[VS] SM Jiraiya (Me) vs Kakuzu (Zexion)

[Zexion~]

You've been talking to Bogard haven't you...Damn that rasengan argument...

Anyways will counter when i get back from school....which my be pretty late today..

 

[Shura]

You've been taking tips from Bogard? So you don't mind if I give Zexion a point or two?

 

[Murasame]

You've been taking tips from Bogard? So you don't mind if I give Zexion a point or two?

No I didn't read our convo if you like.. I merely asked for databook info so I can back some of the points I made

 

[Shura]

No I didn't read our convo if you like.. I merely asked for databook info so I can back some of the points I made

Don't worry, I'm joking. I won't help. That would be unfair.

 

[Penguin]

I just want to point out that the Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu technique is only used when the user is above his opponent. That is it. Nice debate so far.

 

[Zexion~]

I just want to point out that the Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu technique is only used when the user is above his opponent. That is it. Nice debate so far.

That's what i'm saying people act like it can be used always >.>

This will be included in my counter,

Which will be up when i get home....

 

[Zexion~]

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*Heh* Your not all that bad i suppose​

First things first, I would like to say good luck to my opponent Zexion.. I hope we have a good debate. =D This is my first legitimate 1 on 1 debate so please don't expect anything amazing but I will try my best.. can't say I don't feel pressured though seeing as the majority go for Jiraiya Lol I will try my best to prove that right.. now on to my counter opening argument.

To you as well my man, pressure doesn't really account for anything in debates XD XD But nonetheless decent opener however i'll have to pick it apart now.

I agree for the most part on Domu's tanking capabilities and feats but this won't help him against something like Rasengan which can also do internal damage.. while his body is mostly made up of threads he does possess internal organs such as the heart which keeps him alive.. considering the distance and the speed that Jiraiya possess in sage mode he should be able to cover this distance and land this. Without knowledge Kakuzu will use Domu as you have said to tank this without knowing that Rasengan deals internal damage. Taking into consideration that this is the Ultra Big Ball Rasengan which is not only bigger than a person [

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] it can also be formed almost instantly. Considering the size and power of the rasengan this should effectively kill all his hearts thus ending the match.. also I'd like to add the masks are on the back and I have a feeling you would say this to counter so I'll just cover this now anyways when rasengan hits a target all that force exits out from the back [

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] and this was caused by a normal rasengan just imagine ULTRA big Rasengan.. this would surely destroy all the masks which are his hearts. Taking all of this in the match is pretty much over but I'll go counter the rest of your argument.

Why you assume that Kakuzu's hearts will still be isolated in his back is curious...as For one thing the distance is at 30 meters, and second that speed that Jiraiya accomplished when using the rasengan, was only due to the fact that he was able to propel himself off the wall of the sewer with frog like feet which gave him, jumping/propelling abilities..

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Notice how his feet change shape into that of a frogs,and he bends down in a launching position, seeing as this takes place in a large grassy field with basically no trees except on the edge of the field

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, which means no launching himself of tree's either, at least not if he wants it to be useful at all, and he had Imperfect SM, which i don't believe game him any speed buffs, unlike naruto's...Regardless pain was easily able to react to one of Jiraiya's moves

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. Anyways onto the actual rasengan here, honestly i don't remember ever seeing anything about it doing damage on the cellular level.... Which is why i think you guys are spouting BS..>.> It didn't say anything about it on the Wiki at least...Again if the DB says something else please post it.

I mean this should be rather obvious due to the fact that Tsunade was so surprised that Naruto's Rasen Shurikan was able to damage the cells

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I mean if it truly did damage the cells to such an extent Tsunade (knowing this was a Rasengan Variant) Wouldn't of been so surprised... I really just think this jutsu causes explosive damage and throws the opponent back...

Yes i know about this little incident

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but Kabuto clearly states that if it damaged his cells he could of easily repaired them.... I truly believe that it merely hit on an organ severely.... Which isn't a problem against Kakuzu...

Now then, another way to deal with this little threat is merely killing Jiraiya before he arrives at Kakuzu, as i stated earlier that speed he used is not going to be coming into play this fight...which means that if Jiraiya tried to rush Kakuzu with this attack, he merely needs to activate anyone of his jutsu, which would force Jiraiya out of CQC and halt the threat of the Rasengan, and i doubt he can simply keep it charged in his hand for long.... His Katon would suffice

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now not only does this technique provide a threat against Jiraiya's life..even if it couldn't hit it would force Jiraiya into the air, as its a jutsu that travels along the ground and trips up any who get caught in the blast

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Once Jiraiya is in the air, Kakuzu's raiton heart would then be able to take advantage of jiraiya having no where to go whereas it can move freely in the air as i have stated and obliterate Jiraiya with Raiton Gian

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Which not only has tremendous speed but has amazing piercing capabilities as well and will no doubt tear through Jiraiya like nothing...

