[Theory] Shunsui will die

[Ddotscrotes]

Ok let me start off by saying im a huge shunsui fanboy So this hurts me the most ?. Ok, now this is mostly speculation but im pretty confident in my assumptions. First off, im pretty sure hell face off against haschwalth as his final, all out, epic, bankai revealing show down! Secondly, im also pretty sure haschwalth's ability will be B "the balance" sooo many people have agreed on this being it makes the most sense and its pretty apparent when he goes to kill cang du and scales appear behind him. Thirdly, i beleive his power of "the balance" means the balance of the battle will always remain equal, which entails everytime he gets hit the opponent(s) suffers the same damage, and vice versa. So for example if shunsui cuts his right arm, shunsui's right arm will also get cut etc etc. This works two ways i beleive so if orihime were to heal shunsui, haschwalth would also be healed. so to my final and initial point shunsui will reveal his bankai, which is will haxxed but face a constant dilemma of also hurting himself ultimately leading to both of there deaths.

 

[Urda]

Maybe, but he would go to all that trouble just to kill him?

 

[Ddotscrotes]

Maybe, but he would go to all that trouble just to kill him?

Yea its kind of his duty lol. Who else will he go up against hes captain commander so you'd think Bach but thats ichigos battle so he'll take the next best thing.

 

[A v i]

IMO only possible opponents for Haschwalth are Ichigo/Ishida/ Urahara/Aizen.

 

[Ddotscrotes]

IMO only possible opponents for Haschwalth are Ichigo/Ishida/ Urahara/Aizen.

Its funny you say that cause it was my opinion too for awhile but then i reread the arc again and it just makes sense for it to be shunsui. Since they have met prior. When you look at bleach from our perspective ichigo is the strongest hero and Bach villain correct? Then the second villain is haschwalth and hero shunsui ( arguably kisuke or kenpachi but by rank well go shunsui plus his bankai stands to possibly be the strongest) i honestly think a twist is coming with aizen and itll end up aizen vs kisuke.

 

[A v i]

Its funny you say that cause it was my opinion too for awhile but then i reread the arc again and it just makes sense for it to be shunsui. Since they have met prior. When you look at bleach from our perspective ichigo is the strongest hero and Bach villain correct? Then the second villain is haschwalth and hero shunsui ( arguably kisuke or kenpachi but by rank well go shunsui plus his bankai stands to possibly be the strongest) i honestly think a twist is coming with aizen and itll end up aizen vs kisuke.

I don't think he'd end up facing second strongest just because he's the CC. He's definitely not strong enough to beat Jugo. Yes, even in his bankai he can't beat Jugo. But I can see Ukitake and Kyoraku teaming up to beat him. My guess is that he'll most likely end up facing strongest one of elite force. Now, a question will rise in your head. Kyoraku is most likely above Urahara in terms of strength then how exactly he's going to beat him? Well this is Urahara we are talking about. You can't win against him just by being strong so he might be able to pull a win against him.

Kyoraku's bankai isn't strongest. Ukitake is easily on par with Kyoraku. Aizen is obviously stronger than him and we have Isshin shiba. This guy managed to hold his own against Aizen without even using his Shikai.

Aizen and Ishida are the only people capable of defeating him as of now. I can see Aizen sacrificing himself while fighting Yhwach. Jugo has some kind of grudge against Ishida so I believe that they'll most likely face each other.

 

[Ddotscrotes]

I don't think he'd end up facing second strongest just because he's the CC. He's definitely not strong enough to beat Jugo. Yes, even in his bankai he can't beat Jugo. But I can see Ukitake and Kyoraku teaming up to beat him. My guess is that he'll most likely end up facing strongest one of elite force. Now, a question will rise in your head. Kyoraku is most likely above Urahara in terms of strength then how exactly he's going to beat him? Well this is Urahara we are talking about. You can't win against him just by being strong so he might be able to pull a win against him.



Kyoraku's bankai isn't strongest. Ukitake is easily on par with Kyoraku. Aizen is obviously stronger than him and we have Isshin shiba. This guy managed to hold his own against Aizen without even using his Shikai.

Aizen and Ishida are the only people capable of defeating him as of now. I can see Aizen sacrificing himself while fighting Yhwach. Jugo has some kind of grudge against Ishida so I believe that they'll most likely face each other.

How do you know hes not strong enough? Hes been around for a millenium which gives him far more experience than isshin. He trained directly under Yamamoto (even possibly retsu). Aizen was toying with isshin and was nearing the end of his shinigami powers. Shuns uo may not be as smart as kisuke usually but in battle id say theyre on par, kisukes best feature im battle in his calm demeanor and noones calmer than shunsui. I agree with your point that ukitake will help but he'll die before shunsui and that'll has him up to go all out. Your forgetting he made child's play out (no pun intended)(on second thought, yes it is) of aizens number onee espada. I think your heavily under valuing this mans potential. And what makes you say jugram has beef with uryuu? I always thought he was neutral on him cause Bach chose him and he just goes with whatever Bach says lol

 

[sravan]

enough with the killing i just want the captains & vice captains to go all out and reveal bankai's.

