[VS] SM Jiraiya (Me) vs Kakuzu (Zexion)

[Zexion~]

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[Curse Mark]

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I hope you mean bumping with a counter to the last post, unless you're still watching bleach.

 

[Zexion~]

I hope you mean bumping with a counter to the last post, unless you're still watching bleach.

XD XD I'm going to have to hold off one more day...lot of shit been going down lately...

I've talked to Eren as well

 

[Zexion~]

Read the info the distance is 20 meters which is more than enough for Jiraiya to reach Kakuzu... now I'll admit that I was wrong on this particular speed feat considering the location but these are not the only speed feats Jiraiya possesses. Here Jiraiya managed to stop animal path from using his summoning jutsu when all what was needed was a simple clap to perform it. [

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] Jiraiya also used his shunshin to get past the 3 paths of pain who were in front of him.. they weren't able to move a muscle or even react to stop him. [

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] The distance he covered is around 20 meters or most likely more. the three paths of pain wouldn't have even caught up to him if he hadn't stopped.
While he did have an imperfect sage mode it still gave a boost in every area but it probably wouldn't be as good as Naruto's considering he perfected it.

My man, again in that scan of him intercepting pain, he jumped up-wards, and actually Summoning actually takes some time, although i suppose i can give that too you. However for your Shunsin feat, please note that Kakuzu was able to do the same

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So if your going to count that as a feat. please realize Kakuzu's would have to be counted as well. Honestly when it comes down to it if Jiraiya tried speeding towards Kakuzu with a Rasengan his threads would just trap him, as they were able to restrain a Kakashi, who could do nothing to react at all not to mention he has Sharingan Pre-cog as well

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@bold Zex I just went over this with you.. -_- It was thanks to the other path watching them that he was able to react.. don't believe me? Well for one that pain was blinded so there was no way he could've reacted to it. In that same scan you used you can see animal path watching. [

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Bro, i understand but just because he was able to see Jiraiya coming doesn't neccesarily mean he had the speed to stop it? As you posted earlier Jiraiya was able to blitz pain from a closer distance with him clearly having sighted Jiraiya. So the fact still remains that the Human Path was able to react to the blitz of jiraiya easily.

Another way Jiraiya can start this fight out is to use Earth Release: Swamp of the underworld and this jutu is listed to be all ranges not that it is needed here since the distance is 20 meters. This jutsu was capable of restricting a snake summon while Jiraiya was drugged and not capable of performing his jutsu to their fullest potential.

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In his base mode Jiraiya would've been capable of sinking that snake.
Since he is in Sage Mode his ninjutsu will be boosted. Kakuzu will have no knowledge therefore he will not expect an attack that comes from below him. Since his masks aren't out already he will struggle to bring them out and if he does they will end up being in the same predicament as him and while he struggles Jiraiya can attack him with his wide arrange of Jutsu in which he will fall unless he uses Domo which will leave him incapable of moving meaning he sinks.. either way it's over. Now if by some really lucky chance he does get out (not going to happen) Jiraiya can always jump towards him get into range and have ma and pa do frog song [

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] which will paralyze him temporarily in midair and give jiraiya the chance to slam him down with rasengan to the mudhole jiraiya created again.

I legit hate this jutsu....Anyways what Kakuzu could do if this jutsu caught him is simply fire off Fuuton+Katon, or even Katon by itself would suffice in turning the mud hard (assuming you know why this would happen?) Which means Kakuzu can then simply harden his hand with domu and break out of the hardened mud

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Note that by this time the hearts would already be in the air, so it wouldn't be that hard for them not to get caught.

No where did I state that it did damage on a cellular level.. I said it would damage internally or damage internal organs So with that being said I don't really have to counter nothing here. But I will say that Kabuto can heal himself Kakuzu can't so i wonder why you bothered bringing that up and yes Kakuzu does have Organs other wise how would he live? You forgetting his hearts? So yes it will be a problem for him. The masks are located on his back [

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] and where does all the force of the rasengan come out? Yes the back. This is what a normal rasengan did.. [

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] With the Ultra Rasengan's size (bigger than a human) he should take out all the masks in one go.. this goes back to my first part of this post and my counter opening argument previously. Remember this judges.

