Sasuke was alway a better kenjutsu user than Madara

[ANiMUS]

No petty isn't the word, criteria is key to any comparison. A sword by definition is a weapon used for lethal combat, any non lethal variant wouldn't be a sword but of equal footing to a kendo stick.

The main criteria as shown is the skill that's needed to KILL your enemies with a weapon, using lethal weapons to miss vital points you say? It's actually very easy to miss vital points if you think about it (especially with a sharingan). There are very few vital points in the body like the heart, lungs, vertebra, brain. All of which can be avoided by using blunt force trauma. In fact, it's really difficult to even hit a vital point in the heat of combat, we've seen so many attacks in Naruto that miss, like chidori for instance which is a lethal attack.

You call me petty? You're the one who's petty, you tried to cover up a flaw in his kenjutsu by making it his asset, when really it's his downfall. Kenjutsu was meant for killing, plain and simple, the real skill is how you use it to kill.

Fighting while restricting your movements is harder than fighting freely. how could u not get that? Actually I don't even remember seeing Sasuke having his sharingan activated during that mob fight, but even he did it wouldn't matter because madara used his as well.

Well, he did manage to successfully parry Killer Bee and knew how to fall back before being overwhelmed. I most likely put him at 2nd place because I considered his Sharingan. I'd put him at around Tobirama's level if we disregard KKG or justus.

ok, seems reasonable

It's very petty to call somebody petty.

How so?

 

[a banned cartoon]

Fighting while restricting your movements is harder than fighting freely. how could u not get that. Actually I don't even remember seeing Sasuke having his sharingan activated during that mob fight, but even he did it wouldn't matter because madara used his as well.

They didn't even show the fight really. They just showed an image of him after he had completed the fight. After the fights over there would be no need to have the sharingan activated.

 

[ANiMUS]

They didn't even show the fight really. They just showed an image of him after he had completed the fight. After the fights over there would be no need to have the sharingan activated.

That's why I said it didn't matter. It's a possibility that Sasuke did use his sharingan, but Madara did too so I don't really count it as a difference

It's very low to call somebody petty just because they're presenting a well rounded argument. It's I fact petty to call somebody petty. Not that I'm calling you petty though?

I have no qualms against well rounded arguments and it isn't about whether our opinions differ.
We see the result of the fight and u see the character put away his sword, therefore it is understood that he used his sword within the fight. For someone to say that we don't know how much kenjutsu he used in the the fight as a way to cheapen the feat is petty.

 

[nanadaime]

All we can do is wait for the anime version of the VOTE fight because its the only time we know for a fact that he used his sword at full potential

 

[ANiMUS]

All we can do is wait for the anime version of the VOTE fight because its the only time we know for a fact that he used his sword at full potential

he use his scythe and gunbai at that point, Hashi used the sword so even then we won't get to see it.

 

[LEAU92]

Fighting while restricting your movements is harder than fighting freely. how could u not get that? Actually I don't even remember seeing Sasuke having his sharingan activated during that mob fight, but even he did it wouldn't matter because madara used his as well.

We never saw the mob fight, furthermore, Sasuke wasn't fighting a whole division like Madara was, it may have been a much weaker force which would be reasonable for him. Remember that Madara wasn't even trying, more like testing the waters and his abilities in his revived state.

To understand Sasuke's movements purely through sense and not vision proves extremely difficult, even though the sword went through his arm, he knew exactly how sasuke would move so he acted accordingly, Sasuke came forward with a stabbing motion, if he had dodged it, he would leave himself open for another attack, instead he restrained Sasuke and his sword.

If you want to talk about restrictions, then talk about Madara's inability to see while taking Sasuke on (in full health and an active sharingan). Sasuke knew all too well about his decision to strike like that, it was a good move, but if he was wise he should've anticipated Madara's move to hold his sword.

Remember, it's how you use the sword to kill, not incapacitate. You actually have more freedom when it comes to non lethal due to the fact that it's easier to avoid vital spots.

 

[LEAU92]

That's why I said it didn't matter. It's a possibility that Sasuke did use his sharingan, but Madara did too so I don't really count it as a difference

I have no qualms against well rounded arguments and it isn't about whether our opinions differ.
We see the result of the fight and u see the character put away his sword, therefore it is understood that he used his sword within the fight. For someone to say that we don't know how much kenjutsu he used in the the fight as a way to cheapen the feat is petty.

It's also petty to cheapen the feat when you only highlight the end result of a fight based off an assumption, since the argument is about the battle and how much kenjutsu he actually used. Do you even know what petty means? It means something of little importance, which means the end result that was shown during that battle supplied little evidence of what happened, therefore it's petty. What we're interested in is the process of the battle which we didn't get to see and we probably won't.

 

[ANiMUS]

We never saw the mob fight, furthermore, Sasuke wasn't fighting a whole division like Madara was, it may have been a much weaker force which would be reasonable for him. Remember that Madara wasn't even trying, more like testing the waters and his abilities in his revived state.

To understand Sasuke's movements purely through sense and not vision proves extremely difficult, even though the sword went through his arm, he knew exactly how sasuke would move so he acted accordingly, Sasuke came forward with a stabbing motion, if he had dodged it, he would leave himself open for another attack, instead he restrained Sasuke and his sword.

If you want to talk about restrictions, then talk about Madara's inability to see while taking Sasuke on (in full health and an active sharingan). Sasuke knew all too well about his decision to strike like that, it was a good move, but if he was wise he should've anticipated Madara's move to hold his sword.

Remember, it's how you use the sword to kill, not incapacitate. You actually have more freedom when it comes to non lethal due to the fact that it's easier to avoid vital spots.