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While a notable feat of Kakuzu's domu, it doesn't compare to the heat that Sage Art: Goemon can possibly produce.

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It can create heat up to a several thousand degrees... surely Domu won't withstand that and if it can it still won't protect his insides from getting cooked or boiled.

I don't see why not, the fact is that it clearly can take more heat than a normal body...Now then lets resort to the DB once again ( i only have Kakuzu entries)

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It states that it takes that of Diamond Properties, nothing suggests that it doesn't take on the heat resistance property of diamonds as well, as a matter of fact the manga SUGGESTS that it does, with it tanking the hated feats i showed before, again take a look at this scan

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clearly Kakuzu survived/Tanked it, while Hidan even noted that it was an extremely hot attack, note that it is also melting pure stone, which is what most mountains are made of :|.. A melting point of a diamond is roughly that of 7,000 Degree's F.. Doubt this jutsu can surpass that.

This jutsu as said in the databook utilizes both wind and fire natures but also water which you left out while also being strengthened by oil so I doubt Kakuzu's katon+wind jutsu let alone wind will negate this jutsu considering it has fire+wind+water+oil which are unleased in huge quantities as said in the databook.. infact it may end up strengthening it considering how wind fuels fire.. it was already countered by wind and water as shown here [

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] If you tried to use Kakuzu's water mask it is pointless as it is featless I believe. Kakuzu gets cooked Lol

What a pointless thing to say, the additive of water does nothing as its already shown to push through water easily

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..Not to mention Kakuzu can also combine his Wind+Fire with his Raiton as well No it hasn't been done yet in the Manga, but really? Its not that hard to point out...Discard the fact if you will, doesn't change anything.... The wind Style still disperses it, as its liquid :|

While Hair Needle Senbon won't hurt him directly because of Domu he can use it to pull Kakuzu towards him and hit him with a double rasengan taking a heart out or two depending on where he lands it.. Remember while having Domu active he won't be capable of moving and if he releases it he will end up getting crushed like Pain's crab summon.. either way it will be a lose lose situation.. if that doesn't kill him somehow he will surely be incapacitated.If somehow manages to put up a struggle then Ma and Pa can temporarily disable him with frog song[

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] it was so strong it immobilized two of pain's summons.

What. Hair Needle Senbon, is merely the senbon attack, the other one your refering to is Roaring lions mane i believe, which would be very silly to use here, as it would merely restrain Kakuzu...Whereas Kakuzu's hearts would still be free to massacre Jiraiya as they see fit..Quite easily as Jiraiya has to keep his focus on Kakuzu, here... as if he moves too much the hold would be loosened... Not to mention Kakuzu could basically do the same thing

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however the difference is Kakuzu can still kill Jiraiya via his hearts which would still be moving, whereas Jiraiya would pretty much be stuck....

Is there any info on how this Technique paralyzes? As if it utilizes the vibrations in the sound waves to rattle the bones of the opponent similar to White Rage, as if it is Kakuzu is immune as he has no bones...Its a ninjutsu so i highly doubt it could be anything else, however regardless Kakuzu can use Domu, to pass the temp. Paralysis with little harm to him, while again...his hearts can still function as they have neither bones nor ears to hear with...

. kakuzu also has no knowledge on this so he won't be able to anticipate it. Now to correct you on the rest of your claims, Animal path was already aware of Jiraiya being behind him thanks to the shared vision of the 6 Paths of Pain.. [

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Lol what? Doesn't matter the fact still remains the Jiraiya's speed couldn't do shit to catch him off guard...the added sight just prevented an ambush.

Kakuzu won't have that luxury so if doesn't know Jiraiya is behind him he is getting caught.. now the last part of your post is entirely false. Kakuzu already had Domo activated beforehand.. this is the scan that came before the one you provided. [

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] Notice his reaction in the lower left corner.. it clearly displays shock because he didn't anticipate it.. this proves your reaction argument is a fallacy.

Wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong, From this scan

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We can see that Kakuzu is moving...Now if you would go look at the DB scan i just posted Domu is supposed to completely restrict the movement of Kakuzu while he uses it on the full body... It was merely a artist mistake by Kishi keeping his skin color like that. That "shocked" icon was simply due to the fact that he was completely surprised that it was able to hurt him, as he just stated that physical attacks were useless...Why do you think Kakashi explained the whole Earth<Lighting thing...because Domu couldn't block his Raikiri... Don't try too call me out with this fight,as it won't end well for you

It's not called frog song lol that's a different jutsu[

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@bold while this is a viable counter Jiraiya can simply use food cart destroyer to stop them as they are taking flight..

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This technique is listed to be all ranges.. here is quote from narutopedia "A destructive dive that takes full advantage of a giant toad's body mass. The strength of the fall varies depending on the user. For example, in the case of someone like Jiraiya — one of the Sannin, the summon can be performed in an instant right above the target, further adding the great gravitational force of a several hundred metre-high dive to the toad's own weight" while this site is not known to be always reliable there is no mistaking that this is true since it is classified as a space time ninjutsu. Kakuzu has no knowledge so he won't be expecting this jutsu and will be squashed as he will be too late to react. I'll go ahead and counter the rest of the bold anyways.. now if this scenario was to happen Jiraiya can always use a Kage Bunshin in SM as he did here [

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] to back him up.. not only that but he can use his toad summons to provide back up giving Pa and Ma enough time to use Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant.

All this can be countered in a mere sentence ....The Food Cart cart destroyer move can not be utilized unless the opponent is under the summoner...

However again this is completely useless, basically if he uses this technique the Demonic Chant becomes useless, due to the load noise that would be made, and the loss of focus from the chant...Although not that it matters, even if Kakuzu is hit with this, his Domu can clearly tank it...And while he tanks it and Jiraiya was focusing on summoning whatever heart he didn't use to fly, obliterates Jiraiya from behind.... GG Jiraiya...However like i said, the caster has to be above the target anyways.

While this may be able to counter the toad chant Jiraiya can prevent this from happening from having Gambunta (note I already mentioned he already has summons out in the previous paragraph) use his oil to combine and strengthen his katon jutsu to create Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet which can produce flames that can consume a summon as large as manda [

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] since wind only strengthens fire this will be blown back to Kakuzu who will be able to survive but end up getting caught by Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant.

No.... Actually to be completely honest i don't see Jiraiya even performing a summon at all here, as it took a vast amount to get the sages

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Which is two summoning he has already used and are active, any more may be too much, as Naruto was only able too summon three in his perfect SM mode, however this is a pretty good counter, you do realize how large Bunta is right?

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Meaning the demonic chant is not going to reach Kakuzu from up there, which Jiraiya must be in order to use this technique...And as you said he can tank it....While his hearts either fly over it, or bury under it

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Notice how its merely a heart and some threads Which is exactly what the heart creatures are made of....So theres no reason they can't dig as well.

Anyways, in the end the numbers of Kakuzu and His masks and the sheer destruction caused by his jutsu will be Jiraiya's downfall here...Most of his jutsu require complete concentration...Which is an awful idea against Kakuzu who can sneak a jutsu from behind you, killing in an instant all who are hit by it....

Not to mention as i've stated in this post he counters basically everything Jiraiya has.

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[Crossroads]

Who the hell allowed Zex to have Kakuzu?

OT: Kakuzu takes him high diff..

Nice arguments on both sides.

 

[Murasame]

Who the hell allowed Zex to have Kakuzu?

OT: Kakuzu takes him high diff..

Nice arguments on both sides.

I let him have Kakuzu since I wanted him to be at his best.. bad mistake


@Zexion

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This is a lot for a newbie to handle.. >.> I will try my best to counter later on.

 

[Headmaster]

Good job biju naruto and zexion.

Biju don't give up!

 

[Booker]

Spoiler

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*Heh* Your not all that bad i suppose​

To you as well my man, pressure doesn't really account for anything in debates XD XD But nonetheless decent opener however i'll have to pick it apart now.




Why you assume that Kakuzu's hearts will still be isolated in his back is curious...as For one thing the distance is at 30 meters, and second that speed that Jiraiya accomplished when using the rasengan, was only due to the fact that he was able to propel himself off the wall of the sewer with frog like feet which gave him, jumping/propelling abilities..

