Sasuke's Susanoo is not Perfect Susanoo???

[Da Best Ever]

also u are saying sasuke doesnt have ps because his look different from madara's, well im sure u knw all susano's are different in apperance, sasuke's complete susano is different than itachi's and madara's as well as sasuke's final susano is different from madara's final susano, so this thread is invalid and cant prove sasuke doesnt have perfect susano based on appearance alone...

 

[Vapid]

There's a difference between MS Perfect Susanoo and EMS Perfect Susanoo.

 

[Da Best Ever]

So that means both sasuke and madara's chakara is on biju level??

susano's period are on bijuu levels, i assume at least the 1 tails level for a complete susano and its obvious a perfect susano rivals or is slightly above the kyuubi...

 

[Conspirator.]

Sasuke has PS, only morons who can't read the manga properly think otherwise. Of course, it's probably not as powerful as Madara's(yet) But don't worry, when sasuke returns to the battlefield, he will probably get more feats.

 

[mohdzarif]

also u are saying sasuke doesnt have ps because his look different from madara's, well im sure u knw all susano's are different in apperance, sasuke's complete susano is different than itachi's and madara's as well as sasuke's final susano is different from madara's final susano, so this thread is invalid and cant prove sasuke doesnt have perfect susano based on appearance alone...

Actually I'm confused about the meaning of "Perfect Susanoo". Maybe you too. I thought of it to have characteristics like Madara's PS.

I can say the obvious difference between Sasuke's so-called PS with Madara's PS is that Sasuke's PS just has 2 hands. For the scales pattern on the body, it maybe because of the wrapping around Kurama, both Madara's and Sasuke's Susanoo had scales all over the body when they are enclosing Kurama. But the very clear difference is that Madara got 4 hands whereas Sasuke got 2 hands. And Madara's PS seemed to be really huge too.

 

[Da Best Ever]

There's a difference between MS Perfect Susanoo and EMS Perfect Susanoo.

there is not a ms and ems perfect susano's...u achieve perfect susano by stabilizing the chakra not by a certain advancement in your dojutsu...itachi had a final susano despite not having ems and sasuke has a gained his final and complete susano almost simultaneously, which shows its development process is no different than any other jutsu development

 

[mohdzarif]

Sasuke has PS, only morons who can't read the manga properly think otherwise. Of course, it's probably not as powerful as Madara's(yet) But don't worry, when sasuke returns to the battlefield, he will probably get more feats.

It returns to my first question - what makes a Susanoo a PS? How do you define a PS? And Sasuke's so-called PS doesn't have the full characteristics of Madara's. Obviously, Sasuke's one only got 2 hands.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Actually I'm confused about the meaning of "Perfect Susanoo". Maybe you too. I thought of it to have characteristics like Madara's PS.

I can say the obvious difference between Sasuke's so-called PS with Madara's PS is that Sasuke's PS just has 2 hands. For the scales pattern on the body, it maybe because of the wrapping around Kurama, both Madara's and Sasuke's Susanoo had scales all over the body when they are enclosing Kurama. But the very clear difference is that Madara got 4 hands whereas Sasuke got 2 hands. And Madara's PS seemed to be really huge too.

no i am not confused about the meaning or perfect susano...

all susano's perioda are materialized form of the users chakra, and all shinobi chakra is different which is why sasuke susano is a different color and shape(purple), itachi's is yellow/red, and madara's is blue, and all differentiate in appearance as well...a perfect susano comes from stabilizing the chakra of your final susano, which is why sasuke said to himself " is this what madara did "...

 

[Holy Cross]

Just look at how much more advanced Madara's is(two swords, extra arms etc). Also, just because he can wrap a armor around a slightly smaller version of the Kyuubi doesn't mean he can stabilize a Susanoo that's torso alone is bigger than the bijuu itself

If you ask me, Sasuke can probably make the prerequisite ps but not stabilize it. That's my opinion, and until we see feats of Sasuke performing the aforementioned, it will lay dormant in that context. I'm not some Sasuke fan that nitpicks and claims ignorant assumptions to be factual in order to religiously preach that he has powers which he may or may not possess the skill to use at this current time.

 

[Da Best Ever]

It returns to my first question - what makes a Susanoo a PS? How do you define a PS? And Sasuke's so-called PS doesn't have the full characteristics of Madara's. Obviously, Sasuke's one only got 2 hands.

again susano vary in appearance and color...u must have not being paying attention what all 3 susano's look like becuase u would knw all susano vary in appearance and color in accordance to the user's chakra...and perfect susano is something madara dubbed, it doesnt necessarily mean its perfect but by his definition once u stabilize the final susano's chakra u have complete mastery over it so in his words by his interpretation of it, it is perfect...


also u said sasuke doesnt have 4 hands like madara's therefor its not a perfect susano well...itachi's final susano has 4 hands my friend, and he does not have a perfect susano...so do u get my point or do i need to repeat, all susano's vary in appearance and color in accordance to the users chakra...

