[Discussion] SH's vs Doffy

[chopstickchakra]

Do you think the SH's(all of them) at Dressrosa could have beaten Doffy? If so at more or less difficulty then Law&Luffy?

I can't decide yet, Law's ability was a big reason why they won but would the sheer number and abilities of the SH be enough to outweigh that help from Law or no?

 

[Passerby]

G4 Luffy and Zoro are enough to defeat Doflamingo.

 

[loj]

Easy...come on...

 

[Sheele]

G4 Luffy and Zoro are enough to defeat Doflamingo.

This ^

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doffy would control the weaker ones and take them out of the game pronto by throwing them into the way of an attack or having them kill each other.

 

[ToshiZO]

Are you serious right now?

Do you mean in gauntlet format or together.

If together then Luffy and Zoro should suffice no need for anybody else.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Are you serious right now?

Do you mean in gauntlet format or together.

If together then Luffy and Zoro should suffice no need for anybody else.

This ^

G4 Luffy and Zoro are enough to defeat Doflamingo.

Are you guys sure? Law's Room played a big part in them landing hits and avoiding death. Plus Law's Gamma Knife did a significant chunk of the damage in that fight. Let's not forget(the highly debated) issue of Sanji and Zoro's levels too, despite what fans of each like to say they are still relatively close in portrayals and Sanji couldn't really help against DD.

I do think the SH's could work out a win after all the team was able to break down Oars(and if for no other reason then they're the main cast) but it wouldn't nearly be as easy as just Luffy and Zoro. Imagine Doffy's face though after taking one G4 punch to have Nami use Mirage Tempo and make it look like there's 4-5 G4 Luffy to deal with lol.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Are you serious right now?

Do you mean in gauntlet format or together.

If together then Luffy and Zoro should suffice no need for anybody else.

Law is stronger than Zoro and him and Luffy together couldn't bring down Doflamingo, even with Gear 4th being used. There's no way Luffy and Zoro alone are taking down Doflamingo. Doflamingo creates a Shadow Joker or two and controls Sanji and everyone weaker than him. Is Zoro and Luffy just gonna plow through their friends? I think not. A numbers game isn't a good way to fight Doflamingo, especially when the third strongest of the numbers have shown they can't fend off Doflamingo's marionette powers and the second strongest is weaker than Law, who couldn't bring down Doflamingo with Luffy without the help of Gats and dozens of Colosseum fighters.

People seem to forget Doflamingo's defeat was very, very circumstantial and forget the amount of help it took for Luffy and Law to actually bring him down.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Law is stronger than Zoro and him and Luffy together couldn't bring down Doflamingo, even with Gear 4th being used. There's no way Luffy and Zoro alone are taking down Doflamingo.

I don't know if I'd say he's stronger necessarily but he is a more strategic fighter.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

G4 Luffy and Zoro are enough to defeat Doflamingo.

i think he means without luffy if so then no zoro and sanji r far from enough to defeat a healthy doffy hell i could argue post gamma knife doffy could still take them out via awakening

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I don't know if I'd say he's stronger necessarily but he is a more strategic fighter.

come on now overall law is stronger then zoro -.- (not talking about physically but just in general)

 

[chopstickchakra]

i think he means without luffy if so then no zoro and sanji r far from enough to defeat a healthy doffy hell i could argue post gamma knife doffy could still take them out via awakening

come on now overall law is stronger then zoro -.- (not talking about physically but just in general)

No I meant the entire SH crew including Luffy with G4(with the time limit) The exact SH crew we saw at DR. I said the whole crew + Luffy because Luffy clearly wasn't enough on his own even at that point and as you said Law is a better fighter than Zoro which made me think if the rest of the SH's could equal to Law's contributions.

I agree Law is a better and more adept fighter but when people say stronger I take it as it is, physically stronger and Zoro is (I feel) well above Law in strength. Just because someone is stronger, doesn't mean they will win in a fight if they don't have the means to compete.

 

[Love Cook]

I don't think so.

Law played a critical role in the victory. His devil fruit is tricky and swapping people in and out of the fight was key to win.

if Law got replaced by people like Zoro and Sanji who charge in but don't hit as hard as G4 Luffy, Doflamingo will have a field day with them. Also even an injured Doflamingo outlasted G4 Luffy, so there still is a pretty big gap in power.

And Riker has a fair point, the weaker strawhats would become hindrances, Doflamingo would turn them into puppets and make them fight each other, At that point Luffy (and maybe Zoro and Sanji if they can escape his control) will have their hands full of stopping them while Doflamingo is laughing like a maniac in the background.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Law is stronger than Zoro and him and Luffy together couldn't bring down Doflamingo, even with Gear 4th being used. There's no way Luffy and Zoro alone are taking down Doflamingo. Doflamingo creates a Shadow Joker or two and controls Sanji and everyone weaker than him. Is Zoro and Luffy just gonna plow through their friends? I think not. A numbers game isn't a good way to fight Doflamingo, especially when the third strongest of the numbers have shown they can't fend off Doflamingo's marionette powers and the second strongest is weaker than Law, who couldn't bring down Doflamingo with Luffy without the help of Gats and dozens of Colosseum fighters.

