[Theory] SHINJU Life Cycle: the 6 forms of the Narutoverse GOD.

[Senju Bean]

Quite so, its like an evolved amalgamation where their chakra's are mixed but not sublimated (where they lose their own unique traits). This is a strong indicator that what you have hypothesized is probably correct.

Otherwise Naruto's gifted biju chakra wouldn't have been able to pull out the various biju. He would have pulled out juubi chakra but he didn't.

There are nine tomo on the juubi's eye.....nine beasts wouldn't be a coincidence would it....I'm beginning to think that SO6P had very little to do with creating the Biju other than naming them lol.

Interesting how the Rinnegan seems to grant control over these six realms of the Juubi.....

Yeah that's true. The nine tomo definitely has something to do with the tailed beasts.



Now I'm just wondering how all the entities are able to remain separate. We had the Bijuu, Gedo Mazou, and Shinju all on field at once.

 

[valandil988]

Yeah that's true. The nine tomo definitely has something to do with the tailed beasts.



Now I'm just wondering how all the entities are able to remain separate. We had the Bijuu, Gedo Mazou, and Shinju all on field at once.

Remember as you have said they don't have a "transformation" relationship where one thing is sacrificed for the next path as if that was true the biju should have been long gone.


And remember that the God tree isn't on the the field at the moment, its shell remains but the powers that make it more than a big ass tree have been pulled away from it by Naruto. At the moment its just a big ass piece of mokuton created by Obito.

So no your concerns don't seem to be a problem.

 

[Senju Bean]

Remember as you have said they don't have a "transformation" relationship where one thing is sacrificed for the next path as if that was true the biju should have been long gone.


And remember that the God tree isn't on the the field at the moment, its shell remains but the powers that make it more than a big ass tree have been pulled away from it by Naruto. At the moment its just a big ass piece of mokuton created by Obito.

So no your concerns don't seem to be a problem.

Yeah that is true. Perhaps all the "paths" will be on the battle field at once, all personalities represented.

Also, the Fruit should play a role.

Notice that the Fruit has two parts split down the middle.
One side with an inverted spiral and another side upright spiral.

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This is symbolic of the fact that the Fruit represents the turning point of the divine will, perphaps with the inverted side being malevolent and the upright side being benevolent.

 

[valandil988]

Yeah that is true. Perhaps all the "paths" will be on the battle field at once, all personalities represented.

Also, the Fruit should play a role.

Notice that the Fruit has two parts split down the middle.
One side with an inverted spiral and another side upright spiral.

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This is symbolic of the fact that the Fruit represents the turning point of the divine will, perphaps with the inverted side being malevolent and the upright side being benevolent.

Maybe....I'm going to suggest something a bit mad here but bare with me.

The act that Kaguya took by eating the fruit......could it be that when she consumed part of the fruit she only ate a small part of it.....say along the lines of your idea with the spiral representing light and the anti-spiral representing dark. Lets say she ate the light part of the fruit....ruining the balance of the god tree...the light half of the juubi's will is lost within Ninja kind?

The design of the fruit is quite interesting, the tree with two halfs on either side probably light and dark. Kaguya looks to be about to eat the light half of the fruit. When that happened the balance of the two wills of the juubi were overturned and the juubi was enraged....or driven mad.

Its also a possible explanation for this so called inexplicable will that Naruto has....could it be considering that the Uzumaki clan has a spiral symbol representing it, that this "light" will of the juubi has been passed down through the generations to Naruto and those like him?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Yeah that is true. Perhaps all the "paths" will be on the battle field at once, all personalities represented.

Also, the Fruit should play a role.

Notice that the Fruit has two parts split down the middle.
One side with an inverted spiral and another side upright spiral.

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This is symbolic of the fact that the Fruit represents the turning point of the divine will, perphaps with the inverted side being malevolent and the upright side being benevolent.

There are also six leaves on the fruit, symbolic of the six realms perhaps?

 

[valandil988]

There are also six leaves on the fruit, symbolic of the six realms perhaps?

Nice catch ^_^

 

[Senju Bean]

Maybe....I'm going to suggest something a bit mad here but bare with me.

The act that Kaguya took by eating the fruit......could it be that when she consumed part of the fruit she only ate a small part of it.....say along the lines of your idea with the spiral representing light and the anti-spiral representing dark. Lets say she ate the light part of the fruit....ruining the balance of the god tree...the light half of the juubi's will is lost within Ninja kind?

