[Theory] SHINJU Life Cycle: the 6 forms of the Narutoverse GOD.

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This an addition to another thread I created.

The Shinju undergoes a life cycle via Samsara. It makes sense because the Shinju's fruit gives the Rinnegan, aka samsara eyes. It only makes sense that the Shinju would undergo samsara.

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To put simply, there are 6 paths of evolution for the Juubi.


Also, an interesting pattern I noticed is that each path also has a characteristic of the next next path before it. It makes sense, those more evolved still retain some primitive traits from their earlier forms.


Without further adieu,

The Bijuu is the animal path

That is self explanatory. Notice that they have some human characteristics such as talkative personalities.

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The Mazou is the Preta path

because it is essentially a hungry ghost. It is a ghost because it is dead, it is only a shell. It is hungry because it feeds off of the Bijuu. Notice it has a god like ability to hold souls and is always in a position of prayer. It prays on a Lotus like a Hindu god.

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The 1st stage Juubi is the Nakura.

It is hellish looking and has sharp teeth, indicating malevolence. Notice that it has an animal characteristic in the sense that it crawls and is fat, looking lazy.

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The 2nd stage Juubi is the Asura.

It is titanic in size and it’s power is overwhelming. It has several faces, a defining feature of the Asuras. Notice that it has a characteristic of Preta. At first, its anorexic, a preta trait since they are always hungry. The giant bulb on its back represents the giant stomachs that Pretas usually have.

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The Juubi Jin is the human path

It in human form, with a human mind. Notice that Obito as the Juubi Jin has the characteristic of the Nakura path; he is hellish is thought and perceives the world as hell. Interesting, in Hagaromo’s case, it’s reversed since he has the characteristic of the Deva Path. I will talk about that more later.


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Finally, the Shinju is the God path.​

It is the beginning and the end. It created life and has the power to end it. Notice it has certain characteristic of the Asura path, an important one is wrath. The tree became enraged when Kayuga ate the fruit.

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How fitting it is, to have the circle of life completed in this way, from plant to animal and then from animal to plant.




Now those are just the 6 physical forms. The Outer Path deals with the Shinju's/Juubi's will.




Outer Path is the Divine Will of the Shinju/Juubi

Preliminaries​

why the God Tree became enraged when fruit was eaten? I don’t know. I think there might be two sides of a coin. Benelovence and Malevolence. The tree back then was the side of Benevolence. When humans were waring, Kayuga sought to end violence with even more violence. The fruit was a test for humanitie's most benevolent. If even they fail, then the Tree will be enraged at this solution. The tree was enraged but yet needed to reincarnate it’s self to the evil form to exact pushinment. This is because even though that side of the Shinjuu was enraged, it was still the good side, it needed to be reborn as evil as evil is necessary to exact humanities compete destruction. Hence, it was reborn, starting with the evil’s form’s larval state, the Narka( i.e fat Juubi), which would further evolve through 4 upper states, which are evil on this side of the coin. Hagaromo was unable to stop this evil so he pushed the Juubi two levels below via COAT. These paths, being below the larval state are neither evil nor good. They either are animals or a mindless ghost. However, they can be corrupted over time, just like how Kurama became hate filled.

Statement​

The outer path is said to control life and death. Through the Shinju's divine will, life was created. Now, also through it's Divine Will, it intends to destroy life.



This is the outer path as it is a will that is outside of the 6 paths and influences all of those paths externally. That is why Nakra to Deva is malevolent. Even the paths that Hagaromo created, Animal(i.e Bijuu) and Preta( i.e Mazou) became malevolent over time, indirectly though. In the Bijuu's case, they became more hate filled as a byproduct of humanities' selfishness( trapping the Bijuu for war weapons), of course is due to the Shinju's curse for misusing the fruit.

This path being "Outer" does not change when the other paths change. Divine will is not so easily broken through mere physical evolution. But through something more fundamental.

Now you may say, "then why wasn't Hagaromo affected by the negative will of the Shinju?"

I would say he did. Being resilient though, he didn't become evil. But he did create the tools for more violence( i.e Ninjutsu). He probably was losing some hope in the ideal of true peace so he gave instructions for the Infinite Tsukuyomi as a last measure just in case Humanity didn't get it's act together. So yes, even Hagaromo was also influenced by the Divine Will of the Shinju.

Shinju's Divine Will:

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Conclusion​

In conclusion: the 6 physical forms of the Shinju comprise the 6 paths and the Outer Path is the Shinju's Divine Will: to create or destroy
 
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I did not know their was a God Path... (-_-)
 

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What would path would the creature going against Hagoromo in the flashbacks be?
 

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Interesting take on the Jubi but I think the Sage had Rinnegan before he became a Jin. Madara unlocked Rinnegan and he's never been a jinchuriki. Also it's safe to assume that the "first stage" of the Jubi never existed before because that was the result of an incomplete ressurection...and the Jubi isn't malevolent Kurama said so himself.
 

