SM Jiraiya and Zetsu Orochimaru vs Killer Bee and Ay

[Europa]

The gang bangers win the first scenario with exerting no more than a minimal amount of effort. The Hachibi completely destroys them. The second scenario they also lose, three speed based opponents with impressive durability and strength, one of which can end you in a single attack? I don't see them constantly evading and countering effectively. Sooner or later they lose.

 

[Joker]

Nope no mattter how much you try to overrate orochimarus reserves he is still not spamming oral rebirth
nor is he ever in a million years outlastiing third raikage who has bijuu level reserves,


Lol at rashomon gates being a factor,
using databook as a statement for orochimarus reserves is also not hellping when he is still no where near the third,
--he lacks a way to even scratch him, how on earth is he beating him,
--him being slower than raikage as welll as his body being pierced by nukite with utmost ease
orochimaru spitting another body would just result in him being pierced by nukite again, and with him unable to use oral rebirth means that he dies,


Lol, No,
Orochimaru is still slower than the raikage whether u like it or not, the raikage can land a hit very easily on orochimaru, as the latter then dies to a nukite,
and dont even mention orochimarus summons, they get eradicated by the raikage with utmost ease

You clearly forgor the fact he can absorb chakra through physical contact. Raikage pierces him, Orochimaru touches him, he gains more chakra. It continues like that until one of them gives up, and seeing the fact that the Raikage's chakra is constantly going to be sapped continuously, it's not going to be Orochimaru.

Also, when did I ever state the Rashomon gates would be a factor? I simply said, summoning three of them is a testament to his reserves, never did I mention he would use them for battle purposes. Nuktite isn't two shotting, three shotting, at all. If he choses to go into his true form, it's a wrap. Not only is his real body more adept at regenerating, his blood spews everywhere causing a cloud of paralyzing posion to be amidst, Raikage is trapped in his tracks, Orochimaru pounces.

Then we have the fact he can spit out a body in seconds. If we use the example; Raikage runs up, pierces Orochimaru in the chest, before he makes contact, Orochimaru spits out his real body, and gets him from behind, considering his linear attack pattern.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oro did have the Rashoumon take the grunt of 4T-V2 Naruto's Bijuudama. And Gyuuki's BD hasn't shown as much grunt as the Kyuubi's, as it wasn't able to mortally wound Suigetsu or itself.

All that means is that Suigetsu connected to a lake is extra durable. KN4's Bijuu Dama is smaller than B's, and the explosion is much smaller as well. B busts Mountains, KN4 has the brunt of his attack blocked by Rashomon. So Orochimaru isn't stopping it.

With Oro around and Jiraiya able to use Kage Bunshins, they could employ a strategy which allows time for Gama Rinshou to be executed.

Not likely. Unless they can hide somewhere since the original Jiraiya will always have the Toad Sages on his shoulders. Thus they have to hide, but that's not going to happen against two opponents who have the speed advantage, (And its not even close) when B has moves like Bijuu Dama to nuke the whole field, and when the arena has no good hiding spots.

Ay has no counter but Bee maybe able to escape if Gyuki doesn't get ensnared. The latter is hard to determine since Bijuu are well aware of what's happening "outside".

They are aware, but the Genjutsu affects the chakra of the host, thus Gyuki is unaffected, and he breaks B out.

 

[KidGamer65]

Just like Kyuubiruto's arm tore through his snake? The same arm that caused giant explosions with a single swing?

Nukite>>FRS>>>>KN4's Bijuu Dama>>KN4's arm swing.

 

[Europa]

Zetsu's chakra absorption is nothing to factor in here; No shinobi with grand reserves were sucked dry, Hell. No shinobi period was brought to that point other than possibly Neji. Although he apparently had enough to continue fighting. Orochimaru'll get torn apart before he can even get much off the Raikage. Who has chakra to spare, mind you.

Unless you're referring to the single moment he reclaimed solely his chakra. Which, I just take as him reabsorbing his own chakra in a similar manner to Kabuto taking the chakra from the curse mark. Doesn't mean he has some incredibly ability to constantly take chakra like Samehada-chan. The only thing here in Orochimaru's arsenal even worth a mention is the Kusanagi. Other than that, he can't harm the two Raikage's and straight up isn't doing anything to Bee. Aside from the five pronged seal.

 

[Nattana]

Nukite>>FRS>>>>KN4's Bijuu Dama>>KN4's arm swing.

And? Any of these abilities can destroy Oro's snake with a direct hit. Too bad the snake didn't give KN4 enough time to react before his arm got constricted. Same would happen to 3rd.

