Sasuke's Powers Unfair?

[Last Arcanum]

Itachi planned the fight in a way to give maximum advatage to Sasuke and awaken his MS power, get rid of Oro's mark and now he got EMS too.

Itachi did not want Sasuke to awaken Mangekyou and is something a lot of people either tend to forget for are confused with due to a mistranslation. Tensha Fuuin was the only thing Itachi had intended to have transfered upon his death as a fail safe measure to prevent a meeting between Sasuke and Madara. He feared the truth being leaked out, which only resulted in his brother becoming the next “Nagato” / him awakening Mangekyou. If the truth never was never revealed then Sasuke wouldn’t have been able to attain Mangekyou.

Another thing readers should keep in mind is that Sasuke has had doubts about Madara and has been skeptical. I don’t think it would be far off to claim that Sasuke may have a hidden agenda on Madara and may attempt to betray him at some point in time.

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These several pages should prove some of what I’ve said regarding his skepticism. Danzou admitting the truth gave Sasuke more reason to stick on Madara’s side and continue to align himself with him, at least for the meantime. If he doesn’t attempt to betray Madara in the near future then I would say that it was because of this revelation.

 

[Avani]

Itachi did not want Sasuke to awaken Mangekyou and is something a lot of people either tend to forget for are confused with due to a mistranslation. Tensha Fuuin was the only thing Itachi had intended to have transfered upon his death as a fail safe measure to prevent a meeting between Sasuke and Madara. He feared the truth being leaked out, which only resulted in his brother becoming the next “Nagato” / him awakening Mangekyou. If the truth never was never revealed then Sasuke wouldn’t have been able to attain Mangekyou.
Another thing readers should keep in mind is that Sasuke has had doubts about Madara and has been skeptical. I don’t think it would be far off to claim that Sasuke may have a hidden agenda on Madara and may attempt to betray him at some point in time.

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These several pages should prove some of what I’ve said regarding his skepticism. Danzou admitting the truth gave Sasuke more reason to stick on Madara’s side and continue to align himself with him, at least for the meantime. If he doesn’t attempt to betray Madara in the near future then I would say that it was because of this revelation.

What mistranslation? provide links- you have nothing to support your theory of mistranslation accept a bare statement, which seems like result of wishful thinking rather than a fact at the moment. There is nothing that indicates that Itachi did not want Sasuke to awaken MS- he didn't need to die in front of him in the first place otherwise - he should have known that under circumstances 99.99% chance were that Sasuke would awaken his MS. He could have passed on the fail safe Amtatrasu to Sasuke just like he shared his power to Naruto and left.

I agree that itachi was afraid that Sasuke would be used as the next Nagato and that's why he seeked Naruto and tried to warn Sasuke too - in a way. and also I give Sasuke credit that he tried to confirm the facts from Danzou.

That's the thing about Madara- Best lies always have some truth in it and Madara understands it and uses it to manipulate.

I can see that you doubt Sasuke's exact intention and hope that he is using Madara in his own turn.. Fine by me and it will be funny if madara is fooled. thouugh I think in such a case Itachi's gift to Naruto plot of Kishi would be wasted or Kishi might have something else in mind with it.. whatever lets wait for the manga and see...

 

[PTR]

Well, Naruto has now the control of 9 tails chakra and sage mode so if Sasuke din't upgrade to E.M.S. he would be dead meat for sure.Does E.M.S. give any special jutsu to the user?

 

[Last Arcanum]

What mistranslation? provide links- you have nothing to support your theory of mistranslation accept a bare statement, which seems like result of wishful thinking rather than a fact at the moment. There is nothing that indicates that Itachi did not want Sasuke to awaken MS- he didn't need to die in front of him in the first place otherwise - he should have known that under circumstances 99.99% chance were that Sasuke would awaken his MS.

Itachi may have claimed he wanted Sasuke to attain MS after the massacre came to a close but this was all part of an image he wanted his younger brother to see him by, an illusion of sorts. He had even shed a tear when Sasuke initially awoke his sharingan and had managed to knock off his forehead protector. During the time Sasuke was unaware of the truth about his brother he carried feelings of hatred toward him which wouldn't grant him MS as the requirement to achieve it is death of the person closest to them which would in turn make them grieve, and in this grief MS is formed. This was shown when Sasuke had learned the truth from Madara and had entered a state of immense grief, he was seen next with his own newly acquired Mangekyou.