The design of the fruit is quite interesting, the tree with two halfs on either side probably light and dark. Kaguya looks to be about to eat the light half of the fruit. When that happened the balance of the two wills of the juubi were overturned and the juubi was enraged....or driven mad.

Its also a possible explanation for this so called inexplicable will that Naruto has....could it be considering that the Uzumaki clan has a spiral symbol representing it, that this "light" will of the juubi has been passed down through the generations to Naruto and those like him?

Excellent observation. Yes, it could definitely be due to a balance issue. One of the things I was hypothesizing about, but never turned it into a full theory, has to do with the Yin/Yang relationship of light/darkness.

I hypothesized that she at the whole fruit, and that, as a fact about reality, even though she only desired the light, the darkness automatically came with it.

This was Madara's explanation, "Whenever there is light, there is also shadow."

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This fact about reality is, I believe, connected to the Shinju, specifically the Fruit. It's as if the Fruit has some mystical ability to affect reality. After Kayuga stopped the wars and Hagaromo sealed the Juubi, human wars became worse, almost as it was planned out in retaliation.

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The Shinju, as the true god of the NarutoVerse is beyond just the tree and eye construct. Even when sealed away into the moon, it's godly will still weights down on humanity like an iron fist.

The Shinju will, via Fruit, is what is causing the wars to "spiral" out of control. Perhaps this is the antispiral side taking into effect.

 

[valandil988]

Excellent observation. Yes, it could definitely be due to a balance issue. One of the things I was hypothesizing about, but never turned it into a full theory, has to do with the Yin/Yang relationship of light/darkness.

I hypothesized that she at the whole fruit, and that, as a fact about reality, even though she only desired the light, the darkness automatically came with it.

This was Madara's explanation, "Whenever there is light, there is also shadow."

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This fact about reality is, I believe, connected to the Shinju, specifically the Fruit. It's as if the Fruit has some mystical ability to affect reality. After Kayuga stopped the wars and Hagaromo sealed the Juubi, human wars became worse, almost as it was planned out in retaliation.

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The Shinju, as the true god of the NarutoVerse is beyond just the tree and eye construct. Even when sealed away into the moon, it's godly will still weights down on humanity like an iron fist.

The Shinju will, via Fruit, is what is causing the wars to "spiral" out of control. Perhaps this is the antispiral side taking into effect.

I'm not sure what else to say lol. It certainly makes sense. So how does humanity get out of this?

How do Sasuke and Naruto fix this? Its not like they can give chakra back?? They can't get humanities innocence back...

So its a case of progressing, overcoming this will....transcending the juubi's will.

No pressure huh? Naruto just has to transcend a gods will?

 

[Senju Bean]

I'm not sure what else to say lol. It certainly makes sense. So how does humanity get out of this?

How do Sasuke and Naruto fix this? Its not like they can give chakra back?? They can't get humanities innocence back...

So its a case of progressing, overcoming this will....transcending the juubi's will.

No pressure huh? Naruto just has to transcend a gods will?

Well, I noticed one thing, when TNJ is used, it works, as in the case of Obito. When violence is used, i.e Hashirama stabbing Madara, it had a huge backlash for generations to come. It seems like violences causes things to continue to spiral out of control.

When Sasuke and Naruto tried the violent approach, this is what happened,

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This is reality spiraling out of control. Violence causes more violence.

I can't help but think, Madara cannot be stopped with force anymore.

The dark side of the Fruit is manifesting in Madara. Why the ridiculous powerups? Why all the luck?

Madara has been getting lucky, ridiculously lucky. He has been revived even though Nagato didn't go through with the plan. Hashirama just so happened to be revived so Madara can steal his SM.

Madara even said, "The Heavens smile upon me"

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Violence in reality is like quicksand, the more you struggle, the deeper you sink.

 

[valandil988]

Well, I noticed one thing, when TNJ is used, it works, as in the case of Obito. When violence is used, i.e Hashirama stabbing Madara, it had a huge backlash for generations to come. It seems like violences causes things to continue to spiral out of control.

When Sasuke and Naruto tried the violent approach, this is what happened,



This is reality spiraling out of control. Violence causes more violence.

I can't help but think, Madara cannot be stopped with force anymore.

The dark side of the Fruit is manifesting in Madara. Why the ridiculous powerups? Why all the luck?

Madara has been getting lucky, ridiculously lucky. He has been revived even though Nagato didn't go through with the plan. Hashirama just so happened to be revived so Madara can steal his SM.