Lol Kakuzu really doesn't have any visible organs besides the hearts, which i already said would be released

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I mean, if he did have organs and what not wouldn't they all fall out when he creates a giant hole in his back?

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Yes you can argue the threads hold them in place but, i don't see how they would accomplish this without needing to impale them first hand, could it injure the heart? Perhaps however note that unlike a normal humans it has pretty durable and heavy threads protecting it,

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Note, it was able to hold Kakuzu up as if they were a stone column. Which gives a sense of how heavy and durable they are. Not to mention they rip through flesh and bone like nothing

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But whatever Jiraiya is not making it to Kakuzu in time.

@bold This was already countered in the first part of the post so this scenario wouldn't happen until you counter the first part of my post so this scenario isn't going to happen therefore I won't bother countering for now. I will say this though.. Rasengan isn't chidori once it is formed it is self sustaining meaning it can go on unless the user decides to deactivate it or if the user gets disrupted from using it. Jiraiya's ultra rasengan will counter Kakuzu's katon considering that Naruto was able to do this with his normal rasengan. [

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This was only to show a counter if you decided to use Katon in the future.
Don't believe me? Here's a quote from the databook (no images exist in english)
"The Compressed power of rotation! Its power is ultimateness itself!

Don't compare a pitiful fire style to kakuzu's Katon which travels on the ground

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So the rotation is not going to take it off its course, it only did with Sasuke's due to it having nowhere to go, no foundation. Which is completely unlike Kakuzu's,

The compressed force of the rotation is released on the enemy. (Pic of Kabuto and Naruto)

Once the compressed highest level of chakra is released, incredible rotation and power of destruction synchronize and speed ahead.
“YAAA!!”

The shockwave moves ahead and sweeps(swirls) everything in its path and overturns the earth. Unless it collides with something in its way, there is no stoppage of its power.

If chakra that swirls like a typhoon can be maintained hand-sized, then its power does not disintegrate and its rotation and power are limitlessly produced. Upon release its power of destruction is greatly heightened. It is equivalent to having a ‘small hurricane’ in one’s hands!!"

Data book tends to hype things just so you know.

This go along the post before.. I countered your post from the beginning that would eventually lead to this so I dont believe a counter is needed here but I'll counter anyways.. Fukasaku (Pa) can simply use Sage Art: Wind Release Stream.. taking into consideration that this raition jutsu has a spearlike form and that wind is superior to lightning it would be countered by it. Well I'm guessing you'd ask "how would he anticipate it?" Well Pa himself is a sage as well so he would sense the attack coming.

Ahh but as you can see if you read the DB Page it states that Gian can be multiplied, so how is he countering two spears of lightning coming at him? Since that fuuton really is only going to be able to handle one. So he still gets hit

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Well I have nothing to correct you on as you are correct here but you did forget to mention a part of the post where I said he can still heat up internally? While he is mostly threads on the inside he still has the human hearts inside of him.. it just like an egg shell when you're cooking it. While it can withstand heat on the outside (externally) internally his inside can get cooked from the heat.

The diamond shell should still protect the indsides, as it would not allow the heat to get through...i'm pretty sure insulator is the word i'm looking for here

Got nothing to say here you got me U_U

Sorry confused the two techniques but either way my point still stands. This all assuming that he has his hearts out already and I covered the speed thing in the first part of the post.. even if the hearts were out this wouldn't matter because Jiraiya can also defend himself by covering up with this technique which is strong as steel wires and steel's burning point is 2500°F meaning he can withstand the heat and also tank futon.. for raition pa can use windstream to counter as I have said previously but this assuming that Jiraiya doesn't crush or pierce him with it in which Kakuzu would have to use Domu to counter and with this Jiraiya can use ultra rasengan to finish him off. Btw I'm sure Jiraiya's chakra infused hair is stronger than Kakuzu's thread unless you can tell how strong the threads are.

