Shino vs Neji

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Shino spank that ass.
@proof didn't know you wrote novels fam. gonna read dat l8r
 

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Neji wins med diff.
Put up, or shut up ya feel dog. :scorps:
Shino spank that ass.
@proof didn't know you wrote novels fam. gonna read dat l8r
Damn straight Shino beats Neji's ass. Dude got solo'd by a branch. (No hate guys :p)

It ain't even long tho' stfu, and read it.
 

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Can bugs eat through rotation?

Either way they get pawned by air palm, and can be avoided.

Neji wins.
 

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Can bugs eat through rotation?

Either way they get pawned by air palm, and can be avoided.

Neji wins.

Did you read my post fam?

Air palm focuses in one direction, that's not how Shino attacks... And Avoiding them as I previously stated is near impossible because of the way Shino attacks...
 

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Did you read my post fam?

Air palm focuses in one direction, that's not how Shino attacks... And Avoiding them as I previously stated is near impossible because of the way Shino attacks...

lmfao "The way Shino attacks" Don't mean shit, he needs time to set them up in certain area's, Neji will close him down and wreck his shit in CQC before any of them even reach him.

Air palms good for clearing a path, and rotation still produces force so it should work as well.


Nah Shino stands no chance.
 

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lmfao "The way Shino attacks" Don't mean shit, he needs time to set them up in certain area's, Neji will close him down and wreck his shit in CQC before any of them even reach him.

Air palms good for clearing a path, and rotation still produces force so it should work as well.


Nah Shino stands no chance.

The insects act instantly to his commands, the set-up will take seconds. Neji isn't closing in on Shino, not at 20 meters, and the fact that Shino is also able to negate Neji's closure, by retreating himself furthermore proves Neji isn't getting in CQC with the real Shino.

The Byakugan can't differentiate which Shino is the real, Shino could make 3-4 clones, all of which would completely disorientate Neji, Neji goes in for the kill, and gets swarmed by insects. It's really that simple.

You can't interact against a fighting style that minimizes your movements.
 

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Fûcking Hell proof, when I get off work I'll read your formations and shit.
 

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Fûcking Hell proof, when I get off work I'll read your formations and shit.

I only put one map of the scenario. :shy: Waiting for Draegod to go innnn, so that I can go innnn, and then we'll go innnnn. Lmao.
 

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The insects act instantly to his commands, the set-up will take seconds. Neji isn't closing in on Shino, not at 20 meters, and the fact that Shino is also able to negate Neji's closure, by retreating himself furthermore proves Neji isn't getting in CQC with the real Shino.

What? They can react as fast as they want fact is they move slow, and if they are trying to surround someone else shits going to take a while, not to mention Neji can see all of them and find the holes anyways. That's not how it works, it doesn't have to just be a blitz he's faster than Shino in everything that has anything to do with speed :lol, he just has to continuously move towards him whether it be a blitz or not and he's going to reach him, any bugs pop up in his way, he can air palm out of the way while barely slowing him down. Once he gets close enough its GG shino as people with better reactions couldn't react to his blitzes.

The Byakugan can't differentiate which Shino is the real, Shino could make 3-4 clones, all of which would completely disorientate Neji, Neji goes in for the kill, and gets swarmed by insects. It's really that simple.

No but it can focus in on the original better, so unless he starts out with the clones already made its useless as he's not losing track of the original. Besides when was clone making even his thing? Especially 3 or 4?

You can't interact against a fighting style that minimizes your movements.

You can if they never get the chance to.
 

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Bro although Neji beats Shino mid high, You left yourself wide open to make this low mid. I'm going in!




I'm done with those flashy intros, I'm going to get straight to the point. Watch me work homies! PS: Draegod, and FT + whoever else, let's get turnt in this thread!



