss of SM,

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and lost his arm,
Tobiramas shunshin alone is superior to Shurado by quite a margin,
Frog Call can also be evaded with FTG, due to the jutsus range, and the effect being not as quick thereby allowing tobirama to evade it before it immobilises him,

moreover, tobirama isnt stupid to leave behind his main moveset (FTG and KB) and attack Jiraiya without any backup,
he can use his KB to place markings outside the AOE, thus enabling him to evade most of jiraiyas attacks,
and having ma&pa as an extra pair of eyes is still not that helpful due to the fact that Jiraiya is still too slow and cant prevent himself from getting marked,

Yomi Numa being ''appeared instantly and without limitation'' is just wrong and no-limits fallacy

 

[Scooby Doo]

SM Jiraiya .

 

[Conspirator.]

Tobirama wins mid diff. He can use his FTG slash to put an end to Jiraiya. He can also create kagebunshins who both use FTG as well. (by marking kunai's) Also, Jiriaya does not have perfect SM, so he doesn't have SM sensing or Frog Katas the way Naruto does.

 

[copyninKakashi]

@Bold.
Pls proof.

I can't but we know that from Anbu squad and what he show to us. And this is not full power Tobirama.

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[NSUNSR]

I can't but we know that from Anbu squad and what he show to us. And this is not full power Tobirama.

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Dude, this only happened in the Anime. Rewatch the battle from the manga.

 

[Unorthodox]

Jiraiya stomps 1 giant Katon gg

Tobirama still wins this,

--He can use his KB and can mark his kunais as the battle proceeds on, thus enabling him to use FTG to evade most of jiraiyas attacks

--Tobirama proceeds Jiraiya at CQC as his speed and reflexes are still vastly superior to SM Jiraiya, and can proceed to mark jiraiya, and once that happens jiraiya is done for through hiraishingiri

Yes because jiraiya is going to sit there while Tobirama's bushin run out size his Aoe fights starts giant katon roast tobirama gg

 

[Nattana]

I can't but we know that from Anbu squad and what he show to us. And this is not full power Tobirama.

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Wow. Re-read the manga. Some fodder Anbu praised Tobirama for being able to use Suiton without water source. Now look at what Mei or Kisame can do without water sources as well. Tobirama simply is proficient in Suiton but that's it. Don't give him more credit than he actually deserves.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Tobirama still wins this,

--He can use his KB and can mark his kunais as the battle proceeds on, thus enabling him to use FTG to evade most of jiraiyas attacks

--Tobirama proceeds Jiraiya at CQC as his speed and reflexes are still vastly superior to SM Jiraiya, and can proceed to mark jiraiya, and once that happens jiraiya is done for through hiraishingiri

He has no counter for sound genjutsu. Gamabunta fire aoe will scorch him and his clones(His running speed hasn't been shown to be impressive).

 

[Ansatsuken]

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Jiraiya to tricky for him
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Location: Jiraiya vs Pain
Intel: Manga (basically Jiraiya probably knows Tobirama uses FTG and suiton while Tobirama knows nothing since he is from before Jiraiya's time)
Conditions: Jiraiya starts in SM with Ma and Pa on his shoulders. Tobirama is not edo and doesn't have pre-marked kunai.
Restrictions: Edo Tensei
Starting Distance: 40 meters

Feats wise Jiraya win

Until tobirama showing his feats, he lost this battle

 

[Inert Brian]

Hahha people think Tobirama wins.


Remember when Tobirama attempted an FTG snipe on SM Madara? SM sensing + art of raging lions mane = gg Tobirama.