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Notice how his feet change shape into that of a frogs,and he bends down in a launching position, seeing as this takes place in a large grassy field with basically no trees except on the edge of the field

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, which means no launching himself of tree's either, at least not if he wants it to be useful at all, and he had Imperfect SM, which i don't believe game him any speed buffs, unlike naruto's...Regardless pain was easily able to react to one of Jiraiya's moves

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. Anyways onto the actual rasengan here, honestly i don't remember ever seeing anything about it doing damage on the cellular level.... Which is why i think you guys are spouting BS..>.> It didn't say anything about it on the Wiki at least...Again if the DB says something else please post it.

I mean this should be rather obvious due to the fact that Tsunade was so surprised that Naruto's Rasen Shurikan was able to damage the cells

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I mean if it truly did damage the cells to such an extent Tsunade (knowing this was a Rasengan Variant) Wouldn't of been so surprised... I really just think this jutsu causes explosive damage and throws the opponent back...

Yes i know about this little incident

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but Kabuto clearly states that if it damaged his cells he could of easily repaired them.... I truly believe that it merely hit on an organ severely.... Which isn't a problem against Kakuzu...

Now then, another way to deal with this little threat is merely killing Jiraiya before he arrives at Kakuzu, as i stated earlier that speed he used is not going to be coming into play this fight...which means that if Jiraiya tried to rush Kakuzu with this attack, he merely needs to activate anyone of his jutsu, which would force Jiraiya out of CQC and halt the threat of the Rasengan, and i doubt he can simply keep it charged in his hand for long.... His Katon would suffice

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now not only does this technique provide a threat against Jiraiya's life..even if it couldn't hit it would force Jiraiya into the air, as its a jutsu that travels along the ground and trips up any who get caught in the blast

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Once Jiraiya is in the air, Kakuzu's raiton heart would then be able to take advantage of jiraiya having no where to go whereas it can move freely in the air as i have stated and obliterate Jiraiya with Raiton Gian

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Which not only has tremendous speed but has amazing piercing capabilities as well and will no doubt tear through Jiraiya like nothing...

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I don't see why not, the fact is that it clearly can take more heat than a normal body...Now then lets resort to the DB once again ( i only have Kakuzu entries)

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It states that it takes that of Diamond Properties, nothing suggests that it doesn't take on the heat resistance property of diamonds as well, as a matter of fact the manga SUGGESTS that it does, with it tanking the hated feats i showed before, again take a look at this scan

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clearly Kakuzu survived/Tanked it, while Hidan even noted that it was an extremely hot attack, note that it is also melting pure stone, which is what most mountains are made of :|.. A melting point of a diamond is roughly that of 7,000 Degree's F.. Doubt this jutsu can surpass that.



What a pointless thing to say, the additive of water does nothing as its already shown to push through water easily

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..Not to mention Kakuzu can also combine his Wind+Fire with his Raiton as well No it hasn't been done yet in the Manga, but really? Its not that hard to point out...Discard the fact if you will, doesn't change anything.... The wind Style still disperses it, as its liquid :|



What. Hair Needle Senbon, is merely the senbon attack, the other one your refering to is Roaring lions mane i believe, which would be very silly to use here, as it would merely restrain Kakuzu...Whereas Kakuzu's hearts would still be free to massacre Jiraiya as they see fit..Quite easily as Jiraiya has to keep his focus on Kakuzu, here... as if he moves too much the hold would be loosened... Not to mention Kakuzu could basically do the same thing

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however the difference is Kakuzu can still kill Jiraiya via his hearts which would still be moving, whereas Jiraiya would pretty much be stuck....

Is there any info on how this Technique paralyzes? As if it utilizes the vibrations in the sound waves to rattle the bones of the opponent similar to White Rage, as if it is Kakuzu is immune as he has no bones...Its a ninjutsu so i highly doubt it could be anything else, however regardless Kakuzu can use Domu, to pass the temp. Paralysis with little harm to him, while again...his hearts can still function as they have neither bones nor ears to hear with...



Lol what? Doesn't matter the fact still remains the Jiraiya's speed couldn't do shit to catch him off guard...the added sight just prevented an ambush.



Wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong, From this scan

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We can see that Kakuzu is moving...Now if you would go look at the DB scan i just posted Domu is supposed to completely restrict the movement of Kakuzu while he uses it on the full body... It was merely a artist mistake by Kishi keeping his skin color like that. That "shocked" icon was simply due to the fact that he was completely surprised that it was able to hurt him, as he just stated that physical attacks were useless...Why do you think Kakashi explained the whole Earth<Lighting thing...because Domu couldn't block his Raikiri... Don't try too call me out with this fight,as it won't end well for you



All this can be countered in a mere sentence ....The Food Cart cart destroyer move can not be utilized unless the opponent is under the summoner...