No it doesn't? Jiraiya is not going to be moving with this attack? The threads rip through bone, and can support a normal human, as i've proven earlier in my post...So yes its greater than the hair. As for your other counter's i'm assuming Jiraiya would cover up the sages as well with the Needle Jeezo, which means they won't be able to launch jutsu like you said they would. Please go take another look at the DB Page of the Fuuton i posted, its states that it causes extreme air pressure with a compacted blast...Now clearly that means whatever caught in its vicinity is getting crushed by the pressure which a shield of hair is not going to protect you from. The hair shield just makes Jiraiya a sitting target

No it is not the same as white rage that sense. In narutopedia it was just stated to release large, loud and immensely powerful sound waves that effectively annoy, distract and temporarily paralyze any afflicted targets completely. I doubt Kakuzu would use Domu before that happened considering it would happen at random and even if he did he would get by ultra rasengan considering it forms almost instantly and with his speed feats I stated above being able to reach him before the hearts get him.

That doesn't prove or dis-prove anything really. The technique clearly doesn't paralyze for long either

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notice how they were able to move their mouths, and wince from the impact. I really don't see Jiraiya making it in time before he becomes un-paralyzed

Actually it did his speed got him behind that path in his blind spot meaning without any help he would've been done for.. it was only thanks to linked sight that he was able to react. Remember this scan [

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] Kakuzu is not Pain so no he won't be able to react or counter unless he has sight of Jiraiya.

I understand this, but Jiraiya is not getting behind Kakuzu here.

What movement are you talking about? I don't see any movement.. if so I must be blind so can you circle it or crop it to where it shows that?
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] without presence That clearly shows he didn't anticipate Kakashi coming from behind.

I'm not going to circle it...Just look at his arms they move in towards his body, and clearly he turns his whole body..**** it i'm just going to circle it

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Notice how he's looking at Shikamaru and Chouji first, then he turns to Hidan.

Well if that is the case Jiraiya can always use a shadow clone to throw above kakuzu to use Food Cart Destroyer and while Jiraiya may not have much strength feats he did send a summon flying [

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] If that doesn't work he can simply summon the three toad summons who can back him up and help prepare Demonic Chant.. even Shima can summon (listed to have summoning jutsu) as well so they won't have any trouble. Any masks other masks left over can be handled by a shadow clone or Jiraiya himself as he is still able to attack himself. I doubt any mask is going to blitz or catch Jman off guard.. thats ridiculous considering Kakashi himself had to fend them off while being attacked by Hidan.. he survived for a while but since Jiraiya can use summons and shadow clones he should have no problem prepping it.

Bro all those toads are immediatly impaled by Gian, which can rip right through them, or the Fuuton mask can crush them. The summons are just too large a target for Kakuzu's jutsu. Shadow clones are not that much of a problem, J-Man hasn't shown to make much more than one i believe and since Kakuzu can see this he will know where the original is still ...And then still aim for it with his own threads

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As i've said once it is used it still takes a while, Kakuzu can go up in the air with a heart that can still fire jutsu at any toad that tries to stop this..Meanwhile he can use Domu..To tank that same jutsu so it doesn't affect him at all.
This genjutsu is not coming into this battle all that much its easily countered.

Yeah that only applied to the sages themselves not any other summons and even if what you say is true Shima can do the summoning for Jiraiya [

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] after all she is the one who summoned all of them to the leaf village when it got destroyed. Umm Demonic Chant is listed all ranges.. :| and considering the location no matter how far Kakuzu goes in it he is still getting caught unless you want to say he flees from the location which is a forfeit.. even if he tries to run he is not faster than sound so he is getting caught. Ma and Pa jumped over the summons and still got them with frog song [

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] refer to the lower left corner. I don't see why Demonic Chant can't do the same. Once Kakuzu is caught it is over until Jiraiya decides to release it or until he gives the finishing blow.. if the masks try to bury themselves under the ground he uses Earth Release: Swamp of the underworld.. if they try flying the summons can jump to catch them or pa can use jutsu like wind stream to slice them into pieces.. either way the masks are not beating Jiraiya and his toad summons and they will eventually lose.

