Sasuke's Susanoo is not Perfect Susanoo???

[mohdzarif]

What makes a Susanoo a PS? I am skeptical that Sasuke's Susanoo is the PS. Because I believe that PS can be summoned by an Uchiha at Edo Madara's level only.

Here is Madara's PS. It has 4 hands and 2 legs.

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Here is Sasuke's Susanoo enclosing Kurama (plus Kurama's chakra maybe, people said). The first difference from Madara's PS is it got something like "scales" all over its body. The second is it got only 2 hands.

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But here is Madara's Susanoo enclosing Kurama during his earlier days' fight with Hashirama. It looks very much like Sasuke's Susanoo with "scales" around its body.

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Sasuke's:

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So my thought is that the old days EMS Madara during his fight with Hashirama didn't had PS as shown in my 3rd image. Let alone someone like Sasuke to have a PS. Their Susanoo in 3rd and 4th pics look quite alike right? So I believe that somehow Sasuke's Susanoo = old days Madara's Susanoo.

UPDATE: After relooking at

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, found that the old days Madara's Susanoo had 4 hands too. So I believe it was more advanced than Sasuke's who got 2 hands only.

UPDATE 2: After further investigation, it seems like Madara's, Itachi's and Sasuke's Susanoo has 4 hands. Though Sasuke's Susanoo when it was wrapping Kurama maybe got its 4 hands fused together to form 1 left and 1 right.

And I tend to believe that without Naruto, like some other people believe, Sasuke's Susanoo cannot achieve even the level of that old days EMS Madara's Susanoo. It doesn't make sense to me for someone on Sasuke's level and age to progress that rapidly.

First of all, do you remember, Sasuke just got his EMS like 2 days ago (Narutoverse time). And remember when like less than one week ago when he still didn't had EMS, he was quite in trouble in using his Susanoo at the Kage Summit. He got pain in his cells and stuff. If I remember correctly, the first time we got to see the "final" version was during his fight with Danzo. Yeah on

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On the same day or the day after, he got Itachi's eyes. After getting EMS like 1 day, it is simply hard to believe that Sasuke could progress Susanoo to that level of the old days EMS Madara without Naruto's help. It is like too soon. Let alone achieving a Perfect Susanoo.

Sasuke is still very young, like 16 to 17 years old. So it doesn't make sense in his current age for him to achieve something like the old days EMS Madara. Madara was a legend, the leader of the Uchiha Clan. EMS Sasuke < the old days EMS Madara. Sasuke is a genius but still not as genius as Itachi, let alone someone like Madara.

Feel free to give your opinions. I might be wrong somewhere too.

FINAL AND ULTIMATE UPDATE:
Rather than denying, I am now more inclined towards saying Sasuke got a PS, but not on Madara's level.

You don't need to call people that didn't agree with what you believe dumb or stupid. And I am not a Sasuke hater. Don't just throw accusations and easily labeled people dumb or stupid. You made me sad.

OKAY. Right now, after reading through arguments in replies especially from

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I am more towards believing that Sasuke indeed had PS but not on Madara's level. It is just that I am a confused about the terms and what characteristics of Susanoo that make it "perfect".

I agree that I am indeed "dumb" in a sense. As I am not like some of you especially the veterans who investigated really deeply and had participated a lot in forum discussions. And I didn't really go around in the forum before, so I have missed many debates and discussions. I am just starting to be a little more active in the forum just recently. And I am relatively new too.

So, I repeat again, I am now inclined towards saying Sasuke got a PS, but not on Madara's level. Hope you are happy with it now.

 

[rollin]

it's the only version of susano'o that you stand in the diamond on the forehead

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. You can clearly see that Madara's Perfect Susano'o's scales matches with Sasuke's

2. The faces are identical

3. Sasuke commented that it is the same thing that Madara did to Kurama at the VOTE, and Hashirama's reaction to it supports that.

4. Perfect Susano'o is the only Susano'o with a jewel that has the caster in it. Sasuke's had the same thing.

5. Kurama's chakra can only heighten your current level, not take you to a new level, therefore, Sasuke has PS on his own.

6. When Madara pulled out Perfect Susano'o, Tsunade commented that Hashirama must have fought against it, and Madara's words to her immediately after supports this.

 

[slaton02]

The giant samurai susanoo madara used vs the gokage is PS. Sasuke hasn't shown that IMO he don't have PS.

 

[The Necromancer]

1. You can clearly see that Madara's Perfect Susano'o's scales matches with Sasuke's

2. The faces are identical

3. Sasuke commented that it is the same thing that Madara did to Kurama at the VOTE, and Hashirama's reaction to it supports that.

