Shino vs Neji

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Shino is lowkey a savage, lmfao dude chased Kankuro all through the forest to get his fight

I would assume Neji wins. While he cannot dodge the bugs physically (not many people can if you look at the facts) Neji's one body blow or Kaiten should blow them away, no? Bug feints are seen through via Byakugan, so no blindsiding like he did VS Kankuro and again, all bugs are removed via one body blow/Kaiten.

Would love to see arguments for Shino. What can he do here?

Save my self from writing this, thanks lol.

Neji wins mid diff

Neji should take it

Shino spank that ass.
@proof didn't know you wrote novels fam. gonna read dat l8r

Fûcking Hell proof, when I get off work I'll read your formations and shit.

What? They can react as fast as they want fact is they move slow, and if they are trying to surround someone else shits going to take a while, not to mention Neji can see all of them and find the holes anyways. That's not how it works, it doesn't have to just be a blitz he's faster than Shino in everything that has anything to do with speed :lol, he just has to continuously move towards him whether it be a blitz or not and he's going to reach him, any bugs pop up in his way, he can air palm out of the way while barely slowing him down. Once he gets close enough its GG shino as people with better reactions couldn't react to his blitzes.



No but it can focus in on the original better, so unless he starts out with the clones already made its useless as he's not losing track of the original. Besides when was clone making even his thing? Especially 3 or 4?



You can if they never get the chance to.

Bro although Neji beats Shino mid high, You left yourself wide open to make this low mid. I'm going in!

Lets make something happen, forgive me in advance if im a bit lazy with my post. haha





Normally terrain would be great in shino's favor if it was anyone but neji. But since The terrain actually Favors both your claim is debunked. Neji actually would make great use of this terrain in the fact every inch of the Forrest would be scoped and mapped out before the fight even begins!

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In a instant me mapped Over 800 meters worth of Forrest Precisely with zero difficulty finding tags about 8 inches long in the most bazzar places. This means he would not only know every escape route he would use in the future he would also know based on your placement in the Forrest every escape route you would attempt as well if you could escape! He would also map your body and the bugs you keep inside as seen in cannon. But i'll move on from here since I debunked the location advantage.







First off; Tobi was playing with them since turn one, fact! Next; Tobi allowed himself to get caught and even stayed in the insect globe for a while when he could have easily kamuied the moment he seen it attempted to spread. These are facts, So the Tobi example is null and void since he had no worries, perfect counters and was literally only stalling for time so sasuke and itachi can fight in piece. And contrary to your beliefs The byakugan was already able to bypass the insect's chakra tactic and also acknowledge what was going on even though

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Ima move on to the next part to help you realize how he counters shino handily.





Incorrect yet aging brother! Shino's bugs didnt eat the chakra from Zaku's arms, They clogged up the two holes on Zaku's

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! Never was it stated they "ate the chakra", fact! And you're also wrong with Zaku's tech being anything close to Pressure as Kaiten seeing as Katen became so dense and "perfect" not even the

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. And unlike Zaku's tech Rotation can almost instantly be omitted and not have a charge time to worry about. But This isn't me saying Rotation would be used or needed, this is me instead showing your misinterpretation of both Zaku's tech and The Hyuga's tech. I'll explain everything later.





They never ate the chakra, period bro. Already debunked that claim, in that particular instance they

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Not saying they dont eat chakra.



Neji would never sit there and use kaiten.lol Neji easily counters that strategy no diff, I'll explain later. But for the sake of amusement I'll counter this particular tactic. Neji doesn't use kaiton on nothing just to use it. The insects would literally have to attack him for him to even feel the need to rotate (even though he wouldn't) as per cannon and has never rotated just to rotate. But I'll play this tactic just for the sake of argument; Once the rotation is in spin, any and everything that touches the extremely rapid chakra dome is dispelled with tremendous might that sent even the juubi's force backwards! Which means what? It means the moment the insects even attempt to touch the speed an force of rotation they are instantly killed or repelled with tremendous force dying upon contact of the environment (ex: them bouncing off rotation and hitting tree's, rocks,the ground etc). They will infact either die upon touching rotation or the impact of the objects they hit. Seeing how they are



1. Kaiten no diff off the bugs unless they are even 1/10 the

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(keep in mind blood was shown and they all got off'ed, and ofc humans are more durable then them tiny bugs), and the juubi got blown back! They can not even get a chance to
A) land on the dome and stay still to attempt to feed on rotation.
B) Lached on or even keep up with the tremendous speed of rotation

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2. Kaiten 100% counters Insect globe (even though he wouldn't use that particular move). But if he does decide to stop it (even though it works and will kill them) he has other outs.



You don't seem to get what was shown nor what the byakugan is capable of bro. The byakugan goes beyond seeing chakra, it see's organs, bones, and things as tiny as blood cells! The difference between a shadow clone and a insect clone is night and day different!!! A shadow clone perfectly matches everything from the hair outside to the bones inside the body! Insect clones just use a mass amount of insects to take the appearance of the ninja, they cannot make bones nor organs.




As per the databook, the insects take the outer appearance of the ninja and not the inside nor can it be used to fight or preform jutsu's just decoys and things alike. Not only would the byakugan be able to look in the inside and see that it is filled with nothing but bugs, he will also from the very beginning see the insect clone form and at all times keep track of the original Shino to know who is fake or not. So to break it down:

1. Byakugan will be able to tell who's fake or not.
2. Byakugan will keep track of shino and the fake clone forming at all times. since with teh byakugan it is like fighting in a simple terrain with zero hiding spots!






You underrate neji as a scrub if you think any of the bugs would even land on his skin and not be blown away! Not only would every single bug be looked at and be aware of, but the moment they attempt to land on him, they get blown away no diff with pure chakra before they even get close to his skin!