And look at this. A point-blank strike was countered like the 3rd was a fodder. And it has nothing to do with movement speed - 3rd's pathetic fighting style is easy to block/dodge/evade/stop/whatever [

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[ARGUS]

Oro did have the Rashoumon take the grunt of 4T-V2 Naruto's Bijuudama. And Gyuuki's BD hasn't shown as much grunt as the Kyuubi's, as it wasn't able to mortally wound Suigetsu or itself.

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and Lol at hachibis TBB being inferior to KN4, when hachibis TBB dwarve mountains,

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and Lol at the gates being even a factor

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and seeing how the gates were eradicated by only one inferior TBB, means that orochimaru as well as his fodder gates get wrecked,

and as for suigetsu, that was a Bijuu Wave, its properties and magnitude are vastly inferior to a TBB, not to mention that as said above, all that implies is that suigetsu under water is very durable, it doesnt mean that a bijuu wave is weak

With Oro around and Jiraiya able to use Kage Bunshins, they could employ a strategy which allows time for Gama Rinshou to be executed. Ay has no counter but Bee maybe able to escape if Gyuki doesn't get ensnared. The latter is hard to determine since Bijuu are well aware of what's happening "outside".

No strategy is worth mentioning herre,
none of them have any answer to Killer bees firepower, and also have no way of hurting it, seeing how the hachibi can tank its own TBB. and with V2 Ay going around and blitzing them completly means that frog song is never getting prepped, as they stomp the ever living shit out of them,

I agree with S2 though, there's no way they can deal with Sandaime Raikage unless Jiraiya figures the secret. But that's unlikely considering their attention would be scattered.

Good, that means you have some common sense unlike most of the users here,

You clearly forgor the fact he can absorb chakra through physical contact.

Proof?

Raikage pierces him, Orochimaru touches him, he gains more chakra. It continues like that until one of them gives up, and seeing the fact that the Raikage's chakra is constantly going to be sapped continuously, it's not going to be Orochimaru.

Nope, Raikage lands his hell stab, and orochimaru dies,
he needs to actually touch his opponent to absorb his chakra, similar to yoroi
and with the nukites quick penetrating effect, orochimaru would be pierced before he even absorbs 10% of the jutsu

Also, when did I ever state the Rashomon gates would be a factor? I simply said, summoning three of them is a testament to his reserves, never did I mention he would use them for battle purposes.

they honestly dont give much of a chakra reserve indication at all, when people like even sakon could summon the gates
and not that iit matters since the raikages reserves are on a whole other level either way

Nuktite isn't two shotting, three shotting, at all. If he choses to go into his true form, it's a wrap. Not only is his real body more adept at regenerating, his blood spews everywhere causing a cloud of paralyzing posion to be amidst, Raikage is trapped in his tracks, Orochimaru pounces.

orochimaru still lacks a way of damagin the raikage,
nukite is still one shotting him, whether you like it or not, he doesnt have the duarrbility to tank it when even the thirds durability was bypassed by it, the same guy who tanked FRS,

and Lol at his true form being a factor,
the giant snake was eradicated by chidori streams and hydra was chopped to pieces with susanoo,
both of the attacks have no where near the power of third raikage

raikage uses a nukite, if oro uses oral rebirth, then he uses nukite again and orochimaru dies, as he cant use oral rebirth within rapid succession,

Then we have the fact he can spit out a body in seconds. If we use the example; Raikage runs up, pierces Orochimaru in the chest, before he makes contact, Orochimaru spits out his real body, and gets him from behind, considering his linear attack pattern.

He gets him from behind, raikage reacts, and then pierces him with nukite again,
or the raikage doesnt bother with his attack at all, and tanks it with utmost ease,

 

[KidGamer65]

And? Any of these abilities can destroy Oro's snake with a direct hit. Too bad the snake didn't give KN4 enough time to react before his arm got constricted. Same would happen to 3rd.

Except KN4 is nowhere near the Raikage's level in speed or reactions. So no, Orochimaru's snakes aren't blitzing him, he reacts and cuts them apart.

And look at this. A point-blank strike was countered like the 3rd was a fodder. And it has nothing to do with movement speed - 3rd's pathetic fighting style is easy to block/dodge/evade/stop/whatever [

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All this means is that Dodai is fast enough to react, and has the reactions needed to form his Rubber. Once again, this is a positive for Dodai, not a negative for the Raikage, since there is nothing that ever implied Dodai was some slow fodder.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Umm if the 3rd attacks perfect form oro oro gets a new body via paralyzing poison just saying ...

