[VS] Shiliew VS Admiral Fujitora

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This is all that’s needed to be said right here.
If you want to make a case of anyone beating or stalemating a Yonko from the World Govt. then mention Commander in Chief Kong. He outranks both fleet admiral and admiral, also he was fleet admiral during Gol D Rogers reign.

But no, they think that a bunch of admirals is going to solo the most powerful people in the world. There wouldn’t be a Warlord system if an admiral can defeat a Yonko 1 on 1.

you're totally right
if admirals are stronger than Yonko or even stronger than top tier Yonko commanders then there is no need
for Warlord system

noticed that easy warlord fall down or defeated like doffy , croc , moria etc

they replace them with new members every time

Admirals wankers or riders who think Admirals are the strongest
clearly Fanboys and 11 years old who don't read the manga and seeing the Facts
that admirals are actually equal to Yonko commanders and in some situation some commanders > certain admiral

mihawk > Fujitora

is another example ( away from Yonko commanders comparisons with admirals )​

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

i agree with most of the points ( excluding the BB ship captains power scale )

you are right being in the same category doesn't mean same power
and you gave me an example of whitebeard commanders

Yes Marco seems the strongest commanders
and he is the counter for kizaru thats why Oda made him blocked kizaru attacks like nothing

however i do agree that ace is warlord level except for one situation he is stronger than 1 admiral
( even though 1 of the warlords is i believe stronger than at least 1 admiral and i will talk with him later )

Ace is the natural Counter for Aokiji , and Aokiji is an admiral
so that make ace > an admiral
in this situation he is not a warlord level

its all about counters

like luffy and Enel
back in that time the power Gap is huge
but luffy won because he is enel natural opponent


also back to warlords power level they're definitely not the same
mihawk ( who i see as the strongest warlord from the beginning )

is easily stronger than admiral fujitora
why ? because he is simply the strongest and greatest swordsman in the world
we got alot of confirmation on this plus he is Zoro's Final obstacle to be the strongest swordsman

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so since there is swordsman admiral it easily says that mihawk > admiral fujitora

mihawk i believe joined the shichibukai as a cover
because he is actually shanks friend and will betrayed the government in the future no doubt
that's why he trained zoro for two years and didn't participate alot in the marineford fight

only one sword slash to WB and that's
he is too OP , he will even not only stronger than admiral fujitora but will put a big fight against any admiral

so that's why warlords not in one basket just like vice admiral Garp is way stronger than akainu​

Correct. Mihawk is above everyone else and even though he's world he's still above Warlord level just like how Garp is vice admiral yet above Admiral level.
They have their own reasons why they decided to keep those positions but I just wanted to clarify.

Whitebeard's commanders
Kaido's captains
Blackbeard's captains and
Big mom's generals

Are all in difference scales when it comes to strength gauging. The stronger commanders on Whitebeard's ship is 1, 2, 3, and 5 while the rest of the commanders are essentially fodders that lost to vice admirals during the war.
That's why besides Marco who's Yonko First Mate, commaders Vista, Ace, and Jozu are around Warlord level. Ace stalemated a Warlord therefore that's his level and Vista including Jozu fit in that branch because they are somewhat equal.
Generals Cracker, Smoothie, and Snack fit in that level as well.

Then there's the devil fruit advantage thing that you mentioned earlier which type advantage makes you stronger in nature.

about BB crew your points are logically i don't deny this bro
but since Burgess Exposed himself and showed like 50% of his power ( maybe i'm wrong )
so then he has some feats while Shiliew is featless and mysterious

yes this doesn't mean like the rest of BB crew ( all of them ) are stronger than Burgess no
we can easily solve this by imagining the fight between strawhats crew and BB crew

let's start with the obvious

luffy vs BB
Zoro vs Shiliew
Brook vs Lafitte ( they have the same type of weapon ! )
Usopp vs Van Augur
Chopper vs Doc Q ( with his almost dead horse lol )

Now these are the obvious fight that will happen in the future
the rest are expectations

so if we took quick look to strawhats power scale
Zoro definitely is the second strongest and easily

is not logical that Zoro will fight a weaker opponent and other strawhats crew
excluding luffy of course will fight stronger opponent than zoro

maybe i'm wrong who knows but only time will tell us

Shiliew is stronger than admiral fujitora for the reasons i mentioned in previous posts
i will not say big gap but definitely stronger that's what i believe

i know Sabo is very very strong and easily equal to most admirals power level
( not like admirals wankers who think sabo is weaker than admirals which they ignore manga facts )

but fujitora didn't even scratch sabo let alone win
i will not say Shiliew will defeat sabo or anything like this
no sabo probably stronger than both of them ( fujitora and Shiliew )
but i think he will be a more of a challenge than fujitora who didn't defeat even doffy
and doffy is easily weaker ( slightly though) than sabo !