The moment Shino gets close he is literally a dead man standing!

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Not only is that simple and weak strategy a instant win for neji, even if he didn't have 64 Palms he would (with the byakugan) see the bug leave shino and attempt to land on him. You must know nothing of the byakugan to think that tactic would work even on hinata!




Not only is Kankuro not a close range fighter he is extremely slow and doesn't even compare to neji in the slightest!

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Lol Bro i already debunked your Clone tactic. I also debunked any insect even getting close to neji's skin! I also debunked any and all close combat attempts Via instant with 64 Palms or Rotation to instantly kill him! Neji literally would tract any and all insects no diff and shino at all times! He would know where the fake shino and real shino are and know what strategy you would take based on position and battle tactics. Lets act as though neji doesn't have the byakugan to see a bug on his body; If you think Neji a perfect chakra user wouldn't notice his chakra being jabbed at even in the slightest... You don't know the hyugas if so!







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Bro! The moment shino attempts close combat he instantly loses! This is non disputable! Rotation or 64 divinity one shots him no diff! He loses either way. It's my turn to tell why this is a low diff fight!


With the entire area being mapped out including shino. I'll assume insect globe will be attempted. Neji with in seconds crossed 50+meters while on his death bed and severely injured no diff to hit Kimmimaru while he was still in the air falling from gravity!

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Not only is shino slow and lack CQC and taijutsu feats to even come close to Hinata, Neji would easily close any distance of him and shino off bat (out of character in OP), and go for fatal strikes or 64 palm for instant win!

Now you might say "he'll have to go through the swarm of insects to get to shino", and you are correct! But with the ability

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he will no diff go through the swarm untouched in a matter of seconds! You then will say,"But the insects will eat the chakra once they land on the chakra barrier and he gets through", you are semi correct! Since he will no diff be able to pass through the insect swarm in a matter of seconds to finish shino off bat;

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! You remember when I told you Rotation wasn't needed? Well it isn't, since

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and destroys the target if they are not petra or Sama' lv (keep in mind even

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yet neji easily destroyed him!).

In no scenario will shino be able to win! Sorry bro, the out of character part was not helping you one bit.

Neji should win mid diff.

Loaded Lux don't play.

Yeah... By feats and portrayal Neji wins...
Really liking the "debate" tho..

Shino wins...
Rotation is useless, as Shino will simply command his insects to stay outside the range of the rotation.
Neji's carelessness is in his arrogance. shown when he failed to check underground vs Naruto.
Working so closely to a Hyuuga, Shino more than likely knows all the nics and nacs of his opponent. The insect jamming technique over such a wide area would hinder Neji greatly, regardless of if he's already mapped out the area. Therefore, pinpointing Shino's location over range would fare difficult.
Shino also has his ties to the insect wildlife of the forest, shown in the forest of death arc when he used the leeches to take out a team single-handedly.

All in all, Neji is NOT getting close to Shino to deal any decisive blows, while Shino has more than enough means to disable Neji for good. Not to mention Shino's one-hit KO summoning jutsu..

I see my homie Drae went in on my ass, this is what competition is about though! Best believe I'm going to body his hyuuga loving ass, and prove Shino dominates Mid-Diff! All love fam!! :flakez:

