Sasuke's logic ( Is everyone in naruto a b****)

[bobonosis]

awww forget this shit

 

[EYES OF ITACHI]

agreed

 

[EternalStudent]

I understand what OP is saying but you're being more of a patriot than a saint. I would consider Naruto a saint in this series as would i Jariya (in his ideals) just because things are the way they are, doesnt mean they are simply to be abided by obediently.
Sasuke's ideals are needed for the story to continue, and i somewhat "understand" his logic (albeit he's just a lost cause at this point). By your take on things, Naruto is suppose to be a gungho leaf ninja out to kill Sasuke and anyone else but thats not his deal...good convo though

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

At the moment his clan was murdered by his own brother (whom he looked up to and admired) he was just a kid. You expect a kid to understand why his clan was slaughtered? Yes, he was training to be a shinobi but at that moment he was still a kid.
Plus even though the Council was kind of justified to stop the Uchiha's from taking over the village, that didn't mean they had to kill the whole clan. Innocent children, women and even men were slaughtered; most of them didn't even knew about the plan to attack Konoha. You think that's fair? You think that a village is allowed to kill innocent people just to stop a few of their clan?
It would have been fair if they had stopped the ones who planned to take over the town. They could have been killed. But they had no reason to kill the innocent clan members.
So sorry but I don't agree with you. You can't expect of a child, who has just lost everyone in his clan by the hands of his own brother, to understand why they were killed. That's asking too much. And in this case, while Sasuke should have respected Itachi's wish to not attack Konoha, I can understand why he still wants revenge.
Of course killing everyone in the village is not justified, but the council just has to accept that they can't control everything *shrugs* They think they can get away with murdering a whole clan, with a lot of innocent people in it. They should have expected that Sasuke would want revenge *shrugs*
Question is if Sasuke will get his revenge or Naruto gets him first and convinces him to not do it

The Uchiha were a very small clan, they didn't kill any innocent women and children!, they all knew the plan and had a united front, Sasuke was the only child and the only one who didn't know what was going on! It's too bad the Uchiha had to go but they were clearly in the wrong... Sasuke has very poor footing for his vengefullness!!

 

[Anorien16]

According to what I remember from the manga, I may be wrong. The Uchihas started to be treated as second rate citizens. Moved to the borderparts of the village and then spied on, so they simply retaliated. To simplify, in Pein´s words, EVERYTHING IS MEANINGLESS UNDER OVERWHELMING POWER. Konoha had the upper hand so it did what it needed to do for self-preservation. In the real world that overwhelming power is usually the country with the most influence, strength and control. I see your point but since you do realize the difference between a national act and an individual act, you should be able to see Sasuke´s reasoning. He is no longer a soldier, he is a mercenary.

Well do u remember why the uchiha were suspected? Cos Madara Uchiha attacked Hashirama, thats why it was some of the top knots was suspicious. If u also remember, Hizune settled the matter by creating the konoha police force which comprised only of the uchiha (But danzo kept an eye on their activities, plus being spied, is not a valid reason for a coup cos u wldnt know if u were being spied), the were the protector of the konoha citizens and they were turning against those they were supposed to protect. Also ONLY the danzo and the council treated the uchiha bad, did u see anything in the civillian attitude that insulted the uchiha in any way? No, they all loved and respected them.

Also most of u people seem to need to be reminded that, sasuke's right to vengence extends only to Danzo, elders and the ROOT. Not the entire village.
Also sasuke is not even a mercenary anymore, he is a wanted criminal now as attempted kidnap and eventual murder of Bee, seen consorting with Akatusuki, killing samurai gaurds, and attacking kages. Killing danzo does not count as danzo himself was on the run and considered a criminal for attemping to sabotage the summit and resisting arrest.

 

[paul234]

again i ask this question what did the uchihas want power(hokage title) right so what prevented the village from giving it to them to enable peace continue instead of marginalizing them and then expecting them to accept it after all u cannot say that jiraiya who they wanted to be the fifth or kakashi had more will of fire or passion for the village compared to itachi or shishu, and besides those who say that sasuke is in the wrong u all simply do not get it no one in their right minds would stay peacefully in a village that is responsible for the losses in their life this is the reason why itachi never wanted sasuke to find out about what he did and seriously i would have been a shocked if after hearing the story sasuke went back

 

[soulreaper11]

well that depends if you believe in the greater good by killing these people we will achieve peace or that one person is in the way of our goals so kill him.That's is why itachi did it so a war would not start and innocent people getting involved would die.While that choice is made on itachi side remember he matured faster than sasuke.still sasuke is still a child by age 17 or 18 not only that but different people react in different ways all that show is that he loved his family and only a heartless person or a bitch would not give a damn if their village plotted and killed his family.