Summons can jump sure, however what stops them from getting blasted with jutsu? I mean look what a mere ST did to them

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Not saying Kakuzu's fuuton would do that exactly but it should still have some effect and negate them from catching the hearts, the Katon can block the view of the toad at least if not burn it severely, I've already countered that Swamp jutsu, Bro, do you know how sound works? Its not going to travel more then 50 feet maximum...Thats just how everything works my man, Demonic Sound chant is not affecting someone that far away...That's like saying it would of affected Konan :| Or the other paths who were clearly nearby

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Anyway's Kakuzu's massive jutsu eventually overpower Jiraiya and end him with any one of them Tbh... sorry this is so short and a bit sloppy, as i've discussed with Eren i have been ext. busy with RL

 

[Murasame]

Hmm I see you've replied finally.. well for the ones who haven't read the edited OP I may or may not reply to this post but if I am it will be this weekend and if I haven't by that time then judges can start making their pick as to who won since this was Zexion's last post.

For some reason I can't edit the OP but Prince Charles is now a judge for this debate.

 

[Headmaster]

For some reason I can't edit the OP but Prince Charles is now a judge for this debate.

You can't edit your post when a substantial amount of time pass

Now let me go through this debate and see who is the winner. ^_^

 

[Murasame]

My man, again in that scan of him intercepting pain, he jumped up-wards, and actually Summoning actually takes some time, although i suppose i can give that too you. However for your Shunsin feat, please note that Kakuzu was able to do the same

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So if your going to count that as a feat. please realize Kakuzu's would have to be counted as well. Honestly when it comes down to it if Jiraiya tried speeding towards Kakuzu with a Rasengan his threads would just trap him, as they were able to restrain a Kakashi, who could do nothing to react at all not to mention he has Sharingan Pre-cog as well

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Sure Kakuzu can shunshin.. anyone can but why shunshin when he won't know where his opponent is? For all he knows he can fall into a trap.. besides since I mentioned it first Jiraiya will shunshin first which will leave Kakuzu confused like bee was against Itachi trying to find out where he's coming from. [

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Unless Kakuzu possess sensing he won't know where he's coming from. I'd like to add that the distance in that fight is similar to the distance to in this match up. As for the rest of your post Jiraiya won't need to worry about the threads because he has Pa on his shoulder who can perform Sage Art: Wind Release Stream to slice the threads.. Remember pa himself is a sage therefore he can using his sensing to anticipate the threads. As I said Jiraiya ends this with Ultra Rasengan ending the match.

Bro, i understand but just because he was able to see Jiraiya coming doesn't neccesarily mean he had the speed to stop it? As you posted earlier Jiraiya was able to blitz pain from a closer distance with him clearly having sighted Jiraiya. So the fact still remains that the Human Path was able to react to the blitz of jiraiya easily.

He didn't really need speed.. with the other path's watching he could prepare in time to counter so irrelevant. Like I said Kakuzu doesn't possess this advantage so if he doesn't have Jiraiya in his sights he's going to get hit. Kakuzu doesn't have any highly notable reaction feats from what I see.. he relies on Domu a lot if you ask me.

I legit hate this jutsu....Anyways what Kakuzu could do if this jutsu caught him is simply fire off Fuuton+Katon, or even Katon by itself would suffice in turning the mud hard (assuming you know why this would happen?) Which means Kakuzu can then simply harden his hand with domu and break out of the hardened mud

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Note that by this time the hearts would already be in the air, so it wouldn't be that hard for them not to get caught.

Lol my bad bro but I gotta do what I gotta do sorry if you hate the jutsu. Lol this all assuming that Kakuzu knows whats going to happen which he doesn't so he'll be caught in this jutsu along with the masks still in him.. I doubt they'll be able to use any jutsu in the mud considering how thick it is and how they'd be taking the mud in once the mask open their mouths.. sorry kakuzu is finished in this scenario as well.