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Last one is more like erection path.

LMAO, it "created life and has the power to end it" Till this day men became God.

If you don't get it kill yourself. |: My parents threaten me with that all the time. lol
 
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This is an interesting way to look at it, but I would see the Shinju as the Preta path, since it absorbs chakra
 

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Interesting take on the Jubi but I think the Sage had Rinnegan before he became a Jin. Madara unlocked Rinnegan and he's never been a jinchuriki. Also it's safe to assume that the "first stage" of the Jubi never existed before because that was the result of an incomplete ressurection...and the Jubi isn't malevolent Kurama said so himself.

I agree, the Sage did have the Rinnegan before he became the Jin. However, the Rinnegan came from the Shinju, so logically, the Shinju also has some essence of Samsara, which is indicated in the 6 physical forms.
 

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This thread reminds me of the movie 21
 

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Nice Thread. I think when the Juubi reemerges it will break free from Madara's control and will wreak destruction upon the world (like Shiva)

Afterall, did not Hagoromo say that the Juubi will bring destruction to the world?

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Nice Thread. I think when the Juubi reemerges it will break free from Madara's control and will wreak destruction upon the world (like Shiva)

Afterall, did not Hagoromo say that the Juubi will bring destruction to the world?

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Thanks. Yes, I agree. Regarding the Shinju's divine will( i.e outer path) , pre fruit Shinju was mostly benevolent, creating life as we know it. Post fruit Shinju would similarly destroy the world due to a change in divine will.


Actually, I theorize that the Yang portion, the tree's body, was the major portion that gave life to earth's inhabitants( after all, it's a giant tree, symbolic of life itself). In turn, the Yin portion, the Eye, is designed to end it( e.g Infinite Tsukuyomi). The body is like Brahma and the Eye is like Shiva. But these are just rambling thoughts as of right now. I'll probably organize this into a thread soon.
 
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I always viewed the ending of the series in terms of Apocatastasis, that Naruto and the Ninja World will make peace with the Juubi and the latter will forgive them for sinning against it (taking its Chakra) I think that would fit well with the concept of Moksha which is the final liberation from the Wheel of Samsara which is the Wheel of Suffering
 

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Reminds me of Yggdrasil, the God Tree connected to the Nine Worlds.



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I always viewed the ending of the series in terms of Apocatastasis, that Naruto and the Ninja World will make peace with the Juubi and the latter will forgive them for sinning against it (taking its Chakra) I think that would fit well with the concept of Moksha which is the final liberation from the Wheel of Samsara which is the Wheel of Suffering

Ah yes. I wonder, in what form the Juubi would take if it is finally liberated? There are the 6 paths for physical form and a 7th path for divine will, but to escape all that, it must become something different entirely.

After the peace is made, maybe the mechanism for reaching Nirvana has something to do with the fruit being grown in the right way, with Apocatastasis as the catalysis.
 

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What a great theory, it indicates that even though the juubi was interfered with by Hagoromo it was all "intended" or part of the cycle of the world. It wasn't something outside of the juubi's expected existence. Did Hagoromo create the Biju or did he only subjugate the Juubi to the point where it forcefully separated on its own?

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What a great theory, it indicates that even though the juubi was interfered with by Hagoromo it was all "intended" or part of the cycle of the world. It wasn't something outside of the juubi's expected existence. Did Hagoromo create the Biju or did he only subjugate the Juubi to the point where it forcefully separated on its own?

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Thanks. Yes I do believe it to be part of a cycle. Even though the Sage intended to have them made as animals, he too was predestined to create them that way.

In fact, isn't it interesting that the Bijuu were inside the Juubi the whole time? It's not like they dissolved and fused to be the Juubi. Otherwise, the SA would have had to create a whole new set of Bijuu.
 

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Thanks. Yes I do believe it to be part of a cycle. Even though the Sage intended to have them made as animals, he too was predestined to create them that way.

In fact, isn't it interesting that the Bijuu were inside the Juubi the whole time? It's not like they dissolved and fused to be the Juubi. Otherwise, the SA would have had to create a whole new set of Bijuu.

Quite so, its like an evolved amalgamation where their chakra's are mixed but not sublimated (where they lose their own unique traits). This is a strong indicator that what you have hypothesized is probably correct.

Otherwise Naruto's gifted biju chakra wouldn't have been able to pull out the various biju. He would have pulled out juubi chakra but he didn't.

There are nine tomo on the juubi's eye.....nine beasts wouldn't be a coincidence would it....I'm beginning to think that SO6P had very little to do with creating the Biju other than naming them lol.

Interesting how the Rinnegan seems to grant control over these six realms of the Juubi.....
 
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