However again this is completely useless, basically if he uses this technique the Demonic Chant becomes useless, due to the load noise that would be made, and the loss of focus from the chant...Although not that it matters, even if Kakuzu is hit with this, his Domu can clearly tank it...And while he tanks it and Jiraiya was focusing on summoning whatever heart he didn't use to fly, obliterates Jiraiya from behind.... GG Jiraiya...However like i said, the caster has to be above the target anyways.



No.... Actually to be completely honest i don't see Jiraiya even performing a summon at all here, as it took a vast amount to get the sages

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Which is two summoning he has already used and are active, any more may be too much, as Naruto was only able too summon three in his perfect SM mode, however this is a pretty good counter, you do realize how large Bunta is right?

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Meaning the demonic chant is not going to reach Kakuzu from up there, which Jiraiya must be in order to use this technique...And as you said he can tank it....While his hearts either fly over it, or bury under it

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Notice how its merely a heart and some threads Which is exactly what the heart creatures are made of....So theres no reason they can't dig as well.

Anyways, in the end the numbers of Kakuzu and His masks and the sheer destruction caused by his jutsu will be Jiraiya's downfall here...Most of his jutsu require complete concentration...Which is an awful idea against Kakuzu who can sneak a jutsu from behind you, killing in an instant all who are hit by it....

Not to mention as i've stated in this post he counters basically everything Jiraiya has.

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An excellent counter, impressed me much more than your OP.

There were a couple things I could nit pick, but I'll leave that up to Eren to find out

On a judge scale, right now my meter looks like

Eren ------l--- Zexion

I let him have Kakuzu since I wanted him to be at his best.. bad mistake


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This is a lot for a newbie to handle.. >.> I will try my best to counter later on.

Eh, no worries. You can handle this, I'm sure.

 

[Zexion~]

An excellent counter, impressed me much more than your OP.

There were a couple things I could nit pick, but I'll leave that up to Eren to find out

On a judge scale, right now my meter looks like

Eren ------l--- Zexion



Eh, no worries. You can handle this, I'm sure.

My you certainty are an interactive judge aren't you lol

 

[Zexion~]

He never answered

 

[Booker]

My you certainty are an interactive judge aren't you lol

I like to give updates while I judge, because whenever I debate I like to know the Judge's thoughts on each counter.

He never answered

I'll PM him...

 

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Why you assume that Kakuzu's hearts will still be isolated in his back is curious...as For one thing the distance is at 30 meters, and second that speed that Jiraiya accomplished when using the rasengan, was only due to the fact that he was able to propel himself off the wall of the sewer with frog like feet which gave him, jumping/propelling abilities..

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Notice how his feet change shape into that of a frogs,and he bends down in a launching position, seeing as this takes place in a large grassy field with basically no trees except on the edge of the field

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, which means no launching himself of tree's either, at least not if he wants it to be useful at all, and he had Imperfect SM, which i don't believe game him any speed buffs, unlike naruto's...Regardless pain was easily able to react to one of Jiraiya's moves

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Read the info the distance is 20 meters which is more than enough for Jiraiya to reach Kakuzu... now I'll admit that I was wrong on this particular speed feat considering the location but these are not the only speed feats Jiraiya possesses. Here Jiraiya managed to stop animal path from using his summoning jutsu when all what was needed was a simple clap to perform it. [

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] Jiraiya also used his shunshin to get past the 3 paths of pain who were in front of him.. they weren't able to move a muscle or even react to stop him. [

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] The distance he covered is around 20 meters or most likely more. the three paths of pain wouldn't have even caught up to him if he hadn't stopped.
While he did have an imperfect sage mode it still gave a boost in every area but it probably wouldn't be as good as Naruto's considering he perfected it.
@bold Zex I just went over this with you.. -_- It was thanks to the other path watching them that he was able to react.. don't believe me? Well for one that pain was blinded so there was no way he could've reacted to it. In that same scan you used you can see animal path watching. [

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] It was even stated here. Another way Jiraiya can start this fight out is to use Earth Release: Swamp of the underworld and this jutu is listed to be all ranges not that it is needed here since the distance is 20 meters. This jutsu was capable of restricting a snake summon while Jiraiya was drugged and not capable of performing his jutsu to their fullest potential.