Lol Kakuzu really doesn't have any visible organs besides the hearts, which i already said would be released

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I mean, if he did have organs and what not wouldn't they all fall out when he creates a giant hole in his back?

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Yes you can argue the threads hold them in place but, i don't see how they would accomplish this without needing to impale them first hand, could it injure the heart? Perhaps however note that unlike a normal humans it has pretty durable and heavy threads protecting it,

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Note, it was able to hold Kakuzu up as if they were a stone column. Which gives a sense of how heavy and durable they are. Not to mention they rip through flesh and bone like nothing

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But whatever Jiraiya is not making it to Kakuzu in time.

Either that or Kishi didn't think too much about Kakuzu's body structure.. well whatever all Jiraiya really needs to take out are his hearts.
Jiraiya will make in time see as how I proved in the beginning of the post.. those threads will be a non factor seeing as how Pa can use Fighting Tongue Slash [

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] to cut through the threads if they try to grapple Jiraiya.. this leaves Kakuzu open for Ultra Rasengan which again ends this match in one go. Also if you don't think it's strong enough that jutsu tore a hole in the bedrock and through metal pipes not to mention it split the ground.

Don't compare a pitiful fire style to kakuzu's Katon which travels on the ground

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So the rotation is not going to take it off its course, it only did with Sasuke's due to it having nowhere to go, no foundation. Which is completely unlike Kakuzu's,

The compressed force of the rotation is released on the enemy. (Pic of Kabuto and Naruto)


Data book tends to hype things just so you know.

Okay remember that Jiraiya has ma and pa.. if that is the case both of them can use water jutsu to lower it's effect and then have Jiraiya use rasengan to stop the fire just around him.. jiraiya just has to stick the ultra rasengan (twice his size) in front of him which will cover the ground and up dispersing the flames like I said here.

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Ahh but as you can see if you read the DB Page it states that Gian can be multiplied, so how is he countering two spears of lightning coming at him? Since that fuuton really is only going to be able to handle one. So he still gets hit

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Simple not much thought has to be put into this.. he shoots this wind jutsu continuously without stopping for a limited time.. he can simply sway his head left and right to get both.

The diamond shell should still protect the indsides, as it would not allow the heat to get through...i'm pretty sure insulator is the word i'm looking for here

I doubt it.. I know it's a weird example but when you're cooking an egg while it still has it's shell it's insides still get cooked even though it's not affected externally.. as far as I know Kakuzu doesn't turn his inside into diamond so I still think he'll get cooked from the inside but let's let the judges decide.

No it doesn't? Jiraiya is not going to be moving with this attack? The threads rip through bone, and can support a normal human, as i've proven earlier in my post...So yes its greater than the hair. As for your other counter's i'm assuming Jiraiya would cover up the sages as well with the Needle Jeezo, which means they won't be able to launch jutsu like you said they would. Please go take another look at the DB Page of the Fuuton i posted, its states that it causes extreme air pressure with a compacted blast...Now clearly that means whatever caught in its vicinity is getting crushed by the pressure which a shield of hair is not going to protect you from. The hair shield just makes Jiraiya a sitting target

Jiraiya's hair is just as strong or close to being strong with Kakuzu's threads.. since it was said to be as strong as steel.. it also crushed the crab summon of Pain so it is capable of doing similar things. I don't see any feats stating it would be strong enough to crush something as strong as steel so I believe he can tank it besides he only has to use it temporarily until the jutsu subsides.. also I never said he'd have the toads attack while covering himself.. I meant as it after tanking the fire and futon justsu that they use their jutsu to counter raition because I believe you said Kakuzu would use it.