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Normally terrain would be great in shino's favor if it was anyone but neji. But since The terrain actually Favors both your claim is debunked. Neji actually would make great use of this terrain in the fact every inch of the Forrest would be scoped and mapped out before the fight even begins! You must be registered for see images In a instant me mapped Over 800 meters worth of Forrest Precisely with zero difficulty finding tags about 8 inches long in the most bazzar places. This means he would not only know every escape route he would use in the future he would also know based on your placement in the Forrest every escape route you would attempt as well if you could escape! He would also map your body and the bugs you keep inside as seen in cannon. But i'll move on from here since I debunked the location advantage.​ I'm sorry to burst your bubble fam, but Shino still is the king of this terrain! First off, the Byakugan is used for scanning a vast range of area, true shit, and locating those 8 - 12 inch sealing tags is a visionary feat that absolutely shouldn't be overlooked! But locating those in comparison to beetles is two different, and I mean DIFFERENT levels of task. But here's the thing my hyuuga homie: I. Those tags weren't in a location as unorthodox, and subtle as the forest! II. Those tags aren't smaller than Shino's insects III. The forest is perfect for Camouflage IV. The Byakugan can't zoom in on miniscule objects (anime feats we ain't bout' that shit fam ) Shino's insects are all beetles, that's a widely known fact, and beetles are 1-2.5cm (0.04-5in) in size, the forest's grassy terrain even dwarfs them! Now see my main point here is this: The best camouflage, is plain sight! Shino is in the damn forest! Home of the insects! Everywhere Neji looks there will be some sort of life, bugs at his feet, in the air, in the trees Shino's bugs, and regular insects, Neji wouldn't be able to differentiate which is which, all he currently knows is that Shino's body is filled with insects everything else complete UNKNOWN! The trees, the leaves, grass, dirt, branches anything, and everything the forest itself is the perfect camouflage against the Byakugan. Just bodied this section, on to the next, on-on to the next one fam! This work you're about to get all of it!​ First off; Tobi was playing with them since turn one, fact! Next; Tobi allowed himself to get caught and even stayed in the insect globe for a while when he could have easily kamuied the moment he seen it attempted to spread. These are facts, So the Tobi example is null and void since he had no worries, perfect counters and was literally only stalling for time so sasuke and itachi can fight in piece. And contrary to your beliefs The byakugan was already able to bypass the insect's chakra tactic and also acknowledge what was going on even though You must be registered for see links Ima move on to the next part to help you realize how he counters shino handily. This is completely wrong on both parts! First off, true shit Obito was undoubtedly bullshitting against them, but just because someone is putting on a facade against weaker opponents doesn't mean he couldn't be surprised by something as impressive as Shinos bug's sheer speed! - Aaron Rodgers is putting in half-ass work against the Chiefs, because he thinks their utter garbage, and their dominating in the 4th quarter 30 seconds remaining he thinks he can slack off. BOOM! Alexander D.J knocks him on his ass - Aaron Rodgers is surprised. Surprise is usually due to an unexpected outcome, and Shino's bugs speed was just that, an unexpected outcome! So don't write my boy Shino off just yet, give him his speed feat, because he earned it! Now that second part, fam straight up, Shino's ability was saved for last, the best resort even You must be registered for see links ! You say Hinata's Byakugan bypassed Shino's tactic, WRONG, very wrong my homie! You must be registered for see links , when Shino's bugs already did the 100%. As seen here You must be registered for see links , Shino furthermore confirmed that even if Obito's technique was teleportation, his insects would have instantly tracked him down! Shino undoubtedly called off the search with that factoring. No, it was space-time distortion, as you see even You must be registered for see links ! Seconds after she randomly decided to reactive Byakugan (when it was already active lol tf Hinata is so terrible in comparison to Neji that logic) to pinpoint his new location after he phased back in. Shino's bugs would have already taken the intiative, You must be registered for see links , but as I said previously he called off the search, and they went inactive! Just had to debunk that nonsense right there bro! Shino's bugs are literally one of the greatest Trackers/Sensors/Reconnaissance in the manga.​ Incorrect yet aging brother! Shino's bugs didnt eat the chakra from Zaku's arms, They clogged up the two holes on Zaku's hand with there bodies, fact! Never was it stated they "ate the chakra", fact! And you're also wrong with Zaku's tech being anything close to Pressure as Kaiten seeing as Katen became so dense and "perfect" not even the Juubi's Might stood a chance and was No diff deflected by a basic Kaiten size. And unlike Zaku's tech Rotation can almost instantly be omitted and not have a charge time to worry about. But This isn't me saying Rotation would be used or needed, this is me instead showing your misinterpretation of both Zaku's tech and The Hyuga's tech. I'll explain everything later. First I want to concede on the Chakra eating portion, you're right they didn't I was half asleep though, last night cut me slack on that lol! Now onto the next portion the pressure of Kaiten was actually INCREASED by Hiashi's aid - You must be registered for see links - when two gears shift right, their momentum is increased, which is what happened with Kaiten! Kaiten rotation speed was utterly increased for both users, and the more speed the greater the resistance. A solo Kaiten wouldn't have tanked that let that be known, not Neji anyhow, Hiashi is arguable together the effort exerted was probably 70/30 being generous!​ Neji would never sit there and use kaiten.lol Neji easily counters that strategy no diff, I'll explain later. But for the sake of amusement I'll counter this particular tactic. Neji doesn't use kaiton on nothing just to use it. The insects would literally have to attack him for him to even feel the need to rotate (even though he wouldn't) as per cannon and has never rotated just to rotate. But I'll play this tactic just for the sake of argument; Once the rotation is in spin, any and everything that touches the extremely rapid chakra dome is dispelled with tremendous might that sent even the juubi's force backwards! Which means what? It means the moment the insects even attempt to touch the speed an force of rotation they are instantly killed or repelled with tremendous force dying upon contact of the environment (ex: them bouncing off rotation and hitting tree's, rocks,the ground etc). They will infact either die upon touching rotation or the impact of the objects they hit. Seeing how they are 1. Kaiten no diff off the bugs unless they are even 1/10 the You must be registered for see links (keep in mind blood was shown and they all got off'ed, and ofc humans are more durable then them tiny bugs), and the juubi got blown back! They can not even get a chance to A) land on the dome and stay still to attempt to feed on rotation. B) Lached on or even keep up with the tremendous speed of rotation You must be registered for see links ! 2. Kaiten 100% counters Insect globe (even though he wouldn't use that particular move). But if he does decide to stop it (even though it works and will kill them) he has other outs. You're severely underrating the insects durability, the same durability that effortlessly took on Zaku's slicing sound wave! Small as they might be, their durability is through the roof, simple pressurized chakra won't be enough to kill them! Also no, they wouldn't fly off because: The vast amount of insects would be so compacted against each other, the sheer speed, and wind pressure emitted from Kaiten would actually PULL the bugs inward, sticking them to the rotating sphere itself; similar to how bugs hang on your windshield when your going fast on the freeway. The reason for this is because they have a large number of tiny bristles or hairs on the bottoms of their feet, AND have little to no MASS You must be registered for see links , making Kaiten their greatest advantage in efforts to close in on Neji! You must be registered for see images Using Kaiten in general would be Neji's complete, and utter downfall against Shino! Because once his insects are attached to Kaiten, it's over, the insects would devour any, and all chakra Neji would be distrubiting to maintain Kaiten of ANY size! Neji either continues to spin, accumulating more insects, for a quicker demise, or he dismantles it leaving him to an even quicker demise! Neji won't get a break against Shino understand that fam! The pressure is to real!​ **Sigh** Bro! The moment shino attempts close combat he instantly loses! This is non disputable! Rotation or 64 divinity one shots him no diff! He loses either way. It's my turn to tell why this is a low diff fight! With the entire area being mapped out including shino. I'll assume insect globe will be attempted. Neji with in seconds crossed 50+meters while on his death bed and severely injured no diff to hit Kimmimaru while he was still in the air falling from gravity! Spoiler You must be registered for see images ​ Not sure if you saw that right fam! But that was You must be registered for see links , not Neji. Neji could never do that, especially not on his deathbed. I really hope you aren't referring to him being able to vacuum palm that far in that scan bro ~.