People seem to forget Doflamingo's defeat was very, very circumstantial and forget the amount of help it took for Luffy and Law to actually bring him down.

This answers the question pretty much.

 

[ToshiZO]

Law is stronger than Zoro and him and Luffy together couldn't bring down Doflamingo, even with Gear 4th being used. There's no way Luffy and Zoro alone are taking down Doflamingo. Doflamingo creates a Shadow Joker or two and controls Sanji and everyone weaker than him. Is Zoro and Luffy just gonna plow through their friends? I think not. A numbers game isn't a good way to fight Doflamingo, especially when the third strongest of the numbers have shown they can't fend off Doflamingo's marionette powers and the second strongest is weaker than Law, who couldn't bring down Doflamingo with Luffy without the help of Gats and dozens of Colosseum fighters.

People seem to forget Doflamingo's defeat was very, very circumstantial and forget the amount of help it took for Luffy and Law to actually bring him down.

It's real simple.

Law and Luffy didn't even fight Doflamingo together, any time Law and Luffy attacked together Doflamingo had no chance in hell, he was getting bodied.

Now granted Zoro isn't Law, he certainly is not gonna give the support Law gave with his room, but how many panels were Law and Luffy even fighting together? Not to mention Law wasn't even full strength in the entirety of Dressrosa.

Doflamingo is not handling two of these guys at once, the others will only get in the way like you said.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's real simple.

Law and Luffy didn't even fight Doflamingo together, any time Law and Luffy attacked together Doflamingo had no chance in hell, he was getting bodied.

And why didn't that continue to happen? Because Luffy and Law got separated. Why were Luffy and Law separated? Because Luffy and Law vs Doflamingo turned into Luffy and Law vs Doflamingo, Bellamy, Shadow Joker, and Trebol. Now imagine what happens when SHs vs Doflamingo turn into Zoro and Luffy(and this under the assumption Zoro can't be affected by the marionette powers) vs Doflamingo, Shadow Joker, Sanji, Franky, Nami, Usopp, Robin, Chopper, and Brook.

Now granted Zoro isn't Law, he certainly is not gonna give the support Law gave with his room, but how many panels were Law and Luffy even fighting together? Not to mention Law wasn't even full strength in the entirety of Dressrosa.

Let's take a look at what happened while Law and Luffy were together, before being separated.

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I don't see any scans of Doffy being "bodied" by the two of them at once. Quite the opposite.

 

[ToshiZO]

Let's take a look at what happened while Law and Luffy were together, before being separated.

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I don't see any scans of Doffy being "bodied" by the two of them at once. Quite the opposite.

Lmfao are you serious right now Riker?

Did you just pull up a scan of Law getting stopped by Trebol and Doflamingo cheapshotting him to prove your point?

And why didn't that continue to happen? Because Luffy and Law got separated. Why were Luffy and Law separated? Because Luffy and Law vs Doflamingo turned into Luffy and Law vs Doflamingo, Bellamy, Shadow Joker, and Trebol. Now imagine what happens when SHs vs Doflamingo turn into Zoro and Luffy(and this under the assumption Zoro can't be affected by the marionette powers) vs Doflamingo, Shadow Joker, Sanji, Franky, Nami, Usopp, Robin, Chopper, and Brook.

Didn't I just say more numbers works against them. If we're talking strawhats thats a different matter, although I still doubt Doflamingo is winning it.

But I even agreed it would make matters worse this doesn't address Zoro and Luffy alone.

Doflamingo has nobody to use a shield, nor does he have Trebol this time, and Zoro is not 60-70% (like Law was) he is 100% here.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I don't think so.

Law played a critical role in the victory. His devil fruit is tricky and swapping people in and out of the fight was key to win.

if Law got replaced by people like Zoro and Sanji who charge in but don't hit as hard as G4 Luffy, Doflamingo will have a field day with them. Also even an injured Doflamingo outlasted G4 Luffy, so there still is a pretty big gap in power.

And Riker has a fair point, the weaker strawhats would become hindrances, Doflamingo would turn them into puppets and make them fight each other, At that point Luffy (and maybe Zoro and Sanji if they can escape his control) will have their hands full of stopping them while Doflamingo is laughing like a maniac in the background.

And why didn't that continue to happen? Because Luffy and Law got separated. Why were Luffy and Law separated? Because Luffy and Law vs Doflamingo turned into Luffy and Law vs Doflamingo, Bellamy, Shadow Joker, and Trebol. Now imagine what happens when SHs vs Doflamingo turn into Zoro and Luffy(and this under the assumption Zoro can't be affected by the marionette powers) vs Doflamingo, Shadow Joker, Sanji, Franky, Nami, Usopp, Robin, Chopper, and Brook.