 

[Conspirator.]

@mohdzarif:
Here's how it works mate. You have ribcage susanoo, the incomplete form(v2),the complete form(v3), the unstabilized final form(v4) and finally the perfect form. Sasuke has already shown the unstabilized v4(which he used against zetsu) Now sasuke's v4, isn't quite as big as madara's unstabilized v4.(obviously, but it has similar characteristics.) So logic dictates that madara's PS would be bigger than Sasuke's PS.

Sasuke's perfect susanoo shares many characterisics with Madara's, such as the tengu nose etc. Hell, even hashirama recognised the combination. Now, obviously it's not EXACTLY the same as Madara's. No 2 susanoos are identical. Sasuke's is the only one that wields a bow, and has enton. Itachi's is the only one with the yata mriror etc So if you are expecting Sasuke's PS to be EXACTLY like Madara's, then you are going to be disappointed. Now since the susanoo he used on the kyuubi was stronger than the one he used on zetsu(the v4 unstabilized version) then logic dicates that this is the next level-the stabilized PS. Now, it may not be as big as madara's(yet) but that doesn't mean it isn't PS.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Just look at how much more advanced Madara's is(two swords, extra arms etc). Also, just because he can wrap a armor around a slightly smaller version of the Kyuubi doesn't mean he can stabilize a Susanoo that's torso alone is bigger than the bijuu itself

If you ask me, Sasuke can probably make the prerequisite ps but not stabilize it. That's my opinion.

i see u too are misinformed...perfect susano is achieved when the user stabilizes the final susano's chakra, u saying sasuke has a prerequisite perfect susano and not a stabilized one makes your post invalid because of the definition of ps...

 

[China IL]

People are saying Sasuke is the solo king, but he had to mix his chakra with Kurama/Naruto's to get PS. Hence when Kishi notes "Two Powers Mixing"

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Then Naruto opened Sasuke's PS so that the leaf rookies could get inside of Kurama's tails. He even went through and gave everyone Kurama cloak, expressing the fact that he can still, just as easily, control Kurama.

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Not to mention his "sword of solokings" was weilded by Kurama , who Naruto was still in control of, so it was actually wielded by Naruto in a sense. Everyone's neglecting the fact the Naruto was indeed with Sasuke the entire time. Notice that the both of them thrust to break the tip of the SO6P sword. And tbh, Kishi actually only drew Naruto while breaking the SA6P's sword.

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It seems that Naruto was the one still controlling Kurama's movement, as he is the one that made the final thrust.

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This is from an old thread I made on this topic as well. #Comeatme

 

[mohdzarif]

again susano vary in appearance and color...u must have not being paying attention what all 3 susano's look like becuase u would knw all susano vary in appearance and color in accordance to the user's chakra...and perfect susano is something madara dubbed, it doesnt necessarily mean its perfect but by his definition once u stabilize the final susano's chakra u have complete mastery over it so in his words by his interpretation of it, it is perfect...


also u said sasuke doesnt have 4 hands like madara's therefor its not a perfect susano well...itachi's final susano has 4 hands my friend, and he does not have a perfect susano...so do u get my point or do i need to repeat, all susano's vary in appearance and color in accordance to the users chakra...

Itachi's got 4 hands too? I don't remember but maybe you can give me scans. Though, your arguments make sense. Maybe you are right. Though if Sasuke's Susanoo is really a "Perfect Susanoo", surely it is still far below Madara's PS level.

@mohdzarif:
Here's how it works mate. You have ribcage susanoo, the incomplete form(v2),the complete form(v3), the unstabilized final form(v4) and finally the perfect form. Sasuke has already shown the unstabilized v4(which he used against zetsu) Now sasuke's v4, isn't quite as big as madara's unstabilized v4.(obviously, but it has similar characteristics.) So logic dictates that madara's PS would be bigger than Sasuke's PS.

Sasuke's perfect susanoo shares many characterisics with Madara's, such as the tengu nose etc. Hell, even hashirama recognised the combination. Now, obviously it's not EXACTLY the same as Madara's. No 2 susanoos are identical. Sasuke's is the only one that wields a bow, and has enton. Itachi's is the only one with the yata mriror etc So if you are expecting Sasuke's PS to be EXACTLY like Madara's, then you are going to be disappointed. Now since the susanoo he used on the kyuubi was stronger than the one he used on zetsu(the v4 unstabilized version) then logic dicates that this is the next level-the stabilized PS. Now, it may not be as big as madara's(yet) but that doesn't mean it isn't PS.

