Sasuke's logic ( Is everyone in naruto a b****)

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One little question: Is the uchiha clan famous for lieing low and forgetting about revenge?
If they wanted peace why wld every shinobi among them decide to fight in the first place and reject offers of peace? (read the fifth point i added later)
Also what if they didnt lie low and DID turn out like sasuke? Even One person from the clan wld cause the death of millions if he turned for revenge. Wld u risk that?
You have leaders and followers, even among the Uchihas. Take away the leaders who cause the riot and either they lay low again or they cause another riot. Point is that you can't predict something like that. Even we can't assume something like that because we don't know what the personalities of the other Uchiha members was.
And remember also that not every Uchiha awakened the Sharingan, much less the later stages of it. So if there were more non Sharingan left than Sharingan possessers, I think they would go for the smart move and lay low. Maybe they would try to take over later again, maybe not.
But in fact everything was started in the first place by Konoha itself when they banished the Uchihas to the outskirts and put surveillance on them. The Uchihas reacted to that distrust in such a way because they are a prideful clan. Maybe if Konoha would have showed them a bit more trust, a lot of problems could have avoided.
 

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You are an idiot. Sasuke himself never signed up as a shinobi at the time so he has the right to complain about what the shinobi do u dumbass. It was itachi who was signed up as a shinobi and accepted what they wanted him to do. Do you see Itachi complaining and wanting revenge? Sasuke has every right to avenge his clan because he was a small child with no shinobi ties and lost his entire clan because of the selfishness of konoha. And the real reason of hte uchiha clan massacre wasnt because of the Coup. It was because danzo wanted their sharingan and konoha considered the power of the uchiha a threat. Sasuke deserves to follow the path of revenge to kill the selfish elders who make their shinobi kill entire clans. Sasuke wasnt signed up as a shinobi so your entire logic is flawed. he was a small child when the shinobi killed his clan. therefore, he has every right to complain about their actions
Trust me this is far from a complaint im stating facts

I wouldn't go join a swim club and cry when im asked to swim
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jump into a ring and look for revenge if i got punched

Sasuke's logic is the definition of a retard and because of mentalities like his , shared by actual living people thatts why this world can't move forward
 

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You have leaders and followers, even among the Uchihas. Take away the leaders who cause the riot and either they lay low again or they cause another riot. Point is that you can't predict something like that. Even we can't assume something like that because we don't know what the personalities of the other Uchiha members was.
And remember also that not every Uchiha awakened the Sharingan, much less the later stages of it. So if there were more non Sharingan left than Sharingan possessers, I think they would go for the smart move and lay low. Maybe they would try to take over later again, maybe not.
But in fact everything was started in the first place by Konoha itself when they banished the Uchihas to the outskirts and put surveillance on them. The Uchihas reacted to that distrust in such a way because they are a prideful clan. Maybe if Konoha would have showed them a bit more trust, a lot of problems could have avoided.
Blame danzo for that, danzo made a mess of things, made a bigger mess to clear that up and now there is a bigger mess bcos of that mess.
Also Hizune tried to calm things down and offer them respect and power (Forming Uchiha police force practically gave the uchiha free reighn over konoha law and order) but they didnt listen. So danzo seeing a future threat thought to eliminate it completely and take no chances.
Also dont u think the family of the punished leaders wld want revenge? (As u said they were proud)
 

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You are an idiot. Sasuke himself never signed up as a shinobi at the time so he has the right to complain about what the shinobi do u dumbass. It was itachi who was signed up as a shinobi and accepted what they wanted him to do. Do you see Itachi complaining and wanting revenge? Sasuke has every right to avenge his clan because he was a small child with no shinobi ties and lost his entire clan because of the selfishness of konoha. And the real reason of hte uchiha clan massacre wasnt because of the Coup. It was because danzo wanted their sharingan and konoha considered the power of the uchiha a threat. Sasuke deserves to follow the path of revenge to kill the selfish elders who make their shinobi kill entire clans. Sasuke wasnt signed up as a shinobi so your entire logic is flawed. he was a small child when the shinobi killed his clan. therefore, he has every right to complain about their actions
Well dumba$$, people goes to Shinobi academy, learns to throw shurikens etc only to learn ballet? Not all people of konoha considered uchiha a threat, only the council and danzo and they alone decided to kill all uchiha and so they alone deserve to die. Hizune even tried to offer peace terms but it didnt work (See: read background). As for rest of the konoha, did anyone in the academy or streets insult sasuke? thay all praised him for his talents and respected him. That means uchiha was well treated by the common ppl.
Plus have u considered the consequences of the coup? Read this:
1. Uchiha were a lot in number,(they had a whole district to themselves) and their fighting talents were unparalleled.
2. Uchiha wld need to kill many of the shinobi forces of konoha to make the coup a sucess. And itachi alone can take on opponents equaling his total clan members. So imagine the body count .....
3. Many innocent civilian might have died due to cross fire or their livelihood destroyed.
4. To stop other clans from rising against them, uchiha wld have to take the clan leaders or their children hostage or kill them.
5. After the coup there wld be ppl who disagrees, who wld be need to be killed or imprisoned.
6. Hizune wld have to be killed.
7. THIS IS MOST DEADLY: Due to civil unrest and the weakened millitary forces, konoha wld be open for attack by other countries, who are always just waiting for a chance for a attack. This would mean destruction of konoha and annexation of land of fire. Imagine how many people wld be killed.
 

