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Tobirama is fast af what r u talking about? He blitzed Izuna who had MS and was said to be on Madara's level when they were both alive. MInato was also impressed with his speed
He blitz Izuna with FTG it wasn't shunshin speed blitz, his footspeed is featless and lackluster.

@bold: you should read the viz translations or ask for one in the viz thread.Lol
 

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Kin & Gin > Tobirama. They kicked his ass.

We know nothing about Izuna.


You put Prime Hiruzen so you're going by his hype. Which means he should be stronger than Hashirama since he was said to be the strongest Hokage.
Izuna had MS and was said to be equal to Madara when they were both alive. Obviously Madara got stronger because he took his eyes and got EMS but Izuna is definitely up there.

When was it said he was the strongest hokage? scan please? Hashirama is obviously the strongest one
 

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here's why Kabuto with edo tensei and Orochimaru with edo tensei aren't even close

1 Kabuto proved he can control all his edos except Madara while Orochimaru's biggest feats are restraining Tobirama and controlling part1 pre-retcon fodder versions

2 even if Oro had full control over the 2nd-4th Itachi Muu Nagato Trollkage and the 3rd Raikage would be enough to beat them

3 without edo tensei Kabuto is still strong (top10 imo) Orochimaru is not even top20
 
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here's why Kabuto with edo tensei and Orochimaru with edo tensei aren't even close

1 Kabuto proved he can control all his edos except Madara while Orochimaru's biggest feats are restraining Tobirama and controlling part1 pre-retcon fodder versions

2 even if Oro had full control over the 2nd-4th Itachi Muu Nagato Trollkage and the 3rd Raikage would be enough to beat them

3 without edo tensei Kabuto is still strong (top10 imo) Orochimaru is not even top20
The only one remotely threatening is Nagato. The rest are fodder level to BM Minato w/ Tobirama as support.
 

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Nice list. Agree with the most.

Except Hinata and Sai; i just don't see them as mid-jounin. Maybe Sai; but Hinata is not more than low-jouin; possibly high chuunin.

Shino is higher than both (well atleast Hinata); he could be mid-jounin or higher.

Anyway this is my opinion though=D
 

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With hype; Hanzo is beyond kage level and is around the same lv as ems sasuke! Stated by Jman in his prime and after seeing Bookoo OP opponents still couldn't believe a ninja existed that could ever kill him in his prime! (that's borderline God of shinobi status)
 

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Sakumo's hype puts him higher aswell!

And if you put Zabuza in that level than all other 7 swordsman have to be in the same level! Just because they have drastically lower screen time doesnt make them weaker! Hype wise there all the same except for kisame!

the 3rd Kazekages hype puts him equal with Muu-sama aswell! his abilities alone is Hax as fuq and damn near unstoppable!

But thats just my opinion just like this is yours..
 

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put madara and hashirama up 1 and the list is perfect (with a few other chars that should be abit up but aren't major)
If Madara and Hashi are moved up then they would be on juubitos tier which hash already admitted he's not.

Hashirama is still above Orochimaru, even with edos.

I'd dare argue he beats Kabuto's edo army too.
Hashi is not defeating the Seven Swordsmen, 3rd raikage, 2nd mizukage, mu, kin/gin bros, asuma, Dan, hizashi, Pakura, Gari, Kakuzu, Deidara, Sasori, Chiyo, Kimimaru, Hanzo of the Salamander, Toroi, Itachi, Healthy Nagato, and the Fourth Kazekage by himself. If you argue that then you're mentally ill
 

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With hype; Hanzo is beyond kage level and is around the same lv as ems sasuke! Stated by Jman in his prime and after seeing Bookoo OP opponents still couldn't believe a ninja existed that could ever kill him in his prime! (that's borderline God of shinobi status)
Jiraiya did not have Sennin Mode. Sennin Mode Jiraiya >= Hanzo.
 
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