That doesn't prove or dis-prove anything really. The technique clearly doesn't paralyze for long either

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notice how they were able to move their mouths, and wince from the impact. I really don't see Jiraiya making it in time before he becomes un-paralyzed

Wut :| How does this prove anything? what does wincing and moving their mouth point out? Itachi and sasuke were able to close their ears and wince as well but did that mean they could completely move their body? No not at all.
I never said it was going to take long either I admitted that it was temporary. Again what? Ma and Pa are on Jiraiya's shoulder's so if they are using the jutsu then that means Jiraiya is in close proximity to Kakuzu.. I never said Jiraiya was going to make them do it from long distance :| I pointed out that Jiraiya would his speed to close the distance., anyways back to argument once Kakuzu is paralyzed Jiraiya takes him out with ultra rasengan as I've said before or maybe even use Fighting Tongue Slash to slice him apart along with the hearts.

I understand this, but Jiraiya is not getting behind Kakuzu here.

What makes you believe that? He was able to this against multiple opponents (Pain) and it was only due to shared vision that they were able to counter.. I don't remember any notable feats of Kakuzu having good enough reaction time to keep up with Jiraiya.

I'm not going to circle it...Just look at his arms they move in towards his body, and clearly he turns his whole body..**** it i'm just going to circle it

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Notice how he's looking at Shikamaru and Chouji first, then he turns to Hidan.

Yeah that's what I thought you were referring to but why does it even matter? He only moved a little and he won't be able to move fast enough to stop Jiraiya anyways so irrelevant.. he never anticipated Kakashi either.

Bro all those toads are immediatly impaled by Gian, which can rip right through them, or the Fuuton mask can crush them. The summons are just too large a target for Kakuzu's jutsu. Shadow clones are not that much of a problem, J-Man hasn't shown to make much more than one i believe and since Kakuzu can see this he will know where the original is still ...And then still aim for it with his own threads

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As i've said once it is used it still takes a while, Kakuzu can go up in the air with a heart that can still fire jutsu at any toad that tries to stop this..Meanwhile he can use Domu..To tank that same jutsu so it doesn't affect him at all.
This genjutsu is not coming into this battle all that much its easily countered.

The Toads can simply jump over Gian or maneuver around to dodge it. Fuuton mask isn't crushing them either if you look at what I said below. Problem is he won't know which is a clone or not since Ma can use Sage Art: Wind Release Dust Cloud [

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] He can perform Shadow Clone while in there so Kakuzu will be confused as to which is the real one. Also I never realized this but the masks can't fly with the exception of the Fuuton mask.. Anyways this guy put it best.

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They can't fly. People usually believe that these Masks have the ability to fly because of this scan right here.

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However while it may look like they are flying, in reality, they are not. If we take a look at a page before that, we can clearly see the ''SFX: Jump Jump Jump Jump''

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They just have the ability to jump high, they cannot fly.



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So he crushes the mask while falling down.. Kakuzu survives but then is caught by demonic chant as they were prepping it while the toads were holding off the masks.

Summons can jump sure, however what stops them from getting blasted with jutsu? I mean look what a mere ST did to them

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Not saying Kakuzu's fuuton would do that exactly but it should still have some effect and negate them from catching the hearts, the Katon can block the view of the toad at least if not burn it severely, I've already countered that Swamp jutsu, Bro, do you know how sound works? Its not going to travel more then 50 feet maximum...Thats just how everything works my man, Demonic Sound chant is not affecting someone that far away...That's like saying it would of affected Konan :| Or the other paths who were clearly nearby

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Anyway's Kakuzu's massive jutsu eventually overpower Jiraiya and end him with any one of them Tbh... sorry this is so short and a bit sloppy, as i've discussed with Eren i have been ext. busy with RL

Mere ST? Bro that was a stronger powered ST not a normal one.. and it was the impact of hitting the ground that took them out not the ST itself.. I doubt Kakuzu's fuuton alone would be enough to stop them or even push them back.. they'll be able to tank it.

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I'm pretty sure these images are self explanatory.. The Fuuton from shukaku is said to level forests and hollow out the ground and Gambunta tanked it and also was able to counter a few with his water jutsu. He can either dodge, tank, or counter with water bullet to stop either the fuuton or the katon. The other toads can dodge as well and one of them can tank with their shield but this isn't happen because I doubt the fuuton or katon mask can attack all of them simultaneously. You didn't counter swamp jutsu.. I corrected you on that. Konan left the battlefield and Asura path and the others arrived after the jutsu was already casted so moot point. Kakuzu isn't faster than sound so he isn't outrunning it to get past it's limit sorry he gets caught and is put down while Jiraiya and the rest take care of the masks.