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Blame danzo for that, danzo made a mess of things, made a bigger mess to clear that up and now there is a bigger mess bcos of that mess.
Also Hizune tried to calm things down and offer them respect and power (Forming Uchiha police force practically gave the uchiha free reighn over konoha law and order) but they didnt listen. So danzo seeing a future threat thought to eliminate it completely and take no chances.
Also dont u think the family of the punished leaders wld want revenge? (As u said they were proud)
They probably considered being the police force not enough for being pushed aside by Konoha.
Hm, again it depends on their personalities. They were smart so maybe in the end their intelligence would have won from their pride
 

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They probably considered being the police force not enough for being pushed aside by Konoha.
Hm, again it depends on their personalities. They were smart so maybe in the end their intelligence would have won from their pride
The police force was formed long ago, but hizune offered more for peace, but it didnt work out. Dont u think to their minds contolling the entire village wld seem better? So can u blame them for being power hungry or not? They were not completely innocent.
 

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The police force was formed long ago, but hizune offered more for peace, but it didnt work out. Dont u think to their minds contolling the entire village wld seem better? So can u blame them for being power hungry or not? They were not completely innocent.
I never claimed that they were completely innocent, but each side has a point. And well, if you know your clan has one of the most powerful Kekkai Genkai then I think it's easy to get power hungry.
Maybe it would have never happened if Konoha hadn't pushed the Uchihas aside. Their resentment against the village festered because of that and that led to the coupe. But what's done is done unfortunately and we can only guess what would have happened otherwise
 

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I never claimed that they were completely innocent, but each side has a point. And well, if you know your clan has one of the most powerful Kekkai Genkai then I think it's easy to get power hungry.
Maybe it would have never happened if Konoha hadn't pushed the Uchihas aside. Their resentment against the village festered because of that and that led to the coupe. But what's done is done unfortunately and we can only guess what would have happened otherwise
Well konoha wld never have pushed them aside if madara 'Uchiha' didnt attack their First hokage. But yes we can only deduce.
 

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its because no one noticed itachis sacrify and treated him as traitor and also uchihas has lost respect this is why sasuke cant let it goo

secondly itachi used tsukyomi on him at such a young age and he trained to kill itachi ,,, he left konoha for that and lost all friends and trained alone in dark and even finally killed his beloved brother by his own end this is all bcs of konoha tell me dont put u r dumb logic if u r in his position u will do the same ........
 

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everyone wants uchiha power on other hand no one gave respect to uchiha the best example is no one beside itachi was involved in konoha administration or ANBU bcs simply they are stronger clan .......


its been said that sasuke has carrying all of hatred of uchiha clans history soo i think he will go all out against naruto and naruto just take it will all he got

there might be two ending one is naruto dieying or sasuke or both

i dont see both living together and as naruto already said " if i cant save one friend whats the point of being hokage soo now if he cant save sasuke his dream wont come true something like that or there might be no kageship at all in future ..

anyway sasuke has liked his brother soo much but people made him hate him for all his life in the end if u find he is gud what u do ?? kill who is responsible for it .
 

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Well konoha wld never have pushed them aside if madara 'Uchiha' didnt attack their First hokage. But yes we can only deduce.
True, but that's where Konoha went wrong. Instead of only condoning the actions of one man, they hold the whole clan responsible for his actions which isn't fair. So it was only a matter of time before the Uchiha's resentment grew so large, they went to do something about it *sighs*
But yes, we can only make assumptions now about this matter
 

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its because no one noticed itachis sacrify and treated him as traitor and also uchihas has lost respect this is why sasuke cant let it goo

secondly itachi used tsukyomi on him at such a young age and he trained to kill itachi ,,, he left konoha for that and lost all friends and trained alone in dark and even finally killed his beloved brother by his own end this is all bcs of konoha tell me dont put u r dumb logic if u r in his position u will do the same ........
Well he didnt lose all his friends, he tried to kill the friend who loved him most, who still wanted him to be friends but ignored him cos he was starting to get better (Hospital roof top battle) and so left the old friends and went to a more talented friend-who-was-not-so-friendly.

