Sensing: Hashirama and Tobirama

[Xlad]

So what is the difference between keen and better sensing?

 

[kunde]

Well maybe, who knows manga says even madara is a good sensor, i feel kishi made every strong characters to be good at sensing.

 

[KingMadaraLvl9K]

oh yeah...hashirama is the better "penetrator" alright

 

[Penguin]

Sadly, there is no such thing about someone having the ability to sense their own cells better than the others in this manga..

It is common sense. Please don't GFR.

 

[KingHashirama]

It is common sense. Please don't GFR.

Please don't use idiotic common sense, that doesn't exist in the manga.

 

[Penguin]

Ok King you peaked my interest and now I shall solo you. Are you ready?

You say Hashirama is a more "keen" sensor due to him finding out that Orochimaru is made up of his own cells, in which Hashirama should know more about than Tobirama, and should find them out easier. But that is besides the point.

1. As soon as Hashirama and Tobirama were edo tensei'd, none of them knew Orochimaru was made up of Hashirama cells. This leads me to believe that Hashirama is not as "keen" as you make him out to be.

2. What triggers Hashirama to sense more "keenly" is when Orochimaru used the Hashirama cells to subdue Tobirama. Hashirama was wondering how his brother was not fighting it anymore, so Hashirama acted accordingly.

3. Tobirama was getting subdued as Hashirama was sensing Orochimaru more "keenly". As Tobirama was getting subdued, he couldn't sense or do anything. This is like comparing Hussain Bolt and a dude in a wheelchair doing a 40 yard dash. :|

You have moot points. Tobirama is better at sensing in every category when it comes to him and Hashirama.

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[-Punk-]

Minato is the man .


Tobirama only knew it was Madara cause he is a sensor & knows Madara , no ?

& Hashi didn't eve noticed Madara .

 

[Xlad]

Now I figured out why you made this thread.

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How the hell are you supposed to know what exactly Hashirama was referring to when he called Tobirama "dull"? Explain to me how you even came up with that notion. Again, there is no such thing as keen sensor if you were to try going by what manga stated.

 

[KingHashirama]

Ok King you peaked my interest and now I shall solo you. Are you ready?

You say Hashirama is a more "keen" sensor due to him finding out that Orochimaru is made up of his own cells, in which Hashirama should know more about than Tobirama, and should find them out easier. But that is besides the point.

1. As soon as Hashirama and Tobirama were edo tensei'd, none of them knew Orochimaru was made up of Hashirama cells. This leads me to believe that Hashirama is not as "keen" as you make him out to be.

2. What triggers Hashirama to sense more "keenly" is when Orochimaru used the Hashirama cells to subdue Tobirama. Hashirama was wondering how his brother was not fighting it anymore, so Hashirama acted accordingly.

3. Tobirama was getting subdued as Hashirama was sensing Orochimaru more "keenly". As Tobirama was getting subdued, he couldn't sense or do anything.

You have moot points. Tobirama is better at sensing in every category when it comes to him and Hashirama.

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You soloed yourself, ever since you started talking about Tobirama being a better sensor than Hashirama... even when the thread already stated it....

1. Because they had no reason to sense him.

2. Now i will ask you to provide evidence for the bs you claim like other fans. Hashirama was not wondering at all. Hashirama right at that very moment sensed that Orochimaru was powering Edo tensei with his cells. Because the bind was not only focused on Tobirama but Hashirama also.

3. Even though Tobirama did sense when he was subdued....

Try to understand what keen is. Plenty of ninja out there that are more keen.

Now I figured out why you made this thread.

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How the hell are you supposed to know what exactly Hashirama was referring to when he called Tobirama "dull"? Explain to me how you even came up with that notion. Again, there is no such thing as keen sensor if you were to try going by what manga stated.

Sadly your mistaken.

This was thread was made due to a argument against me on youtube. And if you used your brain more you would know he was referring to Tobirama not being able to sense Orochimaru was using Hashi's cells......

If we go by the manga, there is a keen sensor. Understand what sensing is first.