Anyways this is the last post of the debate.. mine post was sloppy as well but oh well I was considering not doing this last post but I did it just to finish the debate more strong. Zexion you may get irritated at what I said on here but since the debate is over please do refrain from saying anything else until the judges made their call. May the better debater of this match up win it was nice having you as my first opponent Zexion.. I am honored U_U

 

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This was a great debate. Good job to both debaters.
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Things I liked

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1. I loved your counter to domu, "his insides will be cooked" And you explained it well.
2. Nice job countering his katon post and his post dealing with kakuzu futtons knocking jiriya toads away also his ration post. You incorporated his sage sensing ability to further his chances and success at dodging and countering kakuzu.
3. Nice job utilizeing jiriya roaring lion mane as a defensive shield against kakuzu arsenal.
4. good job using ma in this debate. you were able to counter Zexion~ post about jiriya can't summon all the toads. but ma can
5. Overall you did awesome at countering Zexion~ posts

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Things I disliked.

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1. you were wrong on a couple of things and Zexion~ had to fix you on like jirya justus
2. You started to give up
   

Zexion~

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Things I liked

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1. Good job countering jiriya swamp justu. That was a really unique counter.
2. Good job counter sound genjustu. You explained why it won't work against him very welly.
3. Nice job countering food cart destroyer
4. Good job countering jiriya hair sebon attack. You gave perfect manga proof why kakuzu would dodge it.
5. You made very intreasting points throughout the debate

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Things I disliked

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1. You focused to much on domu on basically every counter.
2. You ignored facts concerning jiriya can melt his insides, and just said in response domu can tank it.
3. Your posts started to get repetitive over time

Score
Eren: 4/5
Zexion~: 3.5/5
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[Murasame]

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This was a great debate. Good job to both debaters.
★ErenJaeger

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Things I liked

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1. I loved your counter to domu, "his insides will be cooked" And you explained it well.
2. Nice job countering his katon post and his post dealing with kakuzu futtons knocking jiriya toads away also his ration post. You incorporated his sage sensing ability to further his chances and success at dodging and countering kakuzu.
3. Nice job utilizeing jiriya roaring lion mane as a defensive shield against kakuzu arsenal.
4. good job using ma in this debate. you were able to counter Zexion~ post about jiriya can't summon all the toads. but ma can
5. Overall you did awesome at countering Zexion~ posts

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Things I disliked.

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1. you were wrong on a couple of things and Zexion~ had to fix you on like jirya justus
2. You started to give up
   

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Zexion
Things I liked

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1. Good job countering jiriya swamp justu. That was a really unique couner.
2. Good job counter sound genjustu. You explained why it won't work against him very welly.
3. Nice job countering food cart destroyer
4. Good job countering jiriya hair sebon attack. You gave perfect manga proof why kakuzu would dodge it.
5. You made very intreasting points throughout the debate

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Things I disliked

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1. You focused to much on domu on basically every counter.
2. You ignored facts concerning jiriya can melt his insides, and just said in response domu can tank it.
3. Your posts started to get repetitive over time

Score
Eren: 4/5
Zexion~: 3.5/5
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Thanks for reading over the whole debate and taking your time reading this and giving your input.. I really appreciate it Also thanks for giving me the vote now we just have to wait and see what the other three say. Anyways nice format and text you used to present your pick =D

 

[Zexion~]

Thanks for the vote ^_^

 

[Booker]

My vote goes to Zexion.

I don't feel like typing right now, since I just wrote a 10 page paper. If you want me to go in depth I will though.

 

[Zexion~]

My vote goes to Zexion.

I don't feel like typing right now, since I just wrote a 10 page paper. If you want me to go in depth I will though.