Shiliew will surprise us in the future i believe since he is featless

Yonko BB pirates are the strongest i believe after shanks pirates
this is only expectations who knows

my list for strongest Yonko and Yonko crew :

1 - Shanks ( without a doubt )
2 - this one is very debatable and it's only an opinion of course no facts
it's between BB and kaido i believe BB
3 - Kaido
4 - Big mom

In this point my opinion diffs from yours actually. Admiral Issho is stronger than Shiliew because he wouldn't be headjailer if he was admiral level. Luffy was physically beating Magellan in the Impel down in G2 and later Base w/wax gloves form but only lost due to the poison. Magellan beat up Shiliew and locked him up in the prison because of his blood lust. So I have a hard time seeing Shiliew being above Warlord level since he was defeated and locked up by Magellan pre-timeskip.

That's why I see Shiliew fighting Jimbei in the end and Burgess or Kuzan fighting Zoro, Doc Q fighting chopper, Van Augur fights Usopp, etc.
Don't forget that Kuzan joined too.

 

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Correct. Mihawk is above everyone else and even though he's world he's still above Warlord level just like how Garp is vice admiral yet above Admiral level.
They have their own reasons why they decided to keep those positions but I just wanted to clarify.

Whitebeard's commanders
Kaido's captains
Blackbeard's captains and
Big mom's generals

Are all in difference scales when it comes to strength gauging. The stronger commanders on Whitebeard's ship is 1, 2, 3, and 5 while the rest of the commanders are essentially fodders that lost to vice admirals during the war.
That's why besides Marco who's Yonko First Mate, commaders Vista, Ace, and Jozu are around Warlord level. Ace stalemated a Warlord therefore that's his level and Vista including Jozu fit in that branch because they are somewhat equal.
Generals Cracker, Smoothie, and Snack fit in that level as well.

Then there's the devil fruit advantage thing that you mentioned earlier which type advantage makes you stronger in nature.









In this point my opinion diffs from yours actually. Admiral Issho is stronger than Shiliew because he wouldn't be headjailer if he was admiral level. Luffy was physically beating Magellan in the Impel down in G2 and later Base w/wax gloves form but only lost due to the poison. Magellan beat up Shiliew and locked him up in the prison because of his blood lust. So I have a hard time seeing Shiliew being above Warlord level since he was defeated and locked up by Magellan pre-timeskip.

That's why I see Shiliew fighting Jimbei in the end and Burgess or Kuzan fighting Zoro, Doc Q fighting chopper, Van Augur fights Usopp, etc.
Don't forget that Kuzan joined too.

that's will be the first time ever that a Swordsman is fighting someone else in strawhats crew who aren't specialized with swords like Zoro !

i believe Shiliew is stronger than magellan now
and what happened in the past is kinda mysterious
yes magellan put him in jail , but maybe he got some help

what fujitora showed me is not something " Wow " to me

and we can't ignore the fact he was toe to toe with Doffy who was defeated by luffy​

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

that's will be the first time ever that a Swordsman is fighting someone else in strawhats crew who aren't specialized with swords like Zoro !

i believe Shiliew is stronger than magellan now
and what happened in the past is kinda mysterious
yes magellan put him in jail , but maybe he got some help

what fujitora showed me is not something " Wow " to me

and we can't ignore the fact he was toe to toe with Doffy who was defeated by luffy​

Zoro fought Daz who isn’t a swordsmen, so it’s not the first. The rest of the Yonko’s Luffy will fight doesn’t have a swordsmen as their First Mate.
If Luffy fight Shanks, then who’s going to fight Benn Beckmann?

Dofy never fought Admiral Issho either, he tried to kick him but Issho blocked it with a sword. Zoro was able to at least push Issho with a flying slash.
Last time Dofy tried to fight an Admiral was former admiral Kuzan, he froze him shut for trying to kill Smoker for info, so he walked away and said he’ll use another method instead for information.

Warlord of the seas disrespect the Admirals all the time Dofy even more so because he’s a celestial dragon. They can do whatever they want to Admirals.

 

[Sakazuki]

you're totally right
if admirals are stronger than Yonko or even stronger than top tier Yonko commanders then there is no need
for Warlord system

noticed that easy warlord fall down or defeated like doffy , croc , moria etc

they replace them with new members every time

Admirals wankers or riders who think Admirals are the strongest
clearly Fanboys and 11 years old who don't read the manga and seeing the Facts
that admirals are actually equal to Yonko commanders and in some situation some commanders > certain admiral

mihawk > Fujitora

is another example ( away from Yonko commanders comparisons with admirals )​

Haven't seen one perdon say admirals are the strongest. Just that they are on par with yonkos. Quit making stuff up lmao wtf wrong with you

And your whole ice weaker than lava is b.s.. Cold > heat
Absolute zero can freeze the hottest temperature possible. If aokiji was good enough with his fruit, he could freeze anything. If you don't understand science well. You can go read on hitsugaya from bleach.