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In his base mode Jiraiya would've been capable of sinking that snake.
Since he is in Sage Mode his ninjutsu will be boosted. Kakuzu will have no knowledge therefore he will not expect an attack that comes from below him. Since his masks aren't out already he will struggle to bring them out and if he does they will end up being in the same predicament as him and while he struggles Jiraiya can attack him with his wide arrange of Jutsu in which he will fall unless he uses Domo which will leave him incapable of moving meaning he sinks.. either way it's over. Now if by some really lucky chance he does get out (not going to happen) Jiraiya can always jump towards him get into range and have ma and pa do frog song [

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] which will paralyze him temporarily in midair and give jiraiya the chance to slam him down with rasengan to the mudhole jiraiya created again.

Anyways onto the actual rasengan here, honestly i don't remember ever seeing anything about it doing damage on the cellular level.... Which is why i think you guys are spouting BS..>.> It didn't say anything about it on the Wiki at least...Again if the DB says something else please post it.

I mean this should be rather obvious due to the fact that Tsunade was so surprised that Naruto's Rasen Shurikan was able to damage the cells

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I mean if it truly did damage the cells to such an extent Tsunade (knowing this was a Rasengan Variant) Wouldn't of been so surprised... I really just think this jutsu causes explosive damage and throws the opponent back...

Yes i know about this little incident

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but Kabuto clearly states that if it damaged his cells he could of easily repaired them.... I truly believe that it merely hit on an organ severely.... Which isn't a problem against Kakuzu...

No where did I state that it did damage on a cellular level.. I said it would damage internally or damage internal organs So with that being said I don't really have to counter nothing here. But I will say that Kabuto can heal himself Kakuzu can't so i wonder why you bothered bringing that up and yes Kakuzu does have Organs other wise how would he live? You forgetting his hearts? So yes it will be a problem for him. The masks are located on his back [

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] and where does all the force of the rasengan come out? Yes the back. This is what a normal rasengan did.. [

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] With the Ultra Rasengan's size (bigger than a human) he should take out all the masks in one go.. this goes back to my first part of this post and my counter opening argument previously. Remember this judges.

Now then, another way to deal with this little threat is merely killing Jiraiya before he arrives at Kakuzu, as i stated earlier that speed he used is not going to be coming into play this fight...which means that if Jiraiya tried to rush Kakuzu with this attack, he merely needs to activate anyone of his jutsu, which would force Jiraiya out of CQC and halt the threat of the Rasengan, and i doubt he can simply keep it charged in his hand for long....

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His Katon would suffice

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now not only does this technique provide a threat against Jiraiya's life..even if it couldn't hit it would force Jiraiya into the air, as its a jutsu that travels along the ground and trips up any who get caught in the blast

@bold This was already countered in the first part of the post so this scenario wouldn't happen until you counter the first part of my post so this scenario isn't going to happen therefore I won't bother countering for now. I will say this though.. Rasengan isn't chidori once it is formed it is self sustaining meaning it can go on unless the user decides to deactivate it or if the user gets disrupted from using it. Jiraiya's ultra rasengan will counter Kakuzu's katon considering that Naruto was able to do this with his normal rasengan. [

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This was only to show a counter if you decided to use Katon in the future.
Don't believe me? Here's a quote from the databook (no images exist in english)
"The Compressed power of rotation! Its power is ultimateness itself!

The compressed force of the rotation is released on the enemy. (Pic of Kabuto and Naruto)

Once the compressed highest level of chakra is released, incredible rotation and power of destruction synchronize and speed ahead.
“YAAA!!”

The shockwave moves ahead and sweeps(swirls) everything in its path and overturns the earth. Unless it collides with something in its way, there is no stoppage of its power.

If chakra that swirls like a typhoon can be maintained hand-sized, then its power does not disintegrate and its rotation and power are limitlessly produced. Upon release its power of destruction is greatly heightened. It is equivalent to having a ‘small hurricane’ in one’s hands!!"

Once Jiraiya is in the air, Kakuzu's raiton heart would then be able to take advantage of jiraiya having no where to go whereas it can move freely in the air as i have stated and obliterate Jiraiya with Raiton Gian

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Which not only has tremendous speed but has amazing piercing capabilities as well and will no doubt tear through Jiraiya like nothing...

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This go along the post before.. I countered your post from the beginning that would eventually lead to this so I dont believe a counter is needed here but I'll counter anyways.. Fukasaku (Pa) can simply use Sage Art: Wind Release Stream.. taking into consideration that this raition jutsu has a spearlike form and that wind is superior to lightning it would be countered by it. Well I'm guessing you'd ask "how would he anticipate it?" Well Pa himself is a sage as well so he would sense the attack coming.

