SM Jiraiya vs the Akatsuki (individually)

[Demonic.]

He beats them all except my man Tobi and draws/both die fighting Itachi. A strong opponent will push Itachi to death since he was ill.

 

[Nattana]

You think that Jiraiya in Sage Mode can't beat Oro without ET? Not bashing I'm just curious to know why you think that.

Yes I do. Overall, Orochimaru is on a whole another level compared to Jiraya. The only thing posing a threat would be Frog Genjutsu, but sadly the location is not J-man vs Pain and Orochimaru can simply Fuuton them up and make frogs useless for the rest of the fight.

Orochimaru has at least 3 ways of poisoning Jiraya, is superior in speed. They both canonically fought many times and Jiraya lost evey single time to Orochimaru. He has no way around Oro's regeneration, especially in his 8branches form which is regeneration itself.
Orochimaru also has tons of defensive/mobility/mitigation techniques so at the very end, he can easily exchange hits with Jiraya, which is something J-man can't do

I don't feel like writing a very long post, but there's much more to it. Orochimaru was portrayed as a stronger one out of them and it was proved in manga.

 

[Dantesco]

With Itachi could go either way.

He could beat Pain in certains localizations (open field is a no-no) with intel

Orochimaru without ET is not that much, in a fair combat he will lose against SM jiraiya

Obito is too strong, even if he do something obito would just use izanagi

 

[Selan]

100 White Zetsu + Konan = Jiraiya wins
Deidara (no C0) = Jiraiya wins or loses because of C4
Sasori = Jiraiya wins
Hidan + Kakuzu = Jiraiya wins
Kisame = It could go either way
Itachi = Itachi wins
Orochimaru (no ET or Zetsu body) = Jiraiya wins
6 Paths of Pain (*WITH FULL INTEL) = Pain wins
Obito (MS) = Obito wins

 

[VongolaX]

No. Although the sanbi can break yagura out of genjutsu, yagura can't break out the sanbi. whereas it works both ways with Ma/Pa/Jiraiya.

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If you're a perfect jinchuuriki, the Sanbi is the one that breaks you out of the genjustu...

not the host <---Otherwise you wouldn't be a perfect jinchuuriki.

There is no way ma, pa, and jiraiya are going to break a high kage/perfect jinchuuriki level genjustu.

They'll fall into it.

Obito is known for keeping more than one high level people under a genjustu:

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[Beans2]

Yes I do. Overall, Orochimaru is on a whole another level compared to Jiraya. The only thing posing a threat would be Frog Genjutsu, but sadly the location is not J-man vs Pain and Orochimaru can simply Fuuton them up and make frogs useless for the rest of the fight.

Orochimaru has at least 3 ways of poisoning Jiraya, is superior in speed. They both canonically fought many times and Jiraya lost evey single time to Orochimaru. He has no way around Oro's regeneration, especially in his 8branches form which is regeneration itself.
Orochimaru also has tons of defensive/mobility/mitigation techniques so at the very end, he can easily exchange hits with Jiraya, which is something J-man can't do

I don't feel like writing a very long post, but there's much more to it. Orochimaru was portrayed as a stronger one out of them and it was proved in manga.

I would agree with you.

...If you were talking about base Jiraiya. When in Sage Mode, Jiraiya goes up at least several tiers. His enhanced ninjutsu, chakra pool, combination with toads, versatility, etc. is increased greatly. It's strange that people only think of frog genjutsu when referring to Sage Jiraiya when in fact he's much more than that (a C-rank wind jutsu isn't going to be a factor anyway, Lol.)

Jiraiya can poison Orochimaru as well, and has better sensing, chakra reserves, reaction speed, strength, taijutsu, and even genjutsu than Orochimaru.

As for them fighting in canon many times and Jiraiya losing, that's untrue. They fought in canon twice - one was off-panel (and we don't know the winner) and in the other both were handicapped to such a degree that it was nowhere near their full power. Jiraiya remained in base, and he was drugged. Whereas the Jiraiya in this scenario starts in Sage Mode and is not drugged.

As for firepower, that is certainly something Jiraiya isn't lacking in.

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Jiraiya has at least ten ways to take down Orochimaru.

And lastly, it's a misconception that Jiraiya operates better indoors or in closed locations - he works just as well in open spaces.

While I respect your opinion and I know you are trying to defend your favorite character, I think you are underrating Jiraiya a lot.

 

[ministerC4]

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If you're a perfect jinchuuriki, the Sanbi is the one that breaks you out of the genjustu...

not the host <---Otherwise you wouldn't be a perfect jinchuuriki.

There is no way ma, pa, and jiraiya are going to break a high kage/perfect jinchuuriki level genjustu.

They'll fall into it.

Obito is known for keeping more than one high level people under a genjustu:

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Ma and pa aren't jins, stop treating them as so.
Just because hashi isnt a jin doesnt mean he isnt able to heal faster than one.
Lets give an example of something weaker with your logic if there's a stronger creature it does better than the weaker at all areas of combat healing, attacking, power, strength, speed. but that clearly isnt the case.

Get real man, this is proven often, power does not equal anything else, just as speed doesnt equal anything else.
With your logic, speed=power, power=damage, damage=healing, healing=speed.
Thats just nonsense.