Itachi had yearned for Sasuke to seek vengeance on him and in doing so become a hero to the eyes the village / cleansing the clan's dirtied name. If Madara would have never confronted Sasuke then there wouldn't have been any other way Sasuke could've learned the truth about his brother / regain the previous feelings he had held in his early childhood. Learning the truth made Itachi the closest person to him once again, fulfilling the requirements. This explains why he didn't get Mangekyou immediately after Itachi's death and instead was seen with it after the truth was revealed.

The mistranslation I was making reference to was the one Madara claimed "Itachi somehow transfered all his eye powers into you" and the my post below touches on that very subject, feel free to take a look.

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[Avani]

Itachi may have claimed he wanted Sasuke to attain MS after the massacre came to a close but this was all part of an image he wanted his younger brother to see him by, an illusion of sorts. He had even shed a tear when Sasuke initially awoke his sharingan and had managed to knock off his forehead protector. During the time Sasuke was unaware of the truth about his brother he carried feelings of hatred toward him which wouldn't grant him MS as the requirement to achieve it is death of the person closest to them which would in turn make them grieve, and in this grief MS is formed. This was shown when Sasuke had learned the truth from Madara and had entered a state of immense grief, he was seen next with his own newly acquired Mangekyou.

Itachi had yearned for Sasuke to seek vengeance on him and in doing so become a hero to the eyes the village / cleansing the clan's dirtied name. If Madara would have never confronted Sasuke then there wouldn't have been any other way Sasuke could've learned the truth about his brother / regain the previous feelings he had held in his early childhood. Learning the truth made Itachi the closest person to him once again, fulfilling the requirements. This explains why he didn't get Mangekyou immediately after Itachi's death and instead was seen with it after the truth was revealed.

The mistranslation I was making reference to was the one Madara claimed "Itachi somehow transfered all his eye powers into you" and the my post below touches on that very subject, feel free to take a look.

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You have misinterpretated that post and that translation error! U_U

It's not that Itachi didn't want Sasuke to activate MS- He really planned things out in a way that it would- Madara confirmed it.

that translation error refers to a different controvercy- some people believed that all powers of Sasuke's MS were gifted by Itachi- just like that based on one version. and it was clarified that Itachi only transfered one time Amtarasu in Sasuke's eye to warn him or try to take out Madara if lucky and save Sasuke etc and not all eye powrs of himself. and that Sasuke's MS abilities were his own.

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

Itachi was joined ambu at age 11... manga 222.. shisui dies...Sasuke has joined the academi. massacre didn't take place till he was made ambu captain that was at the age of 13 (kakashi tells kurenai when Itachi returned to konoha after 3-4 years). so the time gap is certainly more than 6 months.

I checked out chapter 222 and the only statement of relevance was one of the clansman who questioned Itachi stating "within half a year of your entrance into the ANBU" in other words there is no indication of Itachi joining ANBU at age eleven at all in the entire chapter except for that statement. Can you provide me the link to the manga chapter where it states he was 11 when joining ANBU?

Well, Naruto has now the control of 9 tails chakra and sage mode so if Sasuke din't upgrade to E.M.S. he would be dead meat for sure.Does E.M.S. give any special jutsu to the user?

As far as we know, Eien no Mangekyou changes form fusing the user’s original Mangekyou with the previous user’s Mangekyou, it permanently restores the eyesight lost through usage of Mangekyou and grants the user greater power (the extent to which no one knows).


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So I probably am not the first person to ask this question but does anyone else think its crap how Sasuke's powers are just unfair? I mean I could go on and on but the long, short of it is, he developed Sharingan, and the initial powers of the Sharingan are vague at best, the consensus being "they have the power to see the flow of chakra" so basically every time Sasuke's Sharingan upgrade in part 1, he gets sort of an unexplainable boost in power (strength, speed etc) just because of his eyes. But then in part two it gets even more ridiculous with the Mangekyo Sharingan. I mean, I'm not disputing that Sasuke, shouldn't be powerful at all but it seems like half the time its the involuntary actions of his eyes that give him his skill.