 

[MetalGundam]

Kisame is a sensor when fused with Samehada, he should be mentioned on this thread for such reasons

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

SAdly your mistaken. The one who was focused on the war was Hashirama. Tobirama himself was actually talking to Orochimaru, and focused on Edo tensei and Orochimaru.

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Not only that Hashirama called TObirama dull for not being able to sense the dna.

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On top of that you made the typical assumption that has no base.. of "He sensed his own dna".... there is no credbility there.. Nor is it stated a Wood user can sense his own dna... Otherwise he would've sensed Madara.

And sounds like you did not read the last point. This is not a Hashirama vs Tobirama sensory thread.. TObirama is superior.. already stated it...

However, keen sensing is different from being a better sensor. Keen sensing relies more on your normal sensing abilities.. vs how Minato/Karin and Tobirama can sense through chakra.

The thread is about Keen vs Better..

First and foremost its impossible to compare better n d keen. They are difficient aspects entirely. Better is a comparison between two things. For example, Kakuzu is better than Iruka in ninjutsu. Keen is an adjective describing how well/sharply something is or is perceived. For example, Neji has keener eyesight than a blind man..

How can you compare the two when one is a factor that contributes to the other. Someone who's Keener on Sensing is a better sensor in quality.


Secondly, I did not directly state he did so only because he was sensing his own DNA, is firstly stated that this is a factor that must absolutely be considered.

Thirdly, an accusation that Tobirama was not fixated on the war is false, why did he have to be stopped: he was leaving for war. Yes he spoke with Orochimaru; however, he didn't bother sensing him. This proven by the fact that later on he could sense the chakra and with relative ease. As I recall, Hashirama was the one focused on speaking with Sasuke not the war. We saw that Tobirama was focused on sensing Madara, and what was Naruto. Clearly Tobirama fixated more on the War despite having conversation.

Fourthly, what exactly differs normal sensing from sensing?! That's like saying you are comparing instincts to a sensing jutsu. We've already seen Hashirama couldn't sense Tobirama even as a child. If such is the case then you aren't even comparing sensing, but instinct for what happened, and even then you have no proof to verify it as without sensing or even a suggestion of instinct being a factor here... Any argument is invalid.

Filthy, as I already stated, we do not know WHEN Hashirama sensed this. You seem to go on the premise that he knew from the start. He just as simply could have figured it out only after Tobirama was stopped. Which then implies the purpose of the "fine student" comment as he just now saw what happened. Implying that after taking just a little time to focus on Orochimaru, he could see it. Tobirama, fixated on moving, wasn't even considering sensing Orochimaru.

And I'd you do consider Keennnes different, how is Tobirama sensing the Kumo ninja not Keener?! He sensed numbers, movement style by nation, and even a specific group within that nation in seconds. Much keener than someone standing literally in front of you. Not to mention Tobirama showed signs of previously fighting and was under pressure.

It honestly comes down to who is a better sensor.... and as you've said and I'll say again, Tobirama is better... Tobirama is keener.

This guy only speaks the truth.

All hail lord KGB Kakuzu

Come now let's not start this... It's bad enough we start labeling the characters lords or ladies.


...well except Lady Stocking

 

[KingHashirama]

Kisame is a sensor when fused with Samehada, he should be mentioned on this thread for such reasons

Hell Itachi also.

Sadly people do not know what being keen in senses is.

 

[-Punk-]

Karin solos in sensor skills .

 

[Penguin]

You soloed yourself, ever since you started talking about Tobirama being a better sensor than Hashirama... even when the thread already stated it....

1. Because they had no reason to sense him.

2. Now i will ask you to provide evidence for the bs you claim like other fans. Hashirama was not wondering at all. Hashirama right at that very moment sensed that Orochimaru was powering Edo tensei with his cells. Because the bind was not only focused on Tobirama but Hashirama also.

3. Even though Tobirama did sense when he was subdued....

Try to understand what keen is. Plenty of ninja out there that are more keen.