Punk hazard was half and half for a reason. The lava wasnt melting into the ice and the ice wasnt freezing into the lava.

Also, the only time akainu melted his ice, was ice that hald already been sitting out, and aokiji wasnt part of it anymore.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

Zoro fought Daz who isn’t a swordsmen, so it’s not the first. The rest of the Yonko’s Luffy will fight doesn’t have a swordsmen as their First Mate.
If Luffy fight Shanks, then who’s going to fight Benn Beckmann?

Dofy never fought Admiral Issho either, he tried to kick him but Issho blocked it with a sword. Zoro was able to at least push Issho with a flying slash.
Last time Dofy tried to fight an Admiral was former admiral Kuzan, he froze him shut for trying to kill Smoker for info, so he walked away and said he’ll use another method instead for information.

Warlord of the seas disrespect the Admirals all the time Dofy even more so because he’s a celestial dragon. They can do whatever they want to Admirals.

i mean the first time Zoro fighting other characters not specialized with the sword IF that same crew has swordsman character

croc crew don't have a swordsman
unlike BB crew

hope you got my point ​

 

[Light up the Darkness]

Haven't seen one perdon say admirals are the strongest. Just that they are on par with yonkos. Quit making stuff up lmao wtf wrong with you

And your whole ice weaker than lava is b.s.. Cold > heat
Absolute zero can freeze the hottest temperature possible. If aokiji was good enough with his fruit, he could freeze anything. If you don't understand science well. You can go read on hitsugaya from bleach.

Punk hazard was half and half for a reason. The lava wasnt melting into the ice and the ice wasnt freezing into the lava.

Also, the only time akainu melted his ice, was ice that hald already been sitting out, and aokiji wasnt part of it anymore.

when you say they're on par with Yonko then you're ignoring manga facts
i posted some questions above for admirals wankers and these questions actually with manga facts
Read my previous posts and stop jumping in the debate without seeing all the posts

if admirals = yonko
why all admirals + warlords participate in marineford fight against 1 yonko crew ?

also on aokiji point , you the one who need to learn some science
Fire with high temperature can melt ice

if aokiji freezing ability > Heat

they why didn't he defeat and capture Ace when they encountered ?

also in my previous posts i evidences from the manga that not only Yonko > any admiral
also some high tier Yonko commanders , Revolution army second strongest ( Sabo ) , some warlords ( mihawk )
are stronger than certain admiral

mihawk > fujitora and so one

so saying admirals on par with Yonko is laughable and not manga related

go re read the manga and stop riding admirals because you will be bleeding​

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[Sakazuki]

when you say they're on par with Yonko then you're ignoring manga facts
i posted some questions above for admirals wankers and these questions actually with manga facts
Read my previous posts and stop jumping in the debate without seeing all the posts

if admirals = yonko
why all admirals + warlords participate in marineford fight against 1 yonko crew ?

also on aokiji point , you the one who need to learn some science
Fire with high temperature can melt ice

if aokiji freezing ability > Heat

they why didn't he defeat and capture Ace when they encountered ?

also in my previous posts i evidences from the manga that not only Yonko > any admiral
also some high tier Yonko commanders , Revolution army second strongest ( Sabo ) , some warlords ( mihawk )
are stronger than certain admiral

mihawk > fujitora and so one

so saying admirals on par with Yonko is laughable and not manga related

go re read the manga and stop riding admirals because you will be bleeding​

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Youre the only one ignoring manga facts

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

i mean the first time Zoro fighting other characters not specialized with the sword IF that same crew has swordsman character

croc crew don't have a swordsman
unlike BB crew

hope you got my point ​

You wanna know what’s funny? Both our opinions on Shilliew is so vastly different, you think Shilliew fights Zoro FirstMate and I think it’s Burgess who fights Zoro First Mate yet Riker’s dumbass is calling you my alt.
:lol
Where did that idiot get that from?

 

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You wanna know what’s funny? Both our opinions on Shilliew is so vastly different, you think Shilliew fights Zoro FirstMate and I think it’s Burgess who fights Zoro First Mate yet Riker’s dumbass is calling you my alt.
:lol
Where did that idiot get that from?

i noticed that lol

who knows maybe Zoro will fight Burgess , but it's weird to me
that there is a swordsman in that crew and Zoro is not fighting that certain swordsman
because Zoro wants to collect as many strong swords as he can

since shiliew sword is famous and special

speaking of that clown called riker
he thought i am your alt because in his little mind thinks that you're the only one who dislike him
you always own this fodder in any debate i see
you're my friend the solo king of one piece section

he is a fodder debater and admiral rider , i decided to ignore him
and put him in block list because he is useless in debate + annoying like a little bitch​

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