 

[A v i]

How do you know hes not strong enough? Hes been around for a millenium which gives him far more experience than isshin. He trained directly under Yamamoto (even possibly retsu). Aizen was toying with isshin and was nearing the end of his shinigami powers. Shuns uo may not be as smart as kisuke usually but in battle id say theyre on par, kisukes best feature im battle in his calm demeanor and noones calmer than shunsui. I agree with your point that ukitake will help but he'll die before shunsui and that'll has him up to go all out. Your forgetting he made child's play out (no pun intended)(on second thought, yes it is) of aizens number onee espada. I think your heavily under valuing this mans potential. And what makes you say jugram has beef with uryuu? I always thought he was neutral on him cause Bach chose him and he just goes with whatever Bach says lol

Accutrone ,someone far weaker than Jugo was fighting on par with Kyoraku and even managed to wound his eye. Kyoraku clearly admitted that he can't beat him without bankai. At best Kyoraku with Bankai is a bit stronger than Low ranked Quincy. He's somewhere b/w elites and low ranked quincy. Members of 0 division were portrayed to be stronger than Kyoraku. Bach's elite solders are stronger than 0 division members (Except Ichibi) and Jugo is stronger than them. Still you think Kyoraku can take on Jugo? This is how it goes according to what we have seen till now. Jugo > Elites > 0 Division members > Kyoraku with bankai > Low ranked quincy.

Experience means nothing in the world of Bleach. Look at Ichigo and what he has accomplished. Aizen wasn't toying with Isshin, What he did against Ichigo is what you should consider as toying. It doesn't matter if he was at his limit, the thing is that Aizen in base can easily overwhelm any captain where as he failed to do that against base Isshin. He's the father of Ichigo means that he's the Origin of Ichigo's shinigami powers. You shouldn't underestimate someone like him.

It wasn't child's play, Stark fought on par with 4 captain level fighters at the same time. He forced Kyoraku to use bankai, no need to mention that Stark has no intention of seriously fighting either.

It's because he knew the true motives of Ishida, Ishida'll obviously try to kill Bach and Jugo might end up getting in his way.

 

[Ddotscrotes]

Accutrone ,someone far weaker than Jugo was fighting on par with Kyoraku and even managed to wound his eye. Kyoraku clearly admitted that he can't beat him without bankai. At best Kyoraku with Bankai is a bit stronger than Low ranked Quincy. He's somewhere b/w elites and low ranked quincy. Members of 0 division were portrayed to be stronger than Kyoraku. Bach's elite solders are stronger than 0 division members (Except Ichibi) and Jugo is stronger than them. Still you think Kyoraku can take on Jugo? This is how it goes according to what we have seen till now. Jugo > Elites > 0 Division members > Kyoraku with bankai > Low ranked quincy.

Shunsui said he'd probably need bankai, he made no attempt to fight back anyway. Plus hes the type of guy who doesnt wanna make people feel bad so he tries to prevent hurting anyones pride and is prone to saying something like "oh your tough ill probably need my bankai for you" And your leaving out the concept that kubo has a hugely hyped up character with a huge following that needs a big fight and like i said itll start out shunsui and Kushiro til jushiro dies. Levels means nothing in bleach or manga for that matter, rankings are there to give the reader anxiety and doubt thats literally all.

Experience means nothing in the world of Bleach. Look at Ichigo and what he has accomplished. Aizen wasn't toying with Isshin, What he did against Ichigo is what you should consider as toying. It doesn't matter if he was at his limit, the thing is that Aizen in base can easily overwhelm any captain where as he failed to do that against base Isshin. He's the father of Ichigo means that he's the Origin of Ichigo's shinigami powers. You shouldn't underestimate someone like him.

Isshin had a huge advantage of not seeing his zanpakuto which is aizen's power move, while hes still very powerful without any captain would give him a run for his money if they weren't hypnotized. Isshin being ichigos root to being a shinigami isnt even a point worth making. Literally any soul reaper could have been his father or mother for that matter as long as ichigo had a connection to seireitei this whole story is possible.

It wasn't child's play, Stark fought on par with 4 captain level fighters at the same time. He forced Kyoraku to use bankai, no need to mention that Stark has no intention of seriously fighting either.

Stark fought fodder captains come on now. Thats the type of point that sounds good and sounds like a compelling argument but in reality its empty. he fought fodder who havent accomplished anything but getting there asses kicked. And he only used shikai and made it look easy from that point on.

It's because he knew the true motives of Ishida, Ishida'll obviously try to kill Bach and Jugo might end up getting in his way.

Yea i just went back to those chapters and there is hostility there. I just never took haschwalth as someone for his own motives or even emotions for that matter

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Not sure, why would Kubo writte Shunsui's death when he just become CC?

