Sensing: Hashirama and Tobirama

[KingHashirama]

IF anyone else noticed this also.. I believe there is a difference between a better sensor vs a keen (sharp or penetrating) sensor.

For example, Tobirama is way better than Hashirama (well "way better" is probably a exaggeration but still). However, Hashirama is more keen.

What do i mean? Hashirama noticed Casually that the reason Orochimaru was able to restrain Tobirama was because he was powering it with Hashirama's own dna... Doesn't mean Hashirama is a better sensor.. but more keen.

Hashirama was able to sense someone's presence when Tobirama and Hashirama were talking, while Tobirama said he doesn't sense anything.


This thread is not meant to be Hashirama vs Tobirama in sensing. But telling the difference between Keen Sensor and a Better Sensor.

So in a battle what truly counts is the keen sensor. Of course if you are a better sensor you would still be good. However being keen in sensing kind of replaces being great in sensing like Tobirama and Minato.

 

[thunderthehybrid]

Hashirama can sense anyone who has his cells.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama can sense anyone who has his cells.

Opinions are irrelevant to facts. Hashirama did not sense Madara who was fighting the army... only Tobirama did..

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama did not focus at the time. He was getting restrained and pissed off. Hashirama was chill as can be and was just noting the room and everyone in it. Of course he will find out his cells are in Orochimaru before the pissed off, restrained Tobirama.

 

[KingHashirama]

Tobirama did not focus at the time. He was getting restrained and pissed off. Hashirama was chill as can be and was just noting the room and everyone in it. Of course he will find out his cells are in Orochimaru before the pissed off, restrained Tobirama.

Aka Hashirama is more keen....

 

[Aya San]

Hashi was spectator, of course he would sense it

Tobirama was busy acting badass and trying to break a wall with his barehand

 

[Penguin]

Aka Hashirama is more keen....

Not true in the slightest. Tobirama wasn't focused on Orochimaru unlike Hashirama.

 

[raziel777]

I don't see how a Keen sensor > Better sensor in battle. And Hashirama did not sense Madara... He felt his presence, we all can feel that at times, that feeling that there is someone behind us. If he did sensed him, why did he have to ask Tobirama about sensing someone ? Anyhoo

 

[KingHashirama]

Not true in the slightest. Tobirama wasn't focused on Orochimaru unlike Hashirama.

Even though he was directly Talking to Orochimaru the entire time..... lmao.

I don't see how a Keen sensor > Better sensor in battle. And Hashirama did not sense Madara... He felt his presence, we all can feel that at times, that feeling that there is someone behind us. If he did sensed him, why did he have to ask Tobirama about sensing someone ? Anyhoo

feeling someone's presence is sensing my friend.

And the example you gave is the sensing of humans. You think we don't have sensing in us?

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I disagree. A better sensor will be someone who's overall better at doing anything involving sensing. The ability to keenly decipher such a thing is being a better sensor. However, there is a problem to your theory.

Tobirama wasn't attempting to sense Orochimaru. He focused on the war and moved only with the intention to stop it... Ignoring Orochimaru. Also, we only know Hashirama had sensed this when Tobirama was stopped. No action indicates he could have sensed it beforehand. Additionally, the fact they are Hashirama's cells are a considerable factor. What if they weren't his?! This could easily change the situation. Do note Tobirama was able to sense the DNA once he was told to focus on it.

Tobirama's death battle would also make him a keener sensor. Just from a finger in the dirt he could indicate how many and how they moved. Going far enough to decipher they were not only Kumo Ninja, but also the Kinkaku force.

Tobirama is simply a superior sensor based on feats. Hashirama's only feat was sensing someone with his own DNA. Not to mention it isn't clear when he sensed it.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

hashirama is a sensor?

 

[Aya San]

Even though he was directly Talking to Orochimaru the entire time..... lmao.


feeling someone's presence is sensing my friend.

Talking =/= sensing

Sensors usually do handseals and stuff meaning they have to focus on sensing to sense

 

[Penguin]

Even though he was directly Talking to Orochimaru the entire time..... lmao.


feeling someone's presence is sensing my friend.

>Tobirama sensing Madara and everything going on in that battle
>Tobirama hating on Sasuke for being an emo Uchiha
>Hashirama sitting and studying the room due to him not being as good of a sensor as Tobirama, because he couldn't sense what was going on in the battlefield

#MangaPhact

 

[Aya San]

I disagree. A better sensor will be someone who's overall better at doing anything involving sensing. The ability to keenly decipher such a thing is being a better sensor. However, there is a problem to your theory.