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Lets make something happen, forgive me in advance if im a bit lazy with my post. haha



Terrain​

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Terrain can make or break a match-up, putting ! The Aburame fight using their surroundings, and giving him the forest is like sending Neji straight to his grave, as Neji is strictly a single target fighter with the exception of Kaiten giving him only one wide-range technique which doesn't even counter Shino's bugs! Neji overall has to worry about Three things:

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Normally terrain would be great in shino's favor if it was anyone but neji. But since The terrain actually Favors both your claim is debunked. Neji actually would make great use of this terrain in the fact every inch of the Forrest would be scoped and mapped out before the fight even begins!

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In a instant me mapped Over 800 meters worth of Forrest Precisely with zero difficulty finding tags about 8 inches long in the most bazzar places. This means he would not only know every escape route he would use in the future he would also know based on your placement in the Forrest every escape route you would attempt as well if you could escape! He would also map your body and the bugs you keep inside as seen in cannon. But i'll move on from here since I debunked the location advantage.





Shino created a . Now imagine in the forest of death, a much bigger terrain, Shino would be able to spread his Kikaichū even further, not to mention the sheer speed of the Kikaichū, ! The main thing I want to get across though is that, sure Byakugan is able to see nearly 360 degrees, but what's the point of having such insight, when your overall battle capabilities are limited by a fighting style such as Shinos! It's utterly useless!

First off; Tobi was playing with them since turn one, fact! Next; Tobi allowed himself to get caught and even stayed in the insect globe for a while when he could have easily kamuied the moment he seen it attempted to spread. These are facts, So the Tobi example is null and void since he had no worries, perfect counters and was literally only stalling for time so sasuke and itachi can fight in piece. And contrary to your beliefs The byakugan was already able to bypass the insect's chakra tactic and also acknowledge what was going on even though Ima move on to the next part to help you realize how he counters shino handily.



Kaiten K-K-Kountered!​

Kaiten is one dangerous ass jutsu for those unprepared, but thankfully, Shino is always prepared! This guy has an ace, in an ace, in an ace, literally the Batman of Naruto! Kaiten is chakra emitted from the users chakra points, which develops a rotating momentum once the user starts to spin. This is nothing to Shino literally guys, Shino's insects from in seconds which has a huge range, and is more pressurized than Kaiten!

Incorrect yet aging brother! Shino's bugs didnt eat the chakra from Zaku's arms, They clogged up the two holes on Zaku's ! Never was it stated they "ate the chakra", fact! And you're also wrong with Zaku's tech being anything close to Pressure as Kaiten seeing as Katen became so dense and "perfect" not even the . And unlike Zaku's tech Rotation can almost instantly be omitted and not have a charge time to worry about. But This isn't me saying Rotation would be used or needed, this is me instead showing your misinterpretation of both Zaku's tech and The Hyuga's tech. I'll explain everything later.



What's even more astonishing is that the , seemingly unharmed, which furthermore proves their chakra eating speed is FAST, and that they're abnormally durable!

They never ate the chakra, period bro. Already debunked that claim, in that particular instance they Not saying they dont eat chakra.

Against Kaiten, the insects would simply need to swarn Neji once Kaiten has been used, and attach themselves to the solidified chakra (Kaiten is solidified as seen how it literally reflects objects, and what not!). Something along the lines of this would form:

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Neji would never sit there and use kaiten.lol Neji easily counters that strategy no diff, I'll explain later. But for the sake of amusement I'll counter this particular tactic. Neji doesn't use kaiton on nothing just to use it. The insects would literally have to attack him for him to even feel the need to rotate (even though he wouldn't) as per cannon and has never rotated just to rotate. But I'll play this tactic just for the sake of argument; Once the rotation is in spin, any and everything that touches the extremely rapid chakra dome is dispelled with tremendous might that sent even the juubi's force backwards! Which means what? It means the moment the insects even attempt to touch the speed an force of rotation they are instantly killed or repelled with tremendous force dying upon contact of the environment (ex: them bouncing off rotation and hitting tree's, rocks,the ground etc). They will infact either die upon touching rotation or the impact of the objects they hit. Seeing how they are

Neji would have two options, both countering Kaiten, and leaving him to die:

I. Keep Kaiten going - wasting chakra/feeding the insects making them reproduce more.
II. Deactive Kaiten, then get swarmed by thousands of hungry insects!