Sadly your mistaken.

This was thread was made due to a argument against me on youtube. And if you used your brain more you would know he was referring to Tobirama not being able to sense Orochimaru was using Hashi's cells......

If we go by the manga, there is a keen sensor. Understand what sensing is first.

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1. But Hashirama is oh so keen?

2. You mean Hashirama sensed Orochimaru as he was using the Hashirama cells to subdue Tobirama, who Orochimaru was focused on at the time? And when Orochimaru subdued Tobirama, you will see that Tobirama is dumbfounded and couldn't do anything. No duh Hashirama is going to sense him compared to the man who was being controlled by Orochimaru.

3. After he was subdued. Not during.

 

[KingHashirama]

First and foremost its impossible to compare better n d keen. They are difficient aspects entirely. Better is a comparison between two things. For example, Kakuzu is better than Iruka in ninjutsu. Keen is an adjective describing how well/sharply something is or is perceived. For example, Neji has keener eyesight than a blind man..

How can you compare the two when one is a factor that contributes to the other. Someone who's Keener on Sensing is a better sensor in quality.


Secondly, I did not directly state he did so only because he was sensing his own DNA, is firstly stated that this is a factor that must absolutely be considered.

Thirdly, an accusation that Tobirama was not fixated on the war is false, why did he have to be stopped: he was leaving for war. Yes he spoke with Orochimaru; however, he didn't bother sensing him. This proven by the fact that later on he could sense the chakra and with relative ease. As I recall, Hashirama was the one focused on speaking with Sasuke not the war. We saw that Tobirama was focused on sensing Madara, and what was Naruto. Clearly Tobirama fixated more on the War despite having conversation.

Fourthly, what exactly differs normal sensing from sensing?! That's like saying you are comparing instincts to a sensing jutsu. We've already seen Hashirama couldn't sense Tobirama even as a child. If such is the case then you aren't even comparing sensing, but instinct for what happened, and even then you have no proof to verify it as without sensing or even a suggestion of instinct being a factor here... Any argument is invalid.

Filthy, as I already stated, we do not know WHEN Hashirama sensed this. You seem to go on the premise that he knew from the start. He just as simply could have figured it out only after Tobirama was stopped. Which then implies the purpose of the "fine student" comment as he just now saw what happened. Implying that after taking just a little time to focus on Orochimaru, he could see it. Tobirama, fixated on moving, wasn't even considering sensing Orochimaru.

And I'd you do consider Keennnes different, how is Tobirama sensing the Kumo ninja not Keener?! He sensed numbers, movement style by nation, and even a specific group within that nation in seconds. Much keener than someone standing literally in front of you. Not to mention Tobirama showed signs of previously fighting and was under pressure.

It honestly comes down to who is a better sensor.... and as you've said and I'll say again, Tobirama is better... Tobirama is keener.

Highly false, someone who is a keener is not a better sensor in quality in NARUTO. Quality in sensing in Naruto has to do with Range and being able to sense the details in that person. That is quality. Being keen in sensing has to do with your mind being sharp.... So yes I can compare those 2.


No you were making a implication.. and you yourself know that. I simply addressed the implication, before it got further. And "he didn't bother sensing him"... well we can use this excuse for every unkeen person in the series.. The thing is he should've been able to. Notice how he says " Now that I sense better".. Tobirama is a elite sensor... he should've been able to sense Hashirama's chakra.. lmao. THAT IS WHY HASHIRAMA CALLED TOBIRAMA "DULL". Simply meaning Hashirama was quick/Sharp to sense it.

Now you compared Range.... Tobirama is a better sensor because he has range in sensing.. Hashirama has shown he doesn't.

Actually we do know when Hashirama sensed it.. He sensed it when Orochimaru's chakra started to flow through him, just like it did with Tobirama/Hiruzen/Minato. Otherwise he wouldn't call Tobirama dull...... please try to understand that. Unless you can provide evidence he sensed it before. =]. And who said Hashirama was focused on just sensing Orochimaru? lmao.