~ You can even tell that was Kidomaru's by the direction of the impact. You must be registered for see images I'll be countering the rest in this section! Shino has the ability to simply fool the user of the Byakugan! Using the You must be registered for see links , Shino could, and would place tens of thousands of insects around Neji, and himself! The disadvantage of having the Byakugan is that the user will see every animal/being containing chakra, which is everything in the forest that is alive! Neji wouldn't be able to differentiate which is which, threat or non-threat, Shino's bugs, or mutual insect. This would cause worry in Neji's mind, directly causing him to pay attention to EVERY surrounding in the vicinity, as I stated before you can only focus on so much before your body runs out of options! Shino's fighting style is a hard counter against Neji! Shino is a damn human army if you think about it! The dude is hosting (I can't even say miniature anymore after this) a damn army in his body! Check this out homie: You must be registered for see images myr·i·ad ˈmirēəd/ literary noun noun: myriad; plural noun: myriads 1. a countless or extremely great number. "networks connecting a myriad of computers" synonyms: a multitude, a large/great number, a large/great quantity, scores, quantities, a mass, a host, droves, a horde; More informallots, loads, masses, stacks, scads, tons, hundreds, thousands, millions, gazillions, bajillions "a myriad of insects" 2. (chiefly in classical history) a unit of ten thousand. Countless - A great number - Ten Thousand+.. IN ONE CLONE. With this sheer knowledge, Shino has literally become one of the most OP K11 characters to date! Shino not only hosts the Kikaichū, but as well the Kidaichū, just knowing he has the potential to host over ten thousand insects in his body.. Something like this at his control, but bigger: You must be registered for see images Honestly it has you wondering, does Neji really stand a chance here? Against a savage like Shino!​ Previously established, Shino has ten thousand+ insects at his disposable. All of which obey his every command, that great, and all, but what I want to show you is how monstrous the Kikaichū really are! Beetles are omnivores meaning they eat both plants, and meat, Shino's are the same, capable of eating through his flesh to break the surface, and probably would eat plants if offered. However, their main source of nutrition is chakra. Establishing that they well, eat (lmao) I want to show you this clip, of about two hundred - three hundred ants devouring a Gecko, in several hours (at around the 17th - 18th hour mark they were at already breaking bone). Now, apply that to Shino's scenario: Shino deploys 10,000+ Kikaichū, they feed on Neji, and his chakra. I wonder how many minutes (hell even seconds) it would take till Neji was completely depleted? Think about it fam! Not long, at all.​ I'll give you that fam, you definitely disproved how the insect clone doesn't full Neji's Byakugan, due to not having human anatomy (I should have linked Naruto fooling Neji with a simple clone to rustle your jimmies xD!), but that still doesn't debunk the initial claim! The moment Shino gets close he is literally a dead man standing! Spoiler You must be registered for see images Not only is that simple and weak strategy a instant win for neji, even if he didn't have 64 Palms he would (with the byakugan) see the bug leave shino and attempt to land on him. You must know nothing of the byakugan to think that tactic would work even on hinata! Not only is Kankuro not a close range fighter he is extremely slow and doesn't even compare to neji in the slightest! You must be registered for see links Lol Bro i already debunked your Clone tactic. I also debunked any insect even getting close to neji's skin! I also debunked any and all close combat attempts Via instant with 64 Palms or Rotation to instantly kill him! Neji literally would tract any and all insects no diff and shino at all times! He would know where the fake shino and real shino are and know what strategy you would take based on position and battle tactics. Lets act as though neji doesn't have the byakugan to see a bug on his body; If you think Neji a perfect chakra user wouldn't notice his chakra being jabbed at even in the slightest... You don't know the hyugas if so! Shino wouldn't be in close proximity though fam! Shino would be long ways from Neji, due to his fighting style, and because Shino isn't the type to You must be registered for see links , he will always put 110% work in against his enemies! You must be registered for see links You must be registered for see links ! Shino's preferred ranges are Mid-Long, sure Shino's not as fast, or as strong as some, but what he doesn't exceed in regarding Taijutsu, or foot-speed, he makes up for in intelligence; analytical, and tactical prowess which far outweigh that of physical attributes! You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images Shino's clone would still rush Neji, and as you said would be made short work of, I agree! But after being destroyed the insect clone would do either one of the two things: I. Swarm onto his body, the little chakra cloak he emits wouldn't last a second! Not with ten thousand+ chakra eating insects clinging to him! II. Reform, and simply keep be another objective Neji would have to deal with! You must be registered for see images There is no way Neji will defeat Shino, he is the ultimate counter as I said before bro! PS: Anyone else see that "Healing" section in that DB Scan? Ooo! OOOO! I won't do it to him!​ Now you might say "he'll have to go through the swarm of insects to get to shino", and you are correct! But with the ability You must be registered for see links he will no diff go through the swarm untouched in a matter of seconds! You then will say,"But the insects will eat the chakra once they land on the chakra barrier and he gets through", you are semi correct! Since he will no diff be able to pass through the insect swarm in a matter of seconds to finish shino off bat; You must be registered for see links ! You remember when I told you Rotation wasn't needed? Well it isn't, since You must be registered for see links and destroys the target if they are not petra or Sama' lv (keep in mind even You must be registered for see links yet neji easily destroyed him!). In no scenario will shino be able to win! Sorry bro, the out of character part was not helping you one bit. I hope you're enjoying my catchy titles lmao! But seriously, Full body blow isn't doing shit for Neji. Literally, using this technique would be pointless, and well wasteful really! This is what would happen once Full body blow is used: I. The Insects swarm Neji, take a little chakra. II. Neji uses Full body blow to repel them. III. The Insects float away with the air current created by the technique. IV. The Insects quickly swarm Neji again taking another bit of chakra. V. Rinse, and repeat! Not to mention, Shino's insects upon swarming him would restrain him, slowing his progression toward Shino consistently: You must be registered for see images You see, it'd be an ongoing cycle, basically a game of keep away, but with Neji getting tagged consistently, and having his chakra drained! With Neji being the victim, of his own technique! He'd be better off just using Kaiten in my honest opinion fam! It's not Neji's fault, Shino is above him! You put a beast in his environment, and he becomes an utter savage, a monster!!​ So you think you know everything about Shino? Or you just want to know more? Well I'm glad you walked your happy ass in this muthaf*cka because let me tell you something son, Shino is the most BAMF OG PIMP Batman Naruto has ever seen. Wow so you f*ggts are hard for Shino? Well I can't blame you, the mans a f*cking prodigy gosh dammit! The dude has bred insects in his body since birth, bruh let me know how you feel having been the host of ten thousand+ beetles, only a real man could endure that shit, you're not ready son! I'm so hard for Shino right now, but his insects durability feats >> my raging hard-on for him let me explain why youngins! First off, the dudes freaking insects You must be registered for see links , STEEL! Do you know how hard that type of metal is mate?! It's HARD, like you're about to be after I finish listing how durable Shino's insects are! Not just that, the dude performed a feat that only Iron Sand has been shown to do! You must be registered for see links , how the hell?! I don't even know. #DatShino Now let's travel back into past events, against this overconfident ass f*ckboy named Zaku. Dude has his You must be registered for see links . We're talking You must be registered for see links here guys! Then the damn You must be registered for see links , like: "Yeah b*tch, I just made you blow your f*ckin hands off. Wanna cry about it? Lil b*tch" I knew Shino was an OG, but his bugs too?! Like father, like son/daughters! Wow, wow, wow, but I'm not done yet! Let's fast forward a few chapters, back to the Kankuro fight. When Kankuro shot out his poison gas bomb, Shino who thought it'd be some type of explosive, at the last second You must be registered for see links . Shino actually thought his insects would have tanked an explosion! He must have had some type of knowledge regarding his bugs vs explosives or he would have just dodged it! Insects > Explosives in some manner! You must be registered for see images Shino is a savage! ​ I just want to let everyone know, that Shino has mastered the greatest form of Earth Release, an Earth user can learn, and that is: Speaking to inanimate objects. Yup, Shino can communicate with the ground. Now I don't know rather or not Shino, smoked to much herb, or the pheromones from his insects were fumigating to abundantly, but the ground spoke to Shino, as seen You must be registered for see links . There is legit only two possible reasons how he did this, the latter not as obvious as the former: I. He can hear/feel the vibrations of movements in the ground. II. A bug told him. Either is possible, and yes he can communicate with bugs! As seen in the early chunin test exams! What's seriously crazy though, is that there You must be registered for see links .. Shino is a sensor/tracker/recon expert. Manga facts. #Savage #HeCanDoItAll ​ I'm not going to spoil Shinology 101 because I'm actually going to make a thread on it, but thanks for showing up to my class. :flakez: PS: Shino Solos :vision:​ Drae, I'm trying to raise the bar high, who tryna jump, and get it?! Nervermind, y'all better off tryna skydive!! Go in on my ass bro, lets raise the standards!