 

[Joker]

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and Lol at hachibis TBB being inferior to KN4, when hachibis TBB dwarve mountains,

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and Lol at the gates being even a factor

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and seeing how the gates were eradicated by only one inferior TBB, means that orochimaru as well as his fodder gates get wrecked,

and as for suigetsu, that was a Bijuu Wave, its properties and magnitude are vastly inferior to a TBB, not to mention that as said above, all that implies is that suigetsu under water is very durable, it doesnt mean that a bijuu wave is weak


No strategy is worth mentioning herre,
none of them have any answer to Killer bees firepower, and also have no way of hurting it, seeing how the hachibi can tank its own TBB. and with V2 Ay going around and blitzing them completly means that frog song is never getting prepped, as they stomp the ever living shit out of them,


Good, that means you have some common sense unlike most of the users here,


Proof?

Nope, Raikage lands his hell stab, and orochimaru dies,
he needs to actually touch his opponent to absorb his chakra, similar to yoroi
and with the nukites quick penetrating effect, orochimaru would be pierced before he even absorbs 10% of the jutsu


they honestly dont give much of a chakra reserve indication at all, when people like even sakon could summon the gates
and not that iit matters since the raikages reserves are on a whole other level either way


orochimaru still lacks a way of damagin the raikage,
nukite is still one shotting him, whether you like it or not, he doesnt have the duarrbility to tank it when even the thirds durability was bypassed by it, the same guy who tanked FRS,

and Lol at his true form being a factor,
the giant snake was eradicated by chidori streams and hydra was chopped to pieces with susanoo,
both of the attacks have no where near the power of third raikage

raikage uses a nukite, if oro uses oral rebirth, then he uses nukite again and orochimaru dies, as he cant use oral rebirth within rapid succession,


He gets him from behind, raikage reacts, and then pierces him with nukite again,
or the raikage doesnt bother with his attack at all, and tanks it with utmost ease,

Instead of "loling" all the time, you should comprehend what you read. Your bias is off putting, not that interested in debating with you anymore.

 

[ARGUS]

Instead of "loling" all the time, you should comprehend what you read. Your bias is off putting, not that interested in debating with you anymore.

Where have i used bias? just because i disagree with you, doesnt make me biased,
instead of saying that ur just ''not interested'' give some counters, which you clearly dont seem to have any,
i have used ''lol'' because ur statements have earned it,

either concede, or give me some arguments, dont just say that ur not interested, because all that does is signify ur incompetence

 

[Joker]

Where have i used bias? just because i disagree with you, doesnt make me biased,
instead of saying that ur just ''not interested'' give some counters, which you clearly dont seem to have any,
i have used ''lol'' because ur statements have earned it,

either concede, or give me some arguments, dont just say that ur not interested, because all that does is signify ur incompetence

I gave arguments, you just overwank some husky black dude with rippling pecks 'till kingdom come. Your last statement on your last reply didn't even counter what I stated. I'll give you some time to do your research, hit me up tomorrow.

 

[Bogard]

How does Zetsu Orochimaru not stomp this? U_U

 

[Joker]

How does Zetsu Orochimaru not stomp this? U_U

Ask Kifflom

 

[Bogard]

I was only joking. Never in my life will i support Orochimaru U_U Team2 should take this unless Orochimaru has edos though

 

[Europa]

And I had hope for you Boggy. I had hope. . .

 

[Joker]

I was only joking. Never in my life will i support Orochimaru U_U Team2 should take this unless Orochimaru has edos though

I know, you hate anacondas, yet your ride Minato's.

 

[ARGUS]

How does Zetsu Orochimaru not stomp this? U_U

Because he gets obliterated by TBB barrages from bee, or gets shredded to pieces by nukite and blitzed to oblivion by V2 Ay
whilst his jutsus wont even put a dent on third raikage or the hachibi,

I gave arguments, you just overwank some husky black dude with rippling pecks 'till kingdom come.

I smell spite here,
i replied to ur arguments, sadlly they still dont prove or help orochimaru here at alll,
there is no wank here in stating that orochimaru has no way of hurting the raiakge at all when the latter tanked FRS the same attack that shits on any of orochimarus jutsus

Your last statement on your last reply didn't even counter what I stated. I'll give you some time to do your research, hit me up tomorrow.

It actually did, orochimarus reflexes and striking speed are far inferior to the raikages,
and his attacks are not worth mentioning,
and seeing how he cant use oral rebirth within rapid succession means that he would get wrecked by hell stab, if he attempts to come near him just after using the jutsu,

 

[blazekev90]

It should be clear Edo Tensei isn't taken into account.

B1tch you guessed it!!

 

[blazekev90]

I was only joking. Never in my life will i support Orochimaru U_U Team2 should take this unless Orochimaru has edos though

Lol you mad Orochimaru defeats Minato bro?