That is his ability. If me and you are sitting in a room, having a normal discussion, if someone is outside the door, and i sense him... that means i'm more keen. However, when you focus on it.. you are able to sense a army.. meaning you are better at sensing... That is the difference between Hashirama and Tobirama.


As I've said you do not understand what Keen is.. Sir Chaos does....

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1. But Hashirama is oh so keen?

2. You mean Hashirama sensed Orochimaru as he was using the Hashirama cells to subdue Tobirama, who Orochimaru was focused on at the time? And when Orochimaru subdued Tobirama, you will see that Tobirama is dumbfounded and couldn't do anything. No duh Hashirama is going to sense him compared to the man who was being controlled by Orochimaru.

3. After he was subdued. Not during.

1. Has nothing to do with being keen...

2. You mean Tobirama the great sensor couldn't sense Hashirama's chakra that was literally used to bind tobirama's own body.... Even though he is a greater sensor. And please reread.. when Tobirama did sense Hashi's dna.. he was still being controlled. Stop being offended..

3. during.

 

[Voidstep]

you want Hashi to be the better sensor between the two??
no need to go to such lengths
just say he has Sage Mode
problem solved
SM is haxxed for sensing

 

[Dantee]

Minato is not even a sensor. Hashirama most likely sensed it because they were his cells.

 

[Bogard]

Tobirama couldn't recognise Kyubi's signature chakra from that distance when Minato could. Hashirama's sensing ability is terribly lacking(confirmed in the fb by Tobirama). So Minato > Senju bros in sensing skills. Nuff said U_U

 

[kunde]

you want Hashi to be the better sensor between the two??
no need to go to such lengths
just say he has Sage Mode
problem solved
SM is haxxed for sensing

Thats true Lol

 

[Penguin]

Highly false, someone who is a keener is not a better sensor in quality in NARUTO. Quality in sensing in Naruto has to do with Range and being able to sense the details in that person. That is quality. Being keen in sensing has to do with your mind being sharp.... So yes I can compare those 2.


No you were making a implication.. and you yourself know that. I simply addressed the implication, before it got further. And "he didn't bother sensing him"... well we can use this excuse for every unkeen person in the series.. The thing is he should've been able to. Notice how he says " Now that I sense better".. Tobirama is a elite sensor... he should've been able to sense Hashirama's chakra.. lmao. THAT IS WHY HASHIRAMA CALLED TOBIRAMA "DULL". Simply meaning Hashirama was quick/Sharp to sense it.

Now you compared Range.... Tobirama is a better sensor because he has range in sensing.. Hashirama has shown he doesn't.

Actually we do know when Hashirama sensed it.. He sensed it when Orochimaru's chakra started to flow through him, just like it did with Tobirama/Hiruzen/Minato. Otherwise he wouldn't call Tobirama dull...... please try to understand that. Unless you can provide evidence he sensed it before. =]. And who said Hashirama was focused on just sensing Orochimaru? lmao.


That is his ability. If me and you are sitting in a room, having a normal discussion, if someone is outside the door, and i sense him... that means i'm more keen. However, when you focus on it.. you are able to sense a army.. meaning you are better at sensing... That is the difference between Hashirama and Tobirama.


As I've said you do not understand what Keen is.. Sir Chaos does....



1. Has nothing to do with being keen...

2. You mean Tobirama the great sensor couldn't sense Hashirama's chakra that was literally used to bind tobirama's own body.... Even though he is a greater sensor. And please reread.. when Tobirama did sense Hashi's dna.. he was still being controlled. Stop being offended..

3. during.

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1. Yes it does. If he was so keen he should have sensed his own cells ever since meeting him.

2. The initial takeover Tobirama was focused on himself as seen in the reference. During that time, Hashirama was studying the room, as he did not succumb to the takeover. If you take Tobirama and put him in Hashirama's shoes, we would be talking about how bad of a sensor Hashirama is and how un-keen he is. Different constants mean different outcomes.

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3. After the initial take-over, not during. Just re-read.