 

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You don't seem to get what was shown nor what the byakugan is capable of bro. The byakugan goes beyond seeing chakra, it see's organs, bones, and things as tiny as blood cells! The difference between a shadow clone and a insect clone is night and day different!!! A shadow clone perfectly matches everything from the hair outside to the bones inside the body! Insect clones just use a mass amount of insects to take the appearance of the ninja, they cannot make bones nor organs.

...glad this was cleared up.
i had started getting annoyed

 

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...glad this was cleared up.
i had started getting annoyed

Got better arguments than Drae if so let them fly. I'm waiting ~

 

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Got better arguments than Drae if so let them fly. I'm waiting ~

Yall stay turnt

 

[DrProof]

Yall stay turnt

It's what we do best. #Absolute Zero taught me.

 

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I see my homie Drae went in on my ass, this is what competition is about though! Best believe I'm going to body his hyuuga loving ass, and prove Shino dominates Mid-Diff! All love fam!! :flakez:

Well alright! I might just go Super saiyan on yo ass if I need toooo!

I'm sorry to burst your bubble fam, but Shino still is the king of this terrain! First off, the Byakugan is used for scanning a vast range of area, true shit, and locating those 8 - 12 inch sealing tags is a visionary feat that absolutely shouldn't be overlooked! But locating those in comparison to beetles is two different, and I mean DIFFERENT levels of task. But here's the thing my hyuuga homie:

I. Those tags weren't in a location as unorthodox, and subtle as the forest!
II. Those tags aren't smaller than Shino's insects
III. The forest is perfect for Camouflage
IV. The Byakugan can't zoom in on miniscule objects (anime feats we ain't bout' that shit fam )

Sorry to burst your bubble and reform my bubble but...

I. They were on trees, rocks, mountain sides, lake etc. Super random bro yet they were found all at once instantly! This shows his ability to see every direction at once and every inch at once instantly to know what is what and where is what.
II. Byakugan can see things much

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III. What does that matter when the byakugan see's everything regardless of color or whats on top of what?
IV. Byakugan see's something that doesn't even show on the skin

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So in short i'm afraid you are wrong yet again bro to think he wont be able to see the bugs, when in comparison the bugs easily show on the skin.