 

[ssjelf]

It's definitely gonna be kyoraku and ukitake vs jugram. They clearly have unfinished business. Even if kyoraku dies, he will accomplish his objective. (Whatever it may be) if his objective is to stall then jugram will be stalled. If he wants to kill jugram then jugram will die. The ukitake/kyoraku combo has literally been hyped to be greater than everyone ever so them losing to jugram isn't too much of a worry. It is Kubos story so whatever has happened to kyoraku prior doesn't matter so much because plot has bigger relevance.

OT: he might die or he might not but like I said above it will be ukitake/kyoraku vs jugram. If course if they die I think jugram probably will too. That being said, I don't think jugram will have a power like you described. When he cut cang du, I'm pretty sure he used his power, but jugram didn't get cut. To me I think his power more or less evens the playing field. What I think that means is that one person can't have an advantage over the other in terms of abilities or reiatsu. I don't think it effects knowledge or skill. I think kyorakus shikai suited to fight jugram for this reason because his ability can already be used by the opponent and therefore the field is already balanced. Perhaps jugram will gain knowledge of kyorakus abilities but it doesn't matter because kyoraku has more experience with it. I also think that in jugrams eyes that a 2v1 against him is fair because of how strong he is. It's a perfect match up because kyorakus abilities are fair to the opponent and a 2v1 is probably fair to jugram. Ukitake might get his abilities nerfed though.

 

[Nebula]

Shunsui solos losing an eye at most.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Kyoraku will fight him one on one they should be about even in power I don't think ether will die if they fight.

 

[A v i]

Kyoraku will fight him one on one they should be about even in power I don't think ether will die if they fight.

Are u saying that Kyoraku is stronger than members of 0 division?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Are u saying that Kyoraku is stronger than members of 0 division?

Well first off we don't know how much power tge zero division used in their battle against the elites an second the elites were givin more power thanks to Bach tec so they could have also been stronger than jugram.

An kyoraku bankai might be haxx like aizen ks not as haxx but kinda close to it...an I don't think any of the zero division can beat aizen one on one thanks to ks(well mabey ichibei can) but same goes for bach elite members they lose to aizen thanks to ks even though physicaly they are way stronger than him.

Cuz there have been rumors of people saying that kubo said that kyoraku in bankai form is stronger than aizen but I can't find a real source for that info.

 

[MinatoForPresident]

About that power ranking including the zero division, elite guards etc:

We don't even know yet how exactly that fight between elites and 0. division turned out. Considering what we've seen it indeed seems like 0 divison was owned by the elite guards, but it isn't certain since we haven't seen anything from that fight beside Ōetsu being shot after their power up, who could've been healed by Tenjirō since he is pretty skilled in healing after all.

Anyway i'm not saying that it's what happend but until further informations there is a possibility of that the remaining of the Royal Guards were owned by Bach himself too, and not by the elites / jugram.

 

[A v i]

Well first off we don't know how much power tge zero division used in their battle against the elites an second the elites were givin more power thanks to Bach tec so they could have also been stronger than jugram.

Soul King is dead bro, and you think 0 division will just play around without doing their best at a time like this? They did everything they can and were annihilated by elites. Jugo's strength is only next to Bach and he's portrayed to be someone that will eventually become next emperor. It's extremely unlikely to think that he's weaker than elites. Ishida and Jugo are clearly above elites according to portrayal.

An kyoraku bankai might be haxx like aizen ks not as haxx but kinda close to it...an I don't think any of the zero division can beat aizen one on one thanks to ks(well mabey ichibei can) but same goes for bach elite members they lose to aizen thanks to ks even though physicaly they are way stronger than him.

It doesn't matter if his bankai is haxed. He clearly admitted that he's inferior to the members of 0 division so there is no denying it.

Cuz there have been rumors of people saying that kubo said that kyoraku in bankai form is stronger than aizen but I can't find a real source for that info.

No, he never said that, it's just a rumour as far as I know. Aizen already defeated Kyoraku and other cap's without even trying in his shikai.So I don't think his bankai is stronger then Aizens.

About that power ranking including the zero division, elite guards etc:

We don't even know yet how exactly that fight between elites and 0. division turned out. Considering what we've seen it indeed seems like 0 divison was owned by the elite guards, but it isn't certain since we haven't seen anything from that fight beside Ōetsu being shot after their power up, who could've been healed by Tenjirō since he is pretty skilled in healing after all.

Anyway i'm not saying that it's what happend but until further informations there is a possibility of that the remaining of the Royal Guards were owned by Bach himself too, and not by the elites / jugram.

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[jiraiya nindo]

Shunsui will live and stay CC. Ukitake is going to die; ichigo will become SK; rukia, renji and hisagi will become captains. Maybe urahara gets promoted to RG

 

[Ddotscrotes]

Keep in mind the elite guard have their stature because they brought something to the SS like ichibei named everything, namaiya created zanpakuto, etc. with that in mind they were all once captains just like shunsui, which could mean hes as strong as any of them mayn even stronger but didnt have a special ability. Exclude ichibei i guess cause hes portrayed to be very OP.