The Sharingan must initially be awakened through some sort of stress/emotional state. The user must train themselves in order for their Sharingan to aquire up to three tomoes in which invokes heightened abilities with each gained tomoe. In other words, it is not like the user is gifted with something godly and does not have to show any work for it. The user must be skillful in order for whatever Mangekyou technique used to be successful as shown with Sasuke’s Tsukuyomi in which is not anywhere near Itachi’s. In other words, if he trains/through means of battle experience may he master it.

I mean for example, I just watched episode 209

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and Danzo TOTALLY had the drop on him at some point, I mean the look in Sasuke's eyes was like "holy shit I am so about to die" (I'm not a Danzo fan or anything but still) and through NO action or intent of his own Susanoo just protects him.

It isn’t as simple to state "intent of his own Susanoo just protects him" as Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the user's chakra. In other words, it depends on the user’s chakra supply.

I mean its a little ridiculous, with Itachi at least we had some boundaries, he would get tired after using both Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu (spelling?) in the same day and Susano'o was his final trump card and itachi was vomiting blood because it took such a toll on his but Sasuke just does it any time he's in a bit of a bind. I mean I guess it just irks me to see Naruto work his ass for for 400 and some episodes and then FINALLY gets somewhat strong (except he still usually gets his ass kicked when it comes to anything but raw strength and power) but Sasuke matches every step and then some; by what appears to be genetic luck. :flaw:

I know i rambled a bit but I'm curious about how people feel about this.

Itachi was ill and thus had he not been he would have used Susanoo in a more powerful/cunning fashion compared to Sasuke. It is not genetic luck, excluding Eien no Mangekyou/Ten no Juin he has either trained, met some sort of requirement and not to mention that there are some implications that during the elapsed time Taka took their breaks (after Deidara’s death/Kirabi capture arc); he could have easily used that time for training/gaining knowledge of his doujutsu. However, since Sasuke is not the main protagonist is seems as though Kishi skips any sort of training arc to better pace up Sasuke arcs.​

 

[Avani]

I checked out chapter 222 and the only statement of relevance was one of the clansman who questioned Itachi stating "within half a year of your entrance into the ANBU" in other words there is no indication of Itachi joining ANBU at age eleven at all in the entire chapter except for that statement. Can you provide me the link to the manga chapter where it states he was 11 when joining ANBU?

You better google it.. U_U

Seriously Manga doesn't gives a direct time line- you will have to calculate it in bits from here and there and it will teke too long to collect all the pages. mostly from Sasuke's flsh backs. some comments from Kakshi and Kisame etc. Random comment made by the shop owner uchiha couple the day clan was massacred etc... comparing the both brothers acheivements at the same age...

Sasuke was admitted to the acedemi the same day itachi was accepted in Ambu. Itachi had passed the acdemi at the age of 7 in just one year. Sasuke got his first semester report and later on his father and Itachi were arguing- Itachi was saying that he had a mission to do and cann't attend the clan meeting. Father asked what and Itachi refused to tell saying he cannot- later we learnt Shisui also missed that meeting and ended up dead (manga 221....)

that sets the age of Itachi at the time of shisui's death, when he ruturned to konoha Kisame says it's been 3 years... kakshi tells Kurenai beware this guy was ambu captain at age 13 and so on...

 

[Wolfrage]

stupid i mean the tittle of the thread itself its not stupid tho i could understand the creator of this thread and he/she wants opinings but the thing is some people take it to the butt and act as if naruto universe were real people its pathetic they get all butt hurt because someone says something bad about their favorite character and its dumb they need to get a life no offence for those who read this msg but the truth hurts lol but over all the tread became terrible because of the people bashing each other

Yeah I honestly didn't mean for it to turn out like this, in retrospect the title of the post could've been better, I just didn't plan for this topic to be analyzed to this extent. I was just watching one of the episodes last month when it came out and I was seeing Sasuke take on the Raikage basically singlehandedly and managed to get one of his arms in the process and i was like , combining that with the fact that Naruto had been bowing and crying like a baby to the Raikage like hours before all of this and I was just curious if people saw how ridiculous that whole situation was. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not really a Sasuke fan but I actually think he's a pretty awesome character, he was probably in my top 7 before he lost his mind a little (I still believe there's hope tho). Anyway, it just seemed like Sasuke's powers were so far past Naruto that it SEEMED unfair, sorry to piss so many people off.