Shino's insects are all beetles, that's a widely known fact, and beetles are 1-2.5cm (0.04-5in) in size, the forest's grassy terrain even dwarfs them! Now see my main point here is this: The best camouflage, is plain sight! Shino is in the damn forest! Home of the insects! Everywhere Neji looks there will be some sort of life, bugs at his feet, in the air, in the trees Shino's bugs, and regular insects, Neji wouldn't be able to differentiate which is which, all he currently knows is that Shino's body is filled with insects everything else complete UNKNOWN!

The trees, the leaves, grass, dirt, branches anything, and everything the forest itself is the perfect camouflage against the Byakugan. Just bodied this section, on to the next, on-on to the next one fam! This work you're about to get all of it!

Although You are correct in the entire forrect being one big insect farm, what you forget it...

1. 99% of the bugs in that forest are useless and get blown away normally. They are based off real life bugs we can assume, and no bug they showed is even faster then a average human walking normally let alone a ninja of his level.
2. It will no doubt be easier to tell the difference between shino's D-Bugs and every other bug

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, they wild insects do not. His bugs will look like a lamp in the dark no diff. Similar to sasuke

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This is completely wrong on both parts! First off, true shit Obito was undoubtedly bullshitting against them, but just because someone is putting on a facade against weaker opponents doesn't mean he couldn't be surprised by something as impressive as Shinos bug's sheer speed! - Aaron Rodgers is putting in half-ass work against the Chiefs, because he thinks their utter garbage, and their dominating in the 4th quarter 30 seconds remaining he thinks he can slack off. BOOM! Alexander D.J knocks him on his ass - Aaron Rodgers is surprised.

Surprise is usually due to an unexpected outcome, and Shino's bugs speed was just that, an unexpected outcome! So don't write my boy Shino off just yet, give him his speed feat, because he earned it!

This part is not relevant tbh, I only responded to it to let you know he wasn't serious and to not brag about it.

Now that second part, fam straight up, Shino's ability was saved for last, the best resort even

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! You say Hinata's Byakugan bypassed Shino's tactic, WRONG, very wrong my homie!

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, when Shino's bugs already did the 100%. As seen here

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, Shino furthermore confirmed that even if Obito's technique was teleportation, his insects would have instantly tracked him down! Shino undoubtedly called off the search with that factoring.

Again meaningless. My point was to show the Byakugan bypassing the bugs and still being able to see Obito and Obito's chakra. The Byakugan can tell if a ninja use shunshin and things alike as well, what's your point? Hinata also seen what happened btw. Again, this part adds nothing to the debate other then showing the jutsu being used.

No, it was space-time distortion, as you see even

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! Seconds after she randomly decided to reactive Byakugan (when it was already active lol tf Hinata is so terrible in comparison to Neji that logic) to pinpoint his new location after he phased back in. Shino's bugs would have already taken the intiative,

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, but as I said previously he called off the search, and they went inactive!

Incorrect. When Hinata lost track of obito when he wasn't in the present world yet, she (just like everyone else) had to wait till he reappeared and she was indeed the first and only to find him despite Kiba's nose being present.

Just had to debunk that nonsense right there bro! Shino's bugs are literally one of the greatest Trackers/Sensors/Reconnaissance in the manga.

Byakugan>>>>>>Bugs no argument needed!

First I want to concede on the Chakra eating portion, you're right they didn't I was half asleep though, last night cut me slack on that lol!

It's cool, we all fuq up! haha

Now onto the next portion the pressure of Kaiten was actually INCREASED by Hiashi's aid -

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- when two gears shift right, their momentum is increased, which is what happened with Kaiten! Kaiten rotation speed was utterly increased for both users, and the more speed the greater the resistance. A solo Kaiten wouldn't have tanked that let that be known, not Neji anyhow, Hiashi is arguable together the effort exerted was probably 70/30 being generous!

Not really. The Juubi's hand clearly dwarfed both Kaitens and covered more area. Yet when it came into contact with the 2 opposing forces it bounced in it's opposite direction instead of the direction of the rotation. This further shows any and all physical attacks get deflected with there own momentum as per cannon. And lets not even mention Hiashi using a standard basic rotation to match neji's. Not like the beetles are even 1/1 trillion the mass or power of the juubi's arm. Don't see what you are even arguing this as the rotation easily kills and deflects the bugs.

You're severely underrating the insects durability, the same durability that effortlessly took on Zaku's slicing sound wave! Small as they might be, their durability is through the roof, simple pressurized chakra won't be enough to kill them! Also no, they wouldn't fly off because:

The vast amount of insects would be so compacted against each other, the sheer speed, and wind pressure emitted from Kaiten would actually PULL the bugs inward, sticking them to the rotating sphere itself; similar to how bugs hang on your windshield when your going fast on the freeway. The reason for this is because they have a large number of tiny bristles or hairs on the bottoms of their feet, AND have little to no MASS

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, making Kaiten their greatest advantage in efforts to close in on Neji!

Zaku's sound waves were never meant to destroy especially small objects that will simply go with the sound waves momentum. That's like having a Leaf blower on full power and putting a ant in front of the blower. What would happen? Nothing, the ant will simply be unharmed and blow with the wind.

Kaiten does not attract like a typhoon or twister, So point is Moot. And are we going to act like Spiders (known for sticking more so then beetles) attached to kaiten with there bristles

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! The moment they touch kaiten they die or get reflected.