I don't see why not, the fact is that it clearly can take more heat than a normal body...Now then lets resort to the DB once again ( i only have Kakuzu entries)

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It states that it takes that of Diamond Properties, nothing suggests that it doesn't take on the heat resistance property of diamonds as well, as a matter of fact the manga SUGGESTS that it does, with it tanking the hated feats i showed before, again take a look at this scan

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clearly Kakuzu survived/Tanked it, while Hidan even noted that it was an extremely hot attack, note that it is also melting pure stone, which is what most mountains are made of :|.. A melting point of a diamond is roughly that of 7,000 Degree's F.. Doubt this jutsu can surpass that.

Well I have nothing to correct you on as you are correct here but you did forget to mention a part of the post where I said he can still heat up internally? While he is mostly threads on the inside he still has the human hearts inside of him.. it just like an egg shell when you're cooking it. While it can withstand heat on the outside (externally) internally his inside can get cooked from the heat.

What a pointless thing to say, the additive of water does nothing as its already shown to push through water easily

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..Not to mention Kakuzu can also combine his Wind+Fire with his Raiton as well No it hasn't been done yet in the Manga, but really? Its not that hard to point out...Discard the fact if you will, doesn't change anything.... The wind Style still disperses it, as its liquid :|

Got nothing to say here you got me U_U

What. Hair Needle Senbon, is merely the senbon attack, the other one your refering to is Roaring lions mane i believe, which would be very silly to use here, as it would merely restrain Kakuzu...Whereas Kakuzu's hearts would still be free to massacre Jiraiya as they see fit..Quite easily as Jiraiya has to keep his focus on Kakuzu, here... as if he moves too much the hold would be loosened... Not to mention Kakuzu could basically do the same thing

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however the difference is Kakuzu can still kill Jiraiya via his hearts which would still be moving, whereas Jiraiya would pretty much be stuck....

Sorry confused the two techniques but either way my point still stands. This all assuming that he has his hearts out already and I covered the speed thing in the first part of the post.. even if the hearts were out this wouldn't matter because Jiraiya can also defend himself by covering up with this technique which is strong as steel wires and steel's burning point is 2500°F meaning he can withstand the heat and also tank futon.. for raition pa can use windstream to counter as I have said previously but this assuming that Jiraiya doesn't crush or pierce him with it in which Kakuzu would have to use Domu to counter and with this Jiraiya can use ultra rasengan to finish him off. Btw I'm sure Jiraiya's chakra infused hair is stronger than Kakuzu's thread unless you can tell how strong the threads are.

Is there any info on how this Technique paralyzes? As if it utilizes the vibrations in the sound waves to rattle the bones of the opponent similar to White Rage, as if it is Kakuzu is immune as he has no bones...Its a ninjutsu so i highly doubt it could be anything else, however regardless Kakuzu can use Domu, to pass the temp. Paralysis with little harm to him, while again...his hearts can still function as they have neither bones nor ears to hear with...

No it is not the same as white rage that sense. In narutopedia it was just stated to release large, loud and immensely powerful sound waves that effectively annoy, distract and temporarily paralyze any afflicted targets completely. I doubt Kakuzu would use Domu before that happened considering it would happen at random and even if he did he would get by ultra rasengan considering it forms almost instantly and with his speed feats I stated above being able to reach him before the hearts get him.

Lol what? Doesn't matter the fact still remains the Jiraiya's speed couldn't do shit to catch him off guard...the added sight just prevented an ambush.

Actually it did his speed got him behind that path in his blind spot meaning without any help he would've been done for.. it was only thanks to linked sight that he was able to react. Remember this scan [

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] Kakuzu is not Pain so no he won't be able to react or counter unless he has sight of Jiraiya.

Wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong, From this scan

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We can see that Kakuzu is moving...Now if you would go look at the DB scan i just posted Domu is supposed to completely restrict the movement of Kakuzu while he uses it on the full body... It was merely a artist mistake by Kishi keeping his skin color like that. That "shocked" icon was simply due to the fact that he was completely surprised that it was able to hurt him, as he just stated that physical attacks were useless...Why do you think Kakashi explained the whole Earth<Lighting thing...because Domu couldn't block his Raikiri... Don't try too call me out with this fight,as it won't end well for you

What movement are you talking about? I don't see any movement.. if so I must be blind so can you circle it or crop it to where it shows that?
In the next scan you see Kakazu questioning how he got behind him. [

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] without presence That clearly shows he didn't anticipate Kakashi coming from behind.