Tobirama wasn't attempting to sense Orochimaru. He focused on the war and moved only with the intention to stop it... Ignoring Orochimaru. Also, we only know Hashirama had sensed this when Tobirama was stopped. No action indicates he could have sensed it beforehand. Additionally, the fact they are Hashirama's cells are a considerable factor. What if they weren't his?! This could easily change the situation. Do note Tobirama was able to sense the DNA once he was told to focus on it.

Tobirama's death battle would also make him a keener sensor. Just from a finger in the dirt he could indicate how many and how they moved. Going far enough to decipher they were not only Kumo Ninja, but also the Kinkaku force.

Tobirama is simply a superior sensor based on feats. Hashirama's only feat was sensing someone with his own DNA. Not to mention it isn't clear when he sensed it.

This guy only speaks the truth.

All hail lord KGB Kakuzu

 

[raziel777]

Even though he was directly Talking to Orochimaru the entire time..... lmao.


feeling someone's presence is sensing my friend.

And the example you gave is the sensing of humans. You think we don't have sensing in us?

Huh no, we don't. Not in the Narutoverse way of sensing. Feeling someone presence is not sensing. Can we pick up someone miles away ? Note the similarities between siblings or same-country/race people ? Nah man.

 

[Sir Blades]

>Tobirama sensing Madara and everything going on in that battle
>Tobirama hating on Sasuke for being an emo Uchiha
>Hashirama sitting and studying the room due to him not being as good of a sensor as Tobirama, because he couldn't sense what was going on in the battlefield

#MangaPhact

He isnt saying Tobirama is worse, he is saying Hashi is keen and Tobirama is sensor. Geez just leave it at that.

 

[KingHashirama]

I disagree. A better sensor will be someone who's overall better at doing anything involving sensing. The ability to keenly decipher such a thing is being a better sensor. However, there is a problem to your theory.

Tobirama wasn't attempting to sense Orochimaru. He focused on the war and moved only with the intention to stop it... Ignoring Orochimaru. Also, we only know Hashirama had sensed this when Tobirama was stopped. No action indicates he could have sensed it beforehand. Additionally, the fact they are Hashirama's cells are a considerable factor. What if they weren't his?! This could easily change the situation. Do note Tobirama was able to sense the DNA once he was told to focus on it.

Tobirama's death battle would also make him a keener sensor. Just from a finger in the dirt he could indicate how many and how they moved. Going far enough to decipher they were not only Kumo Ninja, but also the Kinkaku force.

Tobirama is simply a superior sensor based on feats. Hashirama's only feat was sensing someone with his own DNA. Not to mention it isn't clear when he sensed it.

SAdly your mistaken. The one who was focused on the war was Hashirama. Tobirama himself was actually talking to Orochimaru, and focused on Edo tensei and Orochimaru.

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Not only that Hashirama called TObirama dull for not being able to sense the dna.

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On top of that you made the typical assumption that has no base.. of "He sensed his own dna".... there is no credbility there.. Nor is it stated a Wood user can sense his own dna... Otherwise he would've sensed Madara.

And sounds like you did not read the last point. This is not a Hashirama vs Tobirama sensory thread.. TObirama is superior.. already stated it...

However, keen sensing is different from being a better sensor. Keen sensing relies more on your normal sensing abilities.. vs how Minato/Karin and Tobirama can sense through chakra.

The thread is about Keen vs Better.

Huh no, we don't. Not in the Narutoverse way of sensing. Feeling someone presence is not sensing. Can we pick up someone miles away ? Note the similarities between siblings or same-country/race people ? Nah man.

Humans can feel presence.. that is a sensing given to us.

>Tobirama sensing Madara and everything going on in that battle
>Tobirama hating on Sasuke for being an emo Uchiha
>Hashirama sitting and studying the room due to him not being as good of a sensor as Tobirama, because he couldn't sense what was going on in the battlefield

#MangaPhact

- Because he chose to sense it

- Before Hashirama shut him down

- Hashirama being annoyed at Tobirama for acting like a hot headed child and jumping into things, and him being keen enough to sense why his bro was getting restrained, and commented on Tobirama growing dull. On top of that you totally ignore the convo between Oro and Tobirama.. when it happened.. lmao.

 

[Penguin]

He isnt saying Tobirama is worse, he is saying Hashi is keen and Tobirama is sensor. Geez just leave it at that.

Again, Tobirama was distracted by

>Madara who was villages away
>Sasuke and his gang

While Hashirama had time to literally study Orochimaru and his whole genetic make up. Swap their places and Tobirama could have sensed more than his cells.

 

[Vandenreich]

I disagree. Hashi probably noticed sooner because they're his cells.

 

[KingHashirama]

I disagree. Hashi probably noticed sooner because they're his cells.

Sadly, there is no such thing about someone having the ability to sense their own cells better than the others in this manga..