It's also petty to cheapen the feat when you only highlight the end result of a fight based off an assumption, since the argument is about the battle and how much kenjutsu he actually used. Do you even know what petty means? It means something of little importance, which means the end result that was shown during that battle supplied little evidence of what happened, therefore it's petty. What we're interested in is the process of the battle which we didn't get to see and we probably won't.

If you notice my first post u would note that I am on neither side. I never said that Sasuke> Madara in kenjutsu, but just that Sasuke taking on his mob while avoiding vitals was a bigger feat than him simply killing them.

As for the part about being petty then yes how much Sasuke used kenjutsu in that fight is of little importance because he obviously used it more than Madara did because Madara only had his for a few seconds. Also in early shipuuden Sasuke usually always starts with his sword and only proceeds to use his hands and jutsu later.

 

[Retsu]

Drapshin solo'd this thread with 1 page

 

[Luckyboy786]

is it kenjutsu or genjutsu......

 

[King Of Pop]

This looks like ken jutsu skills to me. Right now Madaras not even thinking about fighting. He's too wraped up in getting his Rinnegan back to even consider fighting Sasuke. He's got one thing on his mind only, and that's getting his other Rinnegan. If he were focusing on fighting Sasuke and Naruto he'd be doing a little better, but at the moment he's getting outclassed by two shinobi with god tier powers. Sasuke only cut him in half because he isn't paying attention to him, nor Naruto. One could assume that he's only at half his strength without the other Rinnegan as well. Yes I agree though Madaras ken jutsu skills probably aren't as good as Sasuke's, but why would they be if he never focused on perfecting them like Sasuke did? I really wish that you would focus on creating threads that didn't revolve around praising Sasuke all the time. You could actually make some decent threads if you weren't always comparing him with other characters, and putting him on a pedestal.

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No where does it say that madara got cut in half because he wasn't paying attention. He saw sasuke and nxt thing he was cut so he did pay atttention, don't fabricate the manga and make up stuff. OT. I dunno but based on feats sasuke probably is better

 

[King Of Pop]

Drapshin solo'd this thread with 1 page

No he didn't, his panel got countered by the other panel of sasuke putting away multiple namesless shinobi also.

 

[Draphsin]

No he didn't, his panel got countered by the other panel of sasuke putting away multiple namesless shinobi also.

Then you, like the person who attempted to counter my post, failed to see the point.

 

[uchihaVsenju]

In my opinion this is pointless topic. First of all I admit im a Madara fan.. but Madara and Hashi are on a diff level. They've been battling their entire life and faced countless battles and experience than any we ever seen. I think the only reason why we havent seen Madara demonstrating many jutsues bcos hes cocky lol. If hes patience and calm like Itachi I dont think any1 would ever defeat him.

Madara kinda struggled on last managa cos of sasukes new power which hes not aware of and still alive. It's too easy to judge but we havent actually seen any powers/ techniques of Madara other than Limbo / lightning etc ever since he became Sage as far as I remember.
So lets not just jump to conclusion and its funny you bring Sai lol

 

[shelke]

Then you, like the person who attempted to counter my post, failed to see the point.

Which point were you trying to make again? Madara's kenjutsu feats beat this:

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No they don't. Do post something relevant here that actually supports your point.

OP - Let's get something in perspective here:

1 - Bee - Sasuke went into the fight without his Sharingan first. There were two reasons why he got stabbed 1) he was severelly injured from his fight with Itachi. He never healed. 2) Bee deflected his Raiton induced sword with his own Raiton charged sword. Itachi never engaged in Kenjutsu battle with Bee. This base should stop posting rubbish. He simply parried. How hard is it to parry for someone with Itachi's speed? It's far harder to hold your ground and fend off an enemy.

2 - Mifune - He's the master of 'Quick Draw'. According to the manga, no ones quick draw is faster than him. Yet he couldn't even surprise Sasuke.

3 - Samurai - Few high-class Samurai - their helmets will tell you the difference - were utterly fodderized by Sasuke. This is the only thing they know how to do. Mind you, even lower class ones were shown to battle the Edos with Karui. Both Karui and Omoi were trained by Bee in Sword battle. Several Ninjas from the Cloud have shown to wield the blade, including Samui's brother. They even have Blade based Techniques.

4 - Suigetsu, according to Kisame is a Sword-Genius. He said he enjoyed cutting off limbs and decapitating victims. He is also the younger brother of the legendary 7th Swordsman, who has mastered all the blades. He lost poorly before Bee, and Sasuke had to engage in a fight and get his sword back. Mind you, in single sword battle with Bee, Sasuke had a vast upper hand.

5 - People also forget that fighting with a single blade to deflect and block many blades requires colossal Kenjutsu skills. It means the user is limited to a single option.

Where are Madara's feats anyway? I agree OP. NB will forever remained Biased, when the manga spoke volumes through Orochimaru: "My Genius is pitiful before Sasuke's". He commented this when he saw his Kenjutsu prowess. No body cares about anyone's self interpretations.

 

[Osagyefo]

Le Sauce wank week, not complete without a Macho thread.

Arigatou Macho...
U_U

 

[adeshina365]

What are Madara's Kenjutsu feats?

 

[sharingansennin]

Madara solo'd Sasuke with his own sword:

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by stealing Hashirama's Sage Mode, it wouldn't happen like that if he hadn't of just gotten that power

 

[Naruto.]

by stealing Hashirama's Sage Mode, it wouldn't happen like that if he hadn't of just gotten that power

It wasn't due to Hashirama's Sage Mode. It was due to him using a Rinnegan tech to stop him in mid-air, probably Limbo.

 

[MrLukyso]

Madara solo'd Sasuke with his own sword:

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Well played.