Also itachi intended to be treated as a traitor bcos when sasuke wld defeat the 'traitor' itachi, sasuke wld be a hero in his village. Plus how being masacared by a seemingly madman makes one lose his family reputation? people usually pity such survivors, also if u didnt notice girls used to flock sasuke and their parents had no problem with that.

Nagato also had a similar childhood.
 

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Gee sasuke has always been a fool & is a bigger one than Naruto...What will happen if he now destroys the village will itachi come back

And the only thing that makes me mad is that he Thinks he will just walk into konoha & kill everyone then walk out

His confidence is his arrogance
Naruto is still far stronger than him,kakashi + yamato & guy can kill him in less than 5mins U_U seriously he needs some serious beating in-oder for him to know that the world doesn't revolve around him

people like ,yamato, kakashi,nagato,naruto,konan,yashiko,orochimaro, tsunada,jiraya and so much more have had even more painful child hood than him
 
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Well he didnt lose all his friends, he tried to kill the friend who loved him most, who still wanted him to be friends but ignored him cos he was starting to get better (Hospital roof top battle) and so left the old friends and went to a more talented friend-who-was-not-so-friendly.

Also itachi intended to be treated as a traitor bcos when sasuke wld defeat the 'traitor' itachi, sasuke wld be a hero in his village. Plus how being masacared by a seemingly madman makes one lose his family reputation? people usually pity such survivors, also if u didnt notice girls used to flock sasuke and their parents had no problem with that.

Nagato also had a similar childhood.
People could have actually kept their children away from Sasuke if they thought that the madness ran in the family. Obviously they didn't but they could have thought that Sasuke was as crazy as his brother and thus a danger to their children.
And well, I think Sasuke didn't know how to deal with the fact that he started to consider his teammates as friends. He was used to being alone and feeling hatred and revenge, and then he gets hope by gaining friends in his team and that closeness to people probably scared him
 

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True, but that's where Konoha went wrong. Instead of only condoning the actions of one man, they hold the whole clan responsible for his actions which isn't fair. So it was only a matter of time before the Uchiha's resentment grew so large, they went to do something about it *sighs*
But yes, we can only make assumptions now about this matter
Madara was the leader of uchiha clanand leaders are thought be mouthpiece of their followers .... but ur right here of course, but they could have taken Hizune's peace proposals too u know ........ everyone had their reasons ..... *sigh* but that does not make them necessarily 'right'..... the only consolation of these terrible incidents is that less people died this way.
 
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The uchiha were planning a coupe that potentially could have back fired. The coupe would have kill 1000's of innocent konoha civilians women an children alike, causing a civil war that would have killed even more people. And while the uchiha attempt to take the control there would be the possibility of other countries would seize at the opportunity to invade an take control of both the uchiha an konoha resulting in a war that would extent not only through konoha but the other countries as well. The uchiha refused all peaceful attempts at negotiations offered by the third which resulted in the solution with the least bloodshed i.e the uchiha massacre. There have been real life experiences like this examples Hiroshima an Nagasaki. both where done for the greater good both still murder. (Atomic bomb Japan solution, itachi uchiha solution.) Sasuke's actions are understandable, but in a rational viewing Sasuke is being a child that has nothin better to do but to throw around the Blame and his hatred to anyone that is convenient for him. He says he loves itachi but again he continues to basically spit in itachi's ambition. Danzo an the elders are and should only be his main objectives.
 

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Gee sasuke has always been a fool & is a bigger one than Naruto...What will happen if he now destroys the village will itachi come back

And the only thing that makes me mad is that he Thinks he will just walk into konoha & kill everyone then walk out

His confidence is his arrogance
Naruto is still far stronger than him,kakashi + yamato & guy can kill him in less than 5mins U_U seriously he needs some serious beating in-oder for him to know that the world doesn't revolve around him

people like ,yamato, kakashi,nagato,naruto,konan,yashiko,orochimaro, tsunada,jiraya and so much more have had even more painful child hood than him
Partly agree and partly disagree ..... he cants be taken down THAT easily,but he will be just mad to walk in (maybe even suicide)....... no other ppl too sad childhoods but only naruto, sasuke and nagato had the same level of pain in their life.
 

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Madara was the leader of uchiha clanand leaders are thought be mouthpiece of their followers .... but ur right here of course, but they could have taken Hizune's peace proposals too u know ........ everyone had their reasons ..... *sigh* but that does not make them necessarily 'right'..... the only consolation of these terrible incidents is that less people died this way.
They should have taken the peace proposal yes, but I suppose their hatred had festered too long to simply accept that.
I think we can all agree that both sides were in the wrong *sighs*
 

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All the people saying oh he wants justice: if he really wanted "justice" wouldn't he just kill Danzo and the rest of the elders? Why kill everyone in the village? You honestly think everyone in the village even had any idea what was going? Why not kill the elders then explain why you did and make them and example of your justice being carried out and your justice being actually justice and not just you being a ****.
 
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