Let's take a look at what happened while Law and Luffy were together, before being separated.

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I don't see any scans of Doffy being "bodied" by the two of them at once. Quite the opposite.

But on the other hand the crew was able to stop Oars' body with Luffy's shadow pre skip. Their teamwork isn't something to be underestimated(and I know that can get a little old and cheesy with most manga doing the same idea)

Also (and this is only a hypothetical because it was never touched on, so you can say no I can say yes but really neither of us have anything to stand on in that assumption) Luffy may be able to break Doffy's parasite grip on his crew if he can reach the threads in them and Franky may not get caught in Parasite depending on how his robotic body and steel parts react(Doffy would have to know and attach the strong to his back before Parasite should, keyword being should, take effect) not that Franky alone would be a significant boost.

And lastly, there's been the assumption they'd all hang out in a ring of sorts and fight(mainly because that's how they are in the comic) but Usopp being afraid could set off to the back with his karioseki cuffs he took from PH and wait for the rest of the crew to preoccupy Doffy long enough to get some good shots off.

I really don't think it's as cut and dry as either of you guys are making it out to be.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

It's real simple.

Law and Luffy didn't even fight Doflamingo together, any time Law and Luffy attacked together Doflamingo had no chance in hell, he was getting bodied.

Now granted Zoro isn't Law, he certainly is not gonna give the support Law gave with his room, but how many panels were Law and Luffy even fighting together? Not to mention Law wasn't even full strength in the entirety of Dressrosa.

Doflamingo is not handling two of these guys at once, the others will only get in the way like you said.

u down play doffy so much its not even funny


law is >> any straw hat bar luffy

the help he played and damage he did can not be replicated by any of the straw hats whether alone or together..... (in terms of internal organs)

doffy full power can handle zoro and luffy gear fourth or not hell he might not even be able to do second gear 4th (whether he would win it depends but he would not get merked he can def hold up his own etc)

zoro has already showed to have difficulty blocking doffy strings and sanji has shown to be like jozu restricted by them... luffy only in gear 4th can break out of an injured doffy (post gamma knife) strings... we do not know how strong his strings are when full...

then u have to realize how dangerous it would be to use gear 4th with other sh's as for one he cannot control where he would go etc not to mention if doffy attaches his strings to some of straw hats (from his person) and if he gets hit in gear 4th he would be pushed far away those straw hats are going with him....

do not even get me started with his awakening and how honestly what can they do? hell even law ****ed up majority of straw hats in one move shambles ... they would get in way and an advantage to doffy etc..

ur underestimating doffy and this type of fight to the max

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmfao are you serious right now Riker?

Did you just pull up a scan of Law getting stopped by Trebol and Doflamingo cheapshotting him to prove your point?

Yes. Because replace Trebol with a Shadow Joker or one of the seven other Strawhats. "Lel Doffy cheapshot him" Because Doflamingo is gonna employ nothing but fair tactics against the SHs and never go for an underhanded maneuver like controlling the other Strawhats or using Shadow Jokers?

The scans show that the whole "Yo, Law and Luffy together will body Joker" argument is false. They were together there, and it didn't stop Doffy from using some kind of underhanded maneuver to get around that. Nothing is stopping Doffy from using similar cheapshot methods with the SHs.

Doflamingo has nobody to use a shield, nor does he have Trebol this time, and Zoro is not 60-70% (like Law was) he is 100% here.

Oh yeah, cuz every SH is immune to Parasite. Sanji is just an unlucky bastard.

But on the other hand the crew was able to stop Oars' body with Luffy's shadow pre skip. Their teamwork isn't something to be underestimated(and I know that can get a little old and cheesy with most manga doing the same idea)

I forgot Oars was able to control them and force them onto his side to fight against themselves instead. Good point.

Also (and this is only a hypothetical because it was never touched on, so you can say no I can say yes but really neither of us have anything to stand on in that assumption) Luffy may be able to break Doffy's parasite grip on his crew if he can reach the threads in them and Franky may not get caught in Parasite depending on how his robotic body and steel parts react(Doffy would have to know and attach the strong to his back before Parasite should, keyword being should, take effect) not that Franky alone would be a significant boost.

Oh thank God Franky is immune to Parasite and that Doffy will just do nothing as Luffy moves and breaks the strings on all 7 people controlled.

And lastly, there's been the assumption they'd all hang out in a ring of sorts and fight(mainly because that's how they are in the comic) but Usopp being afraid could set off to the back with his karioseki cuffs he took from PH and wait for the rest of the crew to preoccupy Doffy long enough to get some good shots off.

I really don't think it's as cut and dry as either of you guys are making it out to be.

What's really cut and dry is "Luffy will just snap the strings" and "SHs have more people, of course they win."