 

[WhyShouldIBecomeASage]

Naruto is boring now. The sharingan has become ridiculous! Everything about the sharingan is awful now.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Yeah I honestly didn't mean for it to turn out like this, in retrospect the title of the post could've been better, I just didn't plan for this topic to be analyzed to this extent. I was just watching one of the episodes last month when it came out and I was seeing Sasuke take on the Raikage basically singlehandedly and managed to get one of his arms in the process and i was like , combining that with the fact that Naruto had been bowing and crying like a baby to the Raikage like hours before all of this and I was just curious if people saw how ridiculous that whole situation was. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not really a Sasuke fan but I actually think he's a pretty awesome character, he was probably in my top 7 before he lost his mind a little (I still believe there's hope tho). Anyway, it just seemed like Sasuke's powers were so far past Naruto that it SEEMED unfair, sorry to piss so many people off.

eh let those people be they won't understand and i do not think sasuke's powers are unfair i personalty think naruto is stronger than sasuke but naruto doesn't realize it tho

 

[Avani]

Yeah I honestly didn't mean for it to turn out like this, in retrospect the title of the post could've been better, I just didn't plan for this topic to be analyzed to this extent. I was just watching one of the episodes last month when it came out and I was seeing Sasuke take on the Raikage basically singlehandedly and managed to get one of his arms in the process and i was like , combining that with the fact that Naruto had been bowing and crying like a baby to the Raikage like hours before all of this and I was just curious if people saw how ridiculous that whole situation was. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not really a Sasuke fan but I actually think he's a pretty awesome character, he was probably in my top 7 before he lost his mind a little (I still believe there's hope tho). Anyway, it just seemed like Sasuke's powers were so far past Naruto that it SEEMED unfair, sorry to piss so many people off.

Don't worry- It happens even with best of intentions sometimes.And most flame posts were basically irrational.. don't worry about it. Sincere posts whether is support or against are in here too and and I enjoyed the disscussion when the debaters were good.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Don't worry- It happens even with best of intentions sometimes.And most flame posts were basically irrational.. don't worry about it. Sincere posts whether is support or against are in here too and and I enjoyed the disscussion when the debaters were good.

u were bashing shadowcrow lol u and onestepahead where against him

 

[Avani]

u were bashing shadowcrow lol u and onestepahead where against him

???

Exactly when and where?

 

[PositiveEmotions]

???

Exactly when and where?

can't remember what thread but i remember u guys were trying to prove him a point can't remember that either tho u can ask onestepahead he might remember

 

[Avani]

can't remember what thread but i remember u guys were trying to prove him a point can't remember that either tho u can ask onestepahead he might remember

I don't know what you define as bashing but I hardly bash anyone ever.. you will know when I do... believe it. As for shadowcrow last time I remember him he +ve repped me.

 

[Hexuze]

Naruto has lost a combined 3/3 battles v. Sasuke.

So its obv. that hes gunna win the last one, cause I'm pretty sure at the end of Naruto, they won't make him loose ALL of his battles to sas- G.A.Y

 

[Hyperion]

So its obv. that hes gunna win the last one, cause I'm pretty sure at the end of Naruto, they won't make him loose ALL of his battles to sas- G.A.Y

Or some Harry Pothead shit happens.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

I don't know what you define as bashing but I hardly bash anyone ever.. you will know when I do... believe it. As for shadowcrow last time I remember him he +ve repped me.

maybe u proved him wrong lol people never rep me oh welll

 

[Rokusho..]

Right . . . I think now tht Naruto has full control over th Kyuubi's chakra , he can now merge with pa and use Hermit Mode . Sasuke didn't exactly do any training for his powers at all . Let's use his Mangekyo Sharingan and his cursed seal as an example , I don't remember him having to train for months just to be able to get his Mangekyo Sharingan , his cursed seal was also given to him by Orochimaru . On th other hand , Naruto's Kyuubi powers were attained with Minato's and Kushina's death , he actually did have training to use Sage Mode . At least Sasuke don't have people hunting his ass down like wht Naruto had to go through and in this case , it's Akatsuki .

 

[LeafSpirit 20]

I find it more unfair how he got his power from orochimarus bite mark, and itachis powers, but if we are talking about unfair powers, then narutos powers are unfair too, since naruto is so powerfull mostly because of nine tails..