Your arguments make sense too. Yeah maybe Sasuke's Susanoo is indeed PS but far below the level of Madara's.

 

[Da Best Ever]

This is from an old thread I made on this topic as well. #Comeatme

old thread or not that doesnt give it any relevance...it is true the kyuubi wielder the sword but is the sword sasuke's power???yes... is the susano that enhanced the kyuubi's power sasuke's???yes..... could naruto have done that without sasuke's susano and sword??? NO


naruto is the main character so he should indirectly take the lead in situations as he has been doing....

 

[Xāvî1]

1. You can clearly see that Madara's Perfect Susano'o's scales matches with Sasuke's

Madaras used susanoo on 100 % kurama where as sasuke used it on 50% kurama

2. The faces are identical

Most susanoo's have tengu armour so it doesn't matter

3. Sasuke commented that it is the same thing that Madara did to Kurama at the VOTE, and Hashirama's reaction to it supports that.

that is true

4. Perfect Susano'o is the only Susano'o with a jewel that has the caster in it. Sasuke's had the same thing.

That is not true...All complete susanoo armor has a jewel on the forehead

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5. Kurama's chakra can only heighten your current level, not take you to a new level, therefore, Sasuke has PS on his own.

Lets wait and see.

6. When Madara pulled out Perfect Susano'o, Tsunade commented that Hashirama must have fought against it, and Madara's words to her immediately after supports this.

So what about it........

In bold now shoo...

 

[Holy Cross]

i see u too are misinformed...perfect susano is achieved when the user stabilizes the final susano's chakra, u saying sasuke has a prerequisite perfect susano and not a stabilized one makes your post invalid because of the definition of ps...

I'm being sincere by saying that, considering the fact that all we know is that Madara used the prerequisite and then stabilized it. The only worthy size comparison used by Sasuke is the Kyuubi armor (which is also smaller and inferior looking). In their final form usually all Susanoo look relatively the same. You can't say Madara's non-legged didn't, because he never brought it to it's final lvl before going into the legged variation. A SLIGHTLY smaller/inferior ps Kyuubi armor leads me to leave that he can't stabilize ps (yet). Plus, it took him a few hours worth of spamming ms on Samurai/Danzo to find out how to create a final form for his Susanoo. It's only logical to think that he only has a non-stabilized, hooded ps.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Itachi's got 4 hands too? I don't remember but maybe you can give me scans. Though, your arguments make sense. Maybe you are right. Though if Sasuke's Susanoo is really a "Perfect Susanoo", surely it is still far below Madara's PS level.

yes it does have 4, and i am a vet, a legend to some on nb(i like to believe) it is my job to inform newbies as well as debunk misleading information they have, as well as old members, so it is your job as a fan of " Naruto " and a " NB " debater to know what it is you are debating against so u have to go and find the scans yourself but i am going to be nice and lead you to it...chapter 579 pages 6-7...

 

[China IL]

old thread or not that doesnt give it any relevance...it is true the kyuubi wielder the sword but is the sword sasuke's power???yes... is the susano that enhanced the kyuubi's power sasuke's???yes..... could naruto have done that without sasuke's susano and sword??? NO


naruto is the main character so he should indirectly take the lead in situations as he has been doing....

Did Naruto enhance Sasuke's power, yes. Could Sasuke have performed PS without Kurama, no. Unless you can show me proof of him doing it alone, then he doesn't factually have PS. He may not even have legged, as he awakened that while having the Kurama cloak.

 

[Da Best Ever]

I'm being sincere by saying that, considering the fact that all we know is that Madara used the prerequisite and then stabilized it. The only worthy size comparison used by Sasuke is the Kyuubi armor (which is also smaller and inferior looking). In their final form usually all Susanoo look relatively the same. You can't say Madara's non-legged didn't, because he never brought it to it's final lvl before going into the legged variation. A SLIGHTLY smaller/inferior ps Kyuubi armor leads me to leave that he can't stabilize ps (yet). Plus, it took him a few hours worth of spamming ms on Samurai/Danzo to find out how to create a final form for his Susanoo. It's only logical to think that he only has a non-stabilized, hooded ps.

sasuke created his final form of susano when he faced kakashi but do to exhaustion and blindness he couldnt sustain it, u are refering to the complete form he used to collapse the kage summit on the raikage and gaara and as well as fight danzo with and he later used final susano in that fight as well...


also susano's all vary in appearance and in color in accordance to the user's chakra, which is why all susano look different and have differnent color...so by assuming sasuke doesnt have ps because his doesnt look like madara's fully it put down by the manga logic of susano's and its forms appearance...the difference in size is also depending on the amount of chakra the user has, and madara has the larger amount which is why his susano's period have been larger than sasuke's and itachi's...