Madara even said, "The Heavens smile upon me"






Violence in reality is like quicksand, the more you struggle, the deeper you sink.

Great so we can loo forward to Madara being Tnjd....=_= sigh I suppose your right.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I've always wondered, what does the Shinju's flower really contain? according to Madara it's the Eye but I have a suspicion that it might be something more than that. The blooming of the Lotus is the symbol of spiritual enlightenment in Buddhism, that is why the Buddha is sitting in a Lotus, spiritual enlightenment is attained through the "Inner Path", in Naruto, it's the reverse, following the heretical Outer Path (seeking power/enlightenment through an external source) the Gedo Mazo is shown sitting atop a Lotus:

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The Shinju's Flower is also a Lotus:

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In Naruto, the ultimate point of achieving the Outer Path is through the blooming of the Shinju's Flower, so when it blooms, will there also be a deity-like entity inside it? which is the mirror opposite of the Buddha

 

[Senju Bean]

I've always wondered, what does the Shinju's flower really contain? according to Madara it's the Eye but I have a suspicion that it might be something more than that. The blooming of the Lotus is the symbol of spiritual enlightenment in Buddhism, that is why the Buddha is sitting in a Lotus, spiritual enlightenment is attained through the "Inner Path", in Naruto, it's the reverse, following the heretical Outer Path (seeking power/enlightenment through an external source) the Gedo Mazo is shown sitting atop a Lotus:

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The Shinju's Flower is also a Lotus:

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In Naruto, the ultimate point of achieving the Outer Path is through the blooming of the Shinju's Flower, so when it blooms, will there also be a deity-like entity inside it? which is the mirror opposite of the Buddha

That is an interesting idea.

It got me thinking, perhaps it will be the four eyed Uchiha demon. Shinju eye is Sharingan like and currently represents hatred. The Shinju eye is also similar to the Uchiha eye.

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It is also the mirror opposite of Buddha.

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It holds the ringed staff(much like Hagaromo) and also a triton like weapon.

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

That is an interesting idea.

It got me thinking, perhaps it will be the four eyed Uchiha demon. Shinju eye is Sharingan like and currently represents hatred. The Shinju eye is also similar to the Uchiha eye.

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It is also the mirror opposite of Buddha.

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It holds the ringed staff(much like Hagaromo) and also a triton like weapon.

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Isn't that demon called a Dharmapala? a wrathful deity though not necessarily evil, and that trident is called a Trishula, Lord Shiva's weapon said to destroy the physical/mental/spiritual world into oblivion

 

[valandil988]

Isn't that demon called a Dharmapala? a wrathful deity though not necessarily evil, and that trident is called a Trishula, Lord Shiva's weapon said to destroy the physical/mental/spiritual world into oblivion

Wouldn't that suit the Sage of Six paths prediction that the true recreation of the Juubi would "herald" the end of the world. Note I believe it would herald not that it would be the cause....

 

[Mr Hiru]

This discussion thread took an interesting twist...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Wouldn't that suit the Sage of Six paths prediction that the true recreation of the Juubi would "herald" the end of the world. Note I believe it would herald not that it would be the cause....

Yes, that's why I believe Jūbi will be final villain.

 

[minamoto]

Yes, that's why I believe Jūbi will be final villain.

the Juubi of course can not be the final villain..you guys base your thoughts alot on japanese folklore and mythology and forgot completly that its called a manga...and in the manga there's a general rule that the central villain is the one who is supposed to be the finall villain....

 

[Senju Bean]

Isn't that demon called a Dharmapala? a wrathful deity though not necessarily evil, and that trident is called a Trishula, Lord Shiva's weapon said to destroy the physical/mental/spiritual world into oblivion

You mean this?

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It's almost like it's controlling the wheel of Samsara, the cycle of the 6 paths.

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[Senju Bean]

I have a suspsion that the Juubi and/or Shinju is controlled by the substance that Bijuu and Gedo Mazou fused into. Whatever that is. I'm going to call it the Shinju's Core.

That was why Obito was able to seperate himself from the Shinju without dying. The Shinju's core was still inside Obito. It was only until the core was dismantled that the Shinju functions got deactivated.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You mean this?

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It's almost like it's controlling the wheel of Samsara, the cycle of the 6 paths.

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Yes, that Dharmapala's name is Shinje, he presides over the wheel of Samsara and is its prime mover