All this can be countered in a mere sentence ....The Food Cart cart destroyer move can not be utilized unless the opponent is under the summoner...

However again this is completely useless, basically if he uses this technique the Demonic Chant becomes useless, due to the load noise that would be made, and the loss of focus from the chant...Although not that it matters, even if Kakuzu is hit with this, his Domu can clearly tank it...And while he tanks it and Jiraiya was focusing on summoning whatever heart he didn't use to fly, obliterates Jiraiya from behind.... GG Jiraiya...However like i said, the caster has to be above the target anyways.

Well if that is the case Jiraiya can always use a shadow clone to throw above kakuzu to use Food Cart Destroyer and while Jiraiya may not have much strength feats he did send a summon flying [

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] If that doesn't work he can simply summon the three toad summons who can back him up and help prepare Demonic Chant.. even Shima can summon (listed to have summoning jutsu) as well so they won't have any trouble. Any masks other masks left over can be handled by a shadow clone or Jiraiya himself as he is still able to attack himself. I doubt any mask is going to blitz or catch Jman off guard.. thats ridiculous considering Kakashi himself had to fend them off while being attacked by Hidan.. he survived for a while but since Jiraiya can use summons and shadow clones he should have no problem prepping it.

No.... Actually to be completely honest i don't see Jiraiya even performing a summon at all here, as it took a vast amount to get the sages

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Which is two summoning he has already used and are active, any more may be too much, as Naruto was only able too summon three in his perfect SM mode, however this is a pretty good counter, you do realize how large Bunta is right?

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Meaning the demonic chant is not going to reach Kakuzu from up there, which Jiraiya must be in order to use this technique...And as you said he can tank it....While his hearts either fly over it, or bury under it

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Notice how its merely a heart and some threads Which is exactly what the heart creatures are made of....So theres no reason they can't dig as well.

Yeah that only applied to the sages themselves not any other summons and even if what you say is true Shima can do the summoning for Jiraiya [

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] after all she is the one who summoned all of them to the leaf village when it got destroyed. Umm Demonic Chant is listed all ranges.. :| and considering the location no matter how far Kakuzu goes in it he is still getting caught unless you want to say he flees from the location which is a forfeit.. even if he tries to run he is not faster than sound so he is getting caught. Ma and Pa jumped over the summons and still got them with frog song [

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] refer to the lower left corner. I don't see why Demonic Chant can't do the same. Once Kakuzu is caught it is over until Jiraiya decides to release it or until he gives the finishing blow.. if the masks try to bury themselves under the ground he uses Earth Release: Swamp of the underworld.. if they try flying the summons can jump to catch them or pa can use jutsu like wind stream to slice them into pieces.. either way the masks are not beating Jiraiya and his toad summons and they will eventually lose.

Sorry it took so long to reply i didn't give this my full attention and worked on it bit by bit anyways hope my counter was good I tried my best (._.)

 

[Zexion~]

ugh how can you not see the movement, *sigh* I hate circling things....

Clearly you haven't bothered too learn much about Kakuzu though...as you states some things that blatantly don't apply for Kakuzu....

 

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ugh how can you not see the movement, *sigh* I hate circling things....

Clearly you haven't bothered too learn much about Kakuzu though...as you states some things that blatantly don't apply for Kakuzu....

No really I don't.. he is in the same spot in the scan you provided and the other one I provided. If you are referring to this movement where he appears like he's slouching then standing upright it still doesn't matter because he didn't anticipate Kakashi.

Nope I don't as I said I don't debate much and i don't study characters like kakuzu but if you are referring to having threads in his body and lack of organs then I already went over that with you.

 

[Zexion~]

No really I don't.. he is in the same spot in the scan you provided and the other one I provided. If you are referring to this movement where he appears like he's slouching then standing upright it still doesn't matter because he didn't anticipate Kakashi.

Nope I don't as I said I don't debate much and i don't study characters like kakuzu but if you are referring to having threads in his body and lack of organs then I already went over that with you.

No you didn't? Lmao you just said Kakuzu is alive ...so he has organs....

And yes he moves his head hence the diamond like shape indicating movement :| And he moves his arms...

Which means he still moved..and now your just going to act like he didn't? Lmao come on ..Whatever ill end ya life in my counter

 

[Shura]

@Zexion. Just counter his damn post, Butthead. :|

 

[Zexion~]

@Zexion. Just counter his damn post, Butthead. :|

Will later, watching bleach >.> Need to get into it...