 

[itachisagenuis]

it's because people could understand what sasuke did until he decided to kill every citizen of konoha. until then his actions were more or less reasonable, which is why people now are trying to find reasons for his doings. nevertheless, his current reasoning is a big plothole and doesnt make sense at all.

yep and wanting to justify his actions despite that they dont make sense at all is sort of fanboyish

 

[Raphmaster14]

I would feel bad for Sasuke, getting your whole family killed in front him by his older brother, then waste he whole life training to kill said older brother and once you do, you learn that your supposed evil older brother was ordered to kill your family by the very village that you grew up to protect (Except Sasuke betrayed them) That'll mess anyone one.

 

[MuerteMiAmigo]

lawl

 

[Anorien16]

again i ask this question what did the uchihas want power(hokage title) right so what prevented the village from giving it to them to enable peace continue instead of marginalizing them and then expecting them to accept it after all u cannot say that jiraiya who they wanted to be the fifth or kakashi had more will of fire or passion for the village compared to itachi or shishu, and besides those who say that sasuke is in the wrong u all simply do not get it no one in their right minds would stay peacefully in a village that is responsible for the losses in their life this is the reason why itachi never wanted sasuke to find out about what he did and seriously i would have been a shocked if after hearing the story sasuke went back

Well if uchiha wants the kage title they are going to just kill off the current kage and hand over the title? They wld have to perticipate when there was an election after the kage died. Also if u remember, Hizune formed the Konoha police force which included only uchiha's and effectively gave them control of konoha law and order in their hands. Also do try to remember the council ppl were scum and uchiha-phobic, so they are the source of all the trouble. Sasuke can kill them off anytime or better have them publicly humilated after making them confess and then execute them. But what did the other ppl of konoha do?

 

[Anorien16]

I would feel bad for Sasuke, getting your whole family killed in front him by his older brother, then waste he whole life training to kill said older brother and once you do, you learn that your supposed evil older brother was ordered to kill your family by the very village that you grew up to protect (Except Sasuke betrayed them) That'll mess anyone one.

Nicely put, sasuke is in fact a victim and a kind of a tragic hero, all he did till he killed itachi was good works, but after that he joined akatusuki, attaked bee and the summit he became a criminal. Even that is forgiveable as he did not do much lasting damage (Raikage wld deny that but he DID lose an arm) then again his drive to kill innocents of konoha is understandable but not justified (u wld mad to justify mass murder). The elder deserve their punishment but not others. Do u think EVERYONE in konoha deserves to die?
Also dont say its becos he loves Itachi, if he really loved itachi he wld have listened to him and cared about his hapiness, but no sasuke is more in love with the idea of vengence cos its all the poor boy have known all his life and cant let go of it.
Its such a waste to see so much talent to go down the darkness.

 

[girya]

what you say sounds good on paper... but its difficult to let go when you are really angry... all logic fails when you feel betrayed.. (in short also see the emotional side!)

i know u will say shinobi has to set aside this but he is a human after all.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

The Uchiha were a very small clan, they didn't kill any innocent women and children!, they all knew the plan and had a united front, Sasuke was the only child and the only one who didn't know what was going on! It's too bad the Uchiha had to go but they were clearly in the wrong... Sasuke has very poor footing for his vengefullness!!

A very small clan? Where on earth did you get that from? They were the police force of the village, do you really think they would have been that if they were a small clan? And please show me the pages where it's stated that every Uchiha knew of the plan. You seem to forget that not every Uchiha was a shinobi, and I don't think they would have all agreed on the plan. And I seriously doubt Sasuke was only child Do you think that the other families didn't get children? *shakes head* Poor footing for his vengefullness? Yes, because it's so abnormal to want to take revenge on the ones who killed your entire clan. *rolls eyes* Again I'm not agreeing with him, but I understand why he would want that.

yep and wanting to justify his actions despite that they dont make sense at all is sort of fanboyish

Did you read all the comments? The ones, including me, who are explaining Sasuke's actions aren't justifying it. We explain why he reacts that way, but in no way do we justify his actions. Again understanding something and agreeing with something is something entirely different.
If you have read all the comments, you would actually see that most of them make sense. But it's not our fault that you rather despise Sasuke than try to understand why he reacts that way.
I'm not a fangirl of him, but a fan. There's still a difference. I use logic and manga facts to defend him.