Just a little post on why your reasons are what they are would be nice...Nothing too fancy though

 

[Curse Mark]

IMO, Kakuzu would win. However, I felt as if Eren represented Jiraiya better in this debate. My favorite point/best point you made was about the effects of Rasengan on Kakuzu/Domu.
Least favorite would be I think you slightly overestimated some jutsu.
Zex.. what can I say. As always with Kakuzu, you represented him greatly, and I didn't really have too many issues even worth bringing up, besides that I think you left something to be desired with your counters and you didn't seem to get very turnt up.
Congrats to both, it was a great read.

 

[Murasame]

My vote goes to Zexion.

I don't feel like typing right now, since I just wrote a 10 page paper. If you want me to go in depth I will though.

IMO, Kakuzu would win. However, I felt as if Eren represented Jiraiya better in this debate. My favorite point/best point you made was about the effects of Rasengan on Kakuzu/Domu.
Least favorite would be I think you slightly overestimated some jutsu.
Zex.. what can I say. As always with Kakuzu, you represented him greatly, and I didn't really have too many issues even worth bringing up, besides that I think you left something to be desired with your counters and you didn't seem to get very turnt up.
Congrats to both, it was a great read.

Thanks for giving your verdicts you two =D
@Immortal Itachi I don't mind if you don't give your reasons just as long you got picked someone.

 

[Zexion~]

IMO, Kakuzu would win. However, I felt as if Eren represented Jiraiya better in this debate. My favorite point/best point you made was about the effects of Rasengan on Kakuzu/Domu.
Least favorite would be I think you slightly overestimated some jutsu.
Zex.. what can I say. As always with Kakuzu, you represented him greatly, and I didn't really have too many issues even worth bringing up, besides that I think you left something to be desired with your counters and you didn't seem to get very turnt up.
Congrats to both, it was a great read.

Shit happened in the middle of the debate that kind of wrecked the mood :/

Thanks for the verdict bro...

 

[Booker]

I'm not going to make an overly fancy post, but here are my reasons:

- Initially I thought Domu had been countered, but rereading through the arguments I found it really wasn't. Zexion stated how a normal rasengan didn't even tear through organs of Kabuto, who was using a defense MUCH lighter than Domu. If Kabuto was able to survive that with little to no permanent injury, Kakuzu's domu (which is incredibly far above what Kabuto did) should tank a massive rasengan. Not to mention the point that Kauzu's body is threads; when he releases the masks, there's not much Rasengan will do to him.

- Shunsuin is a basic move almost all ninja know. Kakuzu will not be caught off guard by it.

- I felt like Gian wasn't successfully countered, which is an endgame for Jiraiya.

- Gut reaction to the debates.

After reading through, Zexion seemed the victor in my mind.

Not to say it wasn't an excellent job, Eren.

 

[Murasame]

I'm not going to make an overly fancy post, but here are my reasons:

- Initially I thought Domu had been countered, but rereading through the arguments I found it really wasn't. Zexion stated how a normal rasengan didn't even tear through organs of Kabuto, who was using a defense MUCH lighter than Domu. If Kabuto was able to survive that with little to no permanent injury, Kakuzu's domu (which is incredibly far above what Kabuto did) should tank a massive rasengan. Not to mention the point that Kauzu's body is threads; when he releases the masks, there's not much Rasengan will do to him.

- Shunsuin is a basic move almost all ninja know. Kakuzu will not be caught off guard by it.

- I felt like Gian wasn't successfully countered, which is an endgame for Jiraiya.

- Gut reaction to the debates.

After reading through, Zexion seemed the victor in my mind.

Not to say it wasn't an excellent job, Eren.

Nice that you went into depth with why Zexion won but I have to say some things about your post but only once everyone is done judging.

 

[Shura]

Going by manga factz, Sasori 1shots them both without any difficulty at all.

OT: Good debate.

 

[Sunagura]

Going by manga factz, Sasori 1shots them both without any difficulty at all.

OT: Good debate.

What can i say when Sasori even manipulate Sand and make a robot out of it.

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[Shura]

What can i say when Sasori even manipulate Sand and make a robot out of it.

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Where is that from? xD