4. Perfect Susano'o is the only Susano'o with a jewel that has the caster in it. Sasuke's had the same thing.

5. Kurama's chakra can only heighten your current level, not take you to a new level, therefore, Sasuke has PS on his own.

6. When Madara pulled out Perfect Susano'o, Tsunade commented that Hashirama must have fought against it, and Madara's words to her immediately after supports this.

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[Dark Link]

That quite interesting but I think that the appearance only changed because they were wrapping it instead of making it stand

 

[TrollKing]

It's not 100% perfect, its semi perfect like 80%. And kishi is showing its possible for sasuke to have perfect susanoo especially achieving these with little to no practice. He's a genius like madara, probably more base on all in manga. Their ps definitely comparable

 

[Sir Blades]

It doesnt look like a PS susano'o, but i guess it is.

 

[The Necromancer]

It doesnt look like a PS susano'o, but i guess it is.

How does it not?

 

[The Rower]

The BIG Samurai PS is huge. Sasuke doesn't have that yet. at least not that big.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Yea he has it

 

[mohdzarif]

1. You can clearly see that Madara's Perfect Susano'o's scales matches with Sasuke's

2. The faces are identical

3. Sasuke commented that it is the same thing that Madara did to Kurama at the VOTE, and Hashirama's reaction to it supports that.

4. Perfect Susano'o is the only Susano'o with a jewel that has the caster in it. Sasuke's had the same thing.

5. Kurama's chakra can only heighten your current level, not take you to a new level, therefore, Sasuke has PS on his own.

6. When Madara pulled out Perfect Susano'o, Tsunade commented that Hashirama must have fought against it, and Madara's words to her immediately after supports this.

1. Sasuke's scales were all over the body. This is one of the difference aside from having only 2 hands.
2. Agree. Pretty much the same.
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. I'm not sure
6. That maybe true, but I doubt it as his PS didn't look like that in their old fight. Compare 1st image and 3rd image.

But still you see, it doesn't look exactly the same as Madara's PS in the 1st image. It has scales all over his body and only has 2 arms, the same as the old days Madara's Susanoo.

Update: The old days Madara's Susanoo had 4 hands too after I rechecked.

 

[Da Best Ever]

you said u think only an uchiha at edo madara's level can have perfect susano...then by that logic u failed your thread and your own ability to comprehend because ems madara had perfect susano and edo madara is above ems madara...#Ridiculousness

 

[TrollKing]

The giant samurai susanoo madara used vs the gokage is PS. Sasuke hasn't shown that IMO he don't have PS.

Sasuke only 16-17 like op said. And with almost no practice. I can guarantee he will achieve perfect or even much better after one or two more try. Kishi told me that

 

[mohdzarif]

you said u think only an uchiha at edo madara's level can have perfect susano...then by that logic u failed your thread and your own ability to comprehend because ems madara had perfect susano and edo madara is above ems madara...#Ridiculousness

I provided a picture to show that the old days Madara's Susanoo didn't look like the PS that he used when he fought Gokage. Did you see the pics.

The manga didn't show a PS like in the fight with Gokage when Madara was fighting Hashirama. And is your reply an insult?

 

[Mad Daz]

Its funny how most people saying sasukes PS is the same as madaras never acknowledge the huge extra arms holding ps swords that madaras version has on its back.

Oh ya but the diamond on the forehead proves its PS right

 

[Da Best Ever]

The BIG Samurai PS is huge. Sasuke doesn't have that yet. at least not that big.

the size only reflects the users chakra amount, which is why madara's is huge and sasuke's isnt...

 

[Da Best Ever]

I provided a picture to show that the old days Madara's Susanoo didn't look like the PS that he used when he fought Gokage. Did you see the pics.

The manga didn't show a PS like in the fight with Gokage when Madara was fighting Hashirama. And is your reply an insult?

my reply isnt an insult because u didnt insult me so therefor i have no reason to talk trash to u...

also regardless of a scan u showed, edo madara when fighting the gokage never acknoledged the ps as a new power up in addition to the ones he got from kabuto, in fact edo madara told the gokage that anyone who sees the perfect susano dies, which in other words means i have used it before...

 

[TrollKing]

the size only reflects the users chakra amount, which is why madara's is huge and sasuke's isnt...

So that means both sasuke and madara's chakara is on biju level??

 

[Yin Susanoo]

IMO I think Sasuke susanoo is more stabilised due to it being smaller and a more smoothness around the head area (comparing the susanoo that rapped over kurama)