 

[Anorien16]

its funny, i see everyone talking about the poor innocents of konoha. how they had nothing to do with anything. but what about the little kids that were probably killed in the uchiha massacre. what about that old lady that was sweeping the floor. i havent heard anyone say a word about them.

How funny ppl dont notice when other ppl say that Danzo, The elders and the ROOT deserve to be killed (cos of their crimes) by sasuke as it his right to vengeance.

Also, just like the uchiha had lil children and old men, konoha has many more of them too. U cry when when the uchiha innocents were murdered but not when the konoha innocents will be murdered.
Oh i forgot its revenge right? Sasuke better be careful when he tries to massacre a whole village, cos even if one child survives, he will have to face his revenge. Buts its better that way no? A whole village wiped off for one person, as he had right to kill even those born after the uchiha massacre. At least nagato had lil sense and repented his actions. (His entire TOWN was wiped off and his parents, best friend murdered b4 him)

 

[paul234]

Well if uchiha wants the kage title they are going to just kill off the current kage and hand over the title? They wld have to perticipate when there was an election after the kage died. Also if u remember, Hizune formed the Konoha police force which included only uchiha's and effectively gave them control of konoha law and order in their hands. Also do try to remember the council ppl were scum and uchiha-phobic, so they are the source of all the trouble. Sasuke can kill them off anytime or better have them publicly humilated after making them confess and then execute them. But what did the other ppl of konoha do?

its also partly hirunzen's fault seeing as how he would have to decide the next kage but instead of choosing shishu who was probably the best choice for the position he waited for one of his own (jiraiya) who was no where to be found and like i said before from what we know about both shishu and itachi it turns out they both probably deserved the hokage position so why did they not get it why wait for jiraiya all this just shows that truly the uchihas where being marginalized and please do not give me that excuse of konoha police crap imagine u want to be the president but get drafted as the state security police there is no way u accept.

 

[Uchiha AvengerX]

This is ridiculous i understand why sasuke is upset (just like the countless other shinobi how have lost so much ) but this is getting utterly ridiculous .........Ninjas = Soldiers .
If you are not ready for the sacrifice and burden of being one them dont join

Example = Me , joining the army then crying after they hand me a top secret mission to kill someone i know or love , if you dont want it then dont join ,
There is no law that states you have to be a shinobi or join the anbu etc ... itachi signed up , which meant he was prepared and knew full well that decision like that come in the field of being a shinobi


Sasuke needs to get his brain out the story books and live real life

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Example if a soldier in a army today behaves like sasuke , he would have been eliminated so loooooong ago and dont even start with naruto..:sy:

Any way its a fictional character living in a fictional world with a fictional story but sometimes just reading it pisses me off

sasuke only joined to get stronger and kill his brother. It was Itachi that joined first and maybe sasuke is upset Because he joined? cause ur basically sayin sasuke wanted itachi 2 join

 

[Anorien16]

what you say sounds good on paper... but its difficult to let go when you are really angry... all logic fails when you feel betrayed.. (in short also see the emotional side!)

i know u will say shinobi has to set aside this but he is a human after all.

So u JUSTIFY sasuke killing everyone in the village?
When a dog goes mad and starts biting everyone, u dont stop it cos its mad?
Plus what is ur OFF-PAPAER experience?

 

[Sasunarufan13]

So u JUSTIFY sasuke killing everyone in the village?
When a dog goes mad and starts biting everyone, u dont stop it cos its mad?
Plus what is ur OFF-PAPAER experience?

No, I think he's trying to say that Sasuke's actions are understandable if you look at what he has been through. Of course him wanting to kill off the entire village can't be justified at all, but it's understandable when you take into account that he probably lives by the saying 'An eye for an eye'.

 

[Anorien16]

its also partly hirunzen's fault seeing as how he would have to decide the next kage but instead of choosing shishu who was probably the best choice for the position he waited for one of his own (jiraiya) who was no where to be found and like i said before from what we know about both shishu and itachi it turns out they both probably deserved the hokage position so why did they not get it why wait for jiraiya all this just shows that truly the uchihas where being marginalized and please do not give me that excuse of konoha police crap imagine u want to be the president but get drafted as the state security police there is no way u accept.

Ok ur a dumba$$ now, get ur timeline right first, when tobi attacked konoha in fourth's reign (Yes Minato was hokage then and about 20), itachi was about 6-7 and so was shisui> So u say a 6-7 year old wld have to be chosen as Hokage? Also by the time Hizune died, uchiha were massacared (itachi was about 14-15 then) with with itachi fled and shisui died, so there was no chance. So get ur history lessons first b4 u post.