Either way Neji would be eaten alive here!

1. Kaiten no diff off the bugs unless they are even 1/10 the (keep in mind blood was shown and they all got off'ed, and ofc humans are more durable then them tiny bugs), and the juubi got blown back! They can not even get a chance to
A) land on the dome and stay still to attempt to feed on rotation.
B) Lached on or even keep up with the tremendous speed of rotation !

2. Kaiten 100% counters Insect globe (even though he wouldn't use that particular move). But if he does decide to stop it (even though it works and will kill them) he has other outs.

Byakugan Inefficient | Kikaichū's Overlooked Feat​

Shino's bugs are severely underrated guys! First off, due to not being able to differentiate which is real, or fake due to thousands of insects nesting in Shino! This is a HUGE advantage! This heavily proves that the !

You don't seem to get what was shown nor what the byakugan is capable of bro. The byakugan goes beyond seeing chakra, it see's organs, bones, and things as tiny as blood cells! The difference between a shadow clone and a insect clone is night and day different!!! A shadow clone perfectly matches everything from the hair outside to the bones inside the body! Insect clones just use a mass amount of insects to take the appearance of the ninja, they cannot make bones nor organs.

Databook 2 - Mushi Bunshin no Jutsu:
HIJUTSU; NINJUTSU; Mushi Bunshin no jutsu (Arcane; Ninjutsu; Insect Clone technique)
User: Aburame Shino
Supplementary; Rank: none.

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A secret technique exclusive to the Aburame clan, where thousands, even myriads of insects are gathered in one place and pattern themselves after the caster's silhouette...! Seeing as it's elaborate enough to be mistaken for the original, it may be used as a decoy, or as part of a diversionary tactic. Furthermore, since one can put the insects in standby someplace beforehand, then have them assume the form of the clone, this jutsu is arguably even more effective than Kage Bunshin, depending on the task.

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-A writhing congregation of countless insects, assuming a human form!!

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-Once the offensive against him begins, he turns out to be a clone!!


As per the databook, the insects take the outer appearance of the ninja and not the inside nor can it be used to fight or preform jutsu's just decoys and things alike. Not only would the byakugan be able to look in the inside and see that it is filled with nothing but bugs, he will also from the very beginning see the insect clone form and at all times keep track of the original Shino to know who is fake or not. So to break it down:

1. Byakugan will be able to tell who's fake or not.
2. Byakugan will keep track of shino and the fake clone forming at all times. since with teh byakugan it is like fighting in a simple terrain with zero hiding spots!




The Kikaichū are heavily relied on for their chakra absorption capabilities, but they are way more versatile than just that! I won't get into their full arsenal, but one VERY overlooked feat they've shown is the ability to ! Now why is that so important against Neji?! Hell, it's a sure-fire, easy way to completely annihilate Neji, from the inside, especially with Shino's battle tactics!

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You underrate neji as a scrub if you think any of the bugs would even land on his skin and not be blown away! Not only would every single bug be looked at and be aware of, but the moment they attempt to land on him, they get blown away no diff with pure chakra before they even get close to his skin!







Battle Tactics​

Shino's way of battling is rather smart, probably one of the smartest we've overall been given the pleasure to witness. , Shino full on took Zaku's technique in order to use as a distraction so that his insects could swarm the rear, and box in Zaku, the sheer speed in which the bugs did so was incredible, literally in seconds!

The moment Shino gets close he is literally a dead man standing!

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Not only is that simple and weak strategy a instant win for neji, even if he didn't have 64 Palms he would (with the byakugan) see the bug leave shino and attempt to land on him. You must know nothing of the byakugan to think that tactic would work even on hinata!


Shino also was shown to apply the fake/feign tactic against Kankuro, which later proved to be !

Not only is Kankuro not a close range fighter he is extremely slow and doesn't even compare to neji in the slightest!