Using Kaiten in general would be Neji's complete, and utter downfall against Shino! Because once his insects are attached to Kaiten, it's over, the insects would devour any, and all chakra Neji would be distrubiting to maintain Kaiten of ANY size! Neji either continues to spin, accumulating more insects, for a quicker demise, or he dismantles it leaving him to an even quicker demise! Neji won't get a break against Shino understand that fam! The pressure is to real

How so? If spiders could latch on, beetles stand no chance! Don't se how its and argument when Rotation i moving at a speed Eyes can not comprehend. Plus tehy do not have feats of even coming close to eating chakra faster then he can spin. They literally stand zero chance against katen. Your window example was horrible, lets try to compare it to something moving nonstop.

Ex:

We have a Car wheel spinning at 300MPH up side down. Any and every thing (with less or close mass in this particular example) that touches the wheel would not only instantly bounce off, but the momentum will send said object flying (In physics, a force is any interaction that tends to change the motion of an object. In other words, a force can cause an object with mass to change its velocity (which includes to begin moving from a state of rest), i.e., to accelerate. Force can also be described by intuitive concepts such as a push or a pull.)

Not sure if you saw that right fam! But that was

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, not Neji. Neji could never do that, especially not on his deathbed. I really hope you aren't referring to him being able to vacuum palm that far in that scan bro ~.~ You can even tell that was Kidomaru's by the direction of the impact.

Not misconception bro, more like misunderstood what was being shown and stated on your behave.

The smoke from the arrow passing through the trees was to show how far it traveled to reach neji. Fact! What then was stated was that after it made contact neji stunned Kido and kido started to fall out the tree. As

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infact it traveled

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to reach Kido in a few seconds.

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to fall, as you can see he is barely leaving the tree.

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with life fatal injuries (that affects your muscles btw), to then

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and kill him! This is the amazing speed that many joinin can't even match, and he was fatally injured. smh

Hope you get it now bro. Vacuum palm was literally never mentioned by me in this entire thread yet. This is a speed feat that he will infact no diff be able to blitz Shino!

Shino has the ability to simply fool the user of the Byakugan! Using the

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, Shino could, and would place tens of thousands of insects around Neji, and himself! The disadvantage of having the Byakugan is that the user will see every animal/being containing chakra, which is everything in the forest that is alive! Neji wouldn't be able to differentiate which is which, threat or non-threat, Shino's bugs, or mutual insect.

This would cause worry in Neji's mind, directly causing him to pay attention to EVERY surrounding in the vicinity, as I stated before you can only focus on so much before your body runs out of options! Shino's fighting style is a hard counter against Neji!]

Assuming he even gets the chance to use the tech; It wouldn't matter. The jamming tech stops chakra sensing and the sharingan's ability to see chakra. The Byakugan can do both and a shit more! As seen in cannon Byakugan can see straight through the Insects no difficulty as per cannon when

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Just like the byakugan being able to see through Rinnengan Level barriers no diff. So in short the jammin tech will not halt neji's vision in the slightest based on manga facts!

It is easy like explained earlier to tell which is shino's bug and who is not. 1) shino's bugs have shino's chakra (fact). 2) not all bugs are even worth bringing up or a threat. So 99% of the bugs in the forrest are just everyday bugs we can avoid in real life, and no bug in that forrest is a threat to neji. Only shino's bugs eat chakra keep in mind.

Shino is a damn human army if you think about it! The dude is hosting (I can't even say miniature anymore after this) a damn army in his body! Check this out homie:

lol He is a nice mid range fighter for sure!

Countless - A great number - Ten Thousand+.. IN ONE CLONE. With this sheer knowledge, Shino has literally become one of the most OP K11 characters to date! Shino not only hosts the Kikaichū, but as well the Kidaichū, just knowing he has the potential to host over ten thousand insects in his body.. Something like this at his control, but bigger:

Honestly it has you wondering, does Neji really stand a chance here? Against a savage like Shino!

Everything you're saying means nothing. lol We know he has a ton load of bugs bro, nothing to talk about.

Previously established, Shino has ten thousand+ insects at his disposable. All of which obey his every command, that great, and all, but what I want to show you is how monstrous the Kikaichū really are! Beetles are omnivores meaning they eat both plants, and meat, Shino's are the same, capable of eating through his flesh to break the surface, and probably would eat plants if offered. However, their main source of nutrition is chakra.

Again, something that is known but irrelevant to this fight with neji.

Establishing that they well, eat (lmao) I want to show you this clip, of about two hundred - three hundred ants devouring a Gecko, in several hours (at around the 17th - 18th hour mark they were at already breaking bone). Now, apply that to Shino's scenario:

Shino deploys 10,000+ Kikaichū, they feed on Neji, and his chakra. I wonder how many minutes (hell even seconds) it would take till Neji was completely depleted? Think about it fam! Not long, at all.

Are we really comparing a Gecko to neji and Beetles to ants?.... When that Gecko gets Jyuken and the byakugan then we will talk about this.

I'll give you that fam, you definitely disproved how the insect clone doesn't full Neji's Byakugan, due to not having human anatomy (I should have linked Naruto fooling Neji with a simple clone to rustle your jimmies xD!), but that still doesn't debunk the initial claim!

lol All gravy!

Shino wouldn't be in close proximity though fam! Shino would be long ways from Neji, due to his fighting style, and because Shino isn't the type to

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, he will always put 110% work in against his enemies!

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! Shino's preferred ranges are Mid-Long, sure Shino's not as fast, or as strong as some, but what he doesn't exceed in regarding Taijutsu, or foot-speed, he makes up for in intelligence; analytical, and tactical prowess which far outweigh that of physical attributes!