One scenario in which Shino would completely destroy Neji in, would be to apply his strategy against Kankuro, but using a clone! Neji not being able to pinpoint which is the real Shino would choose to take out the first threat opposing him, that being an insect clone. This is how things would go down:

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The female Kikaichū would be implanted upon the clone Shino's feint which then would then perform one of the two actions:

I. Burrow swiftly into Neji's skin eating his chakra internally, and using his chakra to reproduce thousands of Kikaichū in his system.

II. Simply lay dormant on his skin, while subtly eating chakra, and quickly reproducing hundreds of Kikaichū, in which would take on action I.

Once Neji takes out Shino's clone the insects used to form the copy would either reform - to keep Neji occupied, or spread, then swarm attacking Neji, giving him another problem to worry about!


Lol Bro i already debunked your Clone tactic. I also debunked any insect even getting close to neji's skin! I also debunked any and all close combat attempts Via instant with 64 Palms or Rotation to instantly kill him! Neji literally would tract any and all insects no diff and shino at all times! He would know where the fake shino and real shino are and know what strategy you would take based on position and battle tactics. Lets act as though neji doesn't have the byakugan to see a bug on his body; If you think Neji a perfect chakra user wouldn't notice his chakra being jabbed at even in the slightest... You don't know the hyugas if so!


Ace in the Hole!​

Adding on to the previous section regarding the Kikaichū eating through Neji's flesh, the Kikaichū could easily be replaced by Shino's newest parasite, the Kidaichū!




Upon applying either action I or II against Neji, the kidaichū would bury itself into Neji, then feed off of both his insides, and chakra increasing in size with every bite, until either - .

Either way Neji is out of his league against Shino fam!






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Bro! The moment shino attempts close combat he instantly loses! This is non disputable! Rotation or 64 divinity one shots him no diff! He loses either way. It's my turn to tell why this is a low diff fight!


With the entire area being mapped out including shino. I'll assume insect globe will be attempted. Neji with in seconds crossed 50+meters while on his death bed and severely injured no diff to hit Kimmimaru while he was still in the air falling from gravity!

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Not only is shino slow and lack CQC and taijutsu feats to even come close to Hinata, Neji would easily close any distance of him and shino off bat (out of character in OP), and go for fatal strikes or 64 palm for instant win!

Now you might say "he'll have to go through the swarm of insects to get to shino", and you are correct! But with the ability he will no diff go through the swarm untouched in a matter of seconds! You then will say,"But the insects will eat the chakra once they land on the chakra barrier and he gets through", you are semi correct! Since he will no diff be able to pass through the insect swarm in a matter of seconds to finish shino off bat; ! You remember when I told you Rotation wasn't needed? Well it isn't, since and destroys the target if they are not petra or Sama' lv (keep in mind even yet neji easily destroyed him!).

In no scenario will shino be able to win! Sorry bro, the out of character part was not helping you one bit.
 

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#Savageeeeeeeeeeee. About to go in Drae. Be ready fam.
 

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Why fodder characters again
 

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Drae best bust that Hyuuga knowledge. Know you guys don't like metal but was listening to this while reading the post and makes for good fight music

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vz1O0bK3PA4[/video]
 

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As I told Drae, I'll be finishing up my counter after the Gym. Dudes making me work :scorps:
 

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Yeah... By feats and portrayal Neji wins...
Really liking the "debate" tho..
 

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Shino wins...
Rotation is useless, as Shino will simply command his insects to stay outside the range of the rotation.
Neji's carelessness is in his arrogance. shown when he failed to check underground vs Naruto.
Working so closely to a Hyuuga, Shino more than likely knows all the nics and nacs of his opponent. The insect jamming technique over such a wide area would hinder Neji greatly, regardless of if he's already mapped out the area. Therefore, pinpointing Shino's location over range would fare difficult.
Shino also has his ties to the insect wildlife of the forest, shown in the forest of death arc when he used the leeches to take out a team single-handedly.

All in all, Neji is NOT getting close to Shino to deal any decisive blows, while Shino has more than enough means to disable Neji for good. Not to mention Shino's one-hit KO summoning jutsu..
 
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