But you first stated Shino would engage in CQC tactics like when he fought Kankuro and Zaku. Which is it bro? If you say he is now going to be far away then 60% of your first post is null and void. You then would have to explain how he wouldn't get rushed ASAP from 50 meters no diff especially with shino not being the fast retreat type. Neji is just as smart as well and has the feats to back it up, so using the brain's argument is kinda canceled.

Shino's clone would still rush Neji, and as you said would be made short work of, I agree! But after being destroyed the insect clone would do either one of the two things:

I. Swarm onto his body, the little chakra cloak he emits wouldn't last a second! Not with ten thousand+ chakra eating insects clinging to him!
II. Reform, and simply keep be another objective Neji would have to deal with!

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when he knows (or think, but in this case it is night and day obv who is the real shino like you agreed) where the real body is and

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! Not only would he not waste time he would strike and keep moving forward if he chooses to, but in shino's case his clones and him are tooo slow to even worry about. So that entire premise is out the window!

There is no way Neji will defeat Shino, he is the ultimate counter as I said before bro! PS: Anyone else see that "Healing" section in that DB Scan? Ooo! OOOO! I won't do it to him!

Healing from a non function heart? Please do it too me bruh bruh!!

I hope you're enjoying my catchy titles lmao! But seriously, Full body blow isn't doing shit for Neji. Literally, using this technique would be pointless, and well wasteful really! This is what would happen once Full body blow is used:

I. The Insects swarm Neji, take a little chakra.
II. Neji uses Full body blow to repel them.
III. The Insects float away with the air current created by the technique.
IV. The Insects quickly swarm Neji again taking another bit of chakra.
V. Rinse, and repeat!

Not to mention, Shino's insects upon swarming him would restrain him, slowing his progression toward Shino consistently

I. They will be repelled back far while he keeps advancing forward not staying in the same spot.
II. Same as I.
III. Same as II.
IV. Show me scans of them quickly swarming again faster then neji can move?
V. Debunked at I.

You see, it'd be an ongoing cycle, basically a game of keep away, but with Neji getting tagged consistently, and having his chakra drained! With Neji being the victim, of his own technique! He'd be better off just using Kaiten in my honest opinion fam! It's not Neji's fault, Shino is above him! You put a beast in his environment, and he becomes an utter savage, a monster!!

You keep thinking neji will be in one spot the entire time doing nothing and allowing shino to have his way. When it;s the opposite! Neji the entire time will force Close combat for the easy win. So unless shino is a fast escaper, he is done for!

So you think you know everything about Shino? Or you just want to know more? Well I'm glad you walked your happy ass in this muthaf*cka because let me tell you something son, Shino is the most BAMF OG PIMP Batman Naruto has ever seen.

Nawwwwww he's more like Robin from Teen titans! haha

Wow so you f*ggts are hard for Shino? Well I can't blame you, the mans a f*cking prodigy gosh dammit! The dude has bred insects in his body since birth, bruh let me know how you feel having been the host of ten thousand+ beetles, only a real man could endure that shit, you're not ready son!

I'm so hard for Shino right now, but his insects durability feats >> my raging hard-on for him let me explain why youngins!

First off, the dudes freaking insects

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, STEEL! Do you know how hard that type of metal is mate?! It's HARD, like you're about to be after I finish listing how durable Shino's insects are! Not just that, the dude performed a feat that only Iron Sand has been shown to do!

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, how the hell?! I don't even know. #DatShino

Dafuq did I just read???? Weavile Underwood Looking ass! #LookHimUp #Yugioh

Bottompart: They are not as hard as Iron sand.lol

Now let's travel back into past events, against this overconfident ass f*ckboy named Zaku. Dude has his

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. We're talking

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here guys! Then the damn

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, like: "Yeah b*tch, I just made you blow your f*ckin hands off. Wanna cry about it? Lil b*tch" I knew Shino was an OG, but his bugs too?! Like father, like son/daughters!

Zaku is literally scrub level bro. Please give it up!

Wow, wow, wow, but I'm not done yet! Let's fast forward a few chapters, back to the Kankuro fight. When Kankuro shot out his poison gas bomb, Shino who thought it'd be some type of explosive, at the last second

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. Shino actually thought his insects would have tanked an explosion! He must have had some type of knowledge regarding his bugs vs explosives or he would have just dodged it! Insects > Explosives in some manner!

Or he had more bugs and didnt care like every one else? lol

Shino is a savage!
I just want to let everyone know, that Shino has mastered the greatest form of Earth Release, an Earth user can learn, and that is: Speaking to inanimate objects. Yup, Shino can communicate with the ground.

Now I don't know rather or not Shino, smoked to much herb, or the pheromones from his insects were fumigating to abundantly, but the ground spoke to Shino, as seen

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. There is legit only two possible reasons how he did this, the latter not as obvious as the former:

I. He can hear/feel the vibrations of movements in the ground.
II. A bug told him.

Either is possible, and yes he can communicate with bugs! As seen in the early chunin test exams! What's seriously crazy though, is that there

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..

Shino is a sensor/tracker/recon expert. Manga facts. #Savage #HeCanDoItAll
I'm not going to spoil Shinology 101 because I'm actually going to make a thread on it, but thanks for showing up to my class. :flakez:

PS: Shino Solos :vision:

Drae, I'm trying to raise the bar high, who tryna jump, and get it?! Nervermind, y'all better off tryna skydive!! Go in on my ass bro, lets raise the standards!

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Bottom part: You Gone learn today what A loooong Rotation is! #KevinHart

 

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Your text format was annoying as fuq!! Lol sorry if it's sloppy on advance

 

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Your text format was annoying as fuq!! Lol sorry if it's sloppy on advance

No worries fam! And my bad, Ima still keep using it though. Will reply after I hit up this Jirobo vs Sakon/Ukon debate.