Sasuke vs Neji (Chunin exam finals)

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Why would the whole thing stop abruptly due to a small hole breaching it?

Like I said. Put a metal rod in a revolving door and the door doesn't keep on spinning. It stops. Same exact principle here. Rotation cannot protect Neji from Chidori at this level in any measure.
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That is why.

I'll also ask this since you aren't making it clear enough.

Scenario: Sasuke charges Neji and rams Chidori into Rotation right where the center of Neji's body would be located with all he's got.

What happens in this scenario?
 

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In all the cases I linked it happened nigh instantly/soon after.

1. Chakra absorption = chakra distortion = jutsu cohesion is disrupted = jutsu fails.

2. Yeah it did, albeit slowly because it was going to be a Bijuu transformation. The real reason the jutsu didn't cease was because Shukaku was in control, hence why Sasuke said: "No... Those weren't his eyes!" Once Shukaku's possession ended, the jutsu ceased. Temari's statement further reinforces that.


3. Eh, not really lol. But whatever.
1. No , i dont see how this comparison relates to this case. Neji's Chakra isn't being absorbed internally nor is his Chakra being distorted internally. He expels Chakra then spins to make the Chakra spin , it doesn't correlate.

2. Because he got a direct hit from Chidori which stunned him. His Sand didn't comeplete fall apart or change from a dome.

3. Yea , but yea watever , Naruto is such a chore to debate.
 

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1. No , i dont see how this comparison relates to this case. Neji's Chakra isn't being absorbed internally nor is his Chakra being distorted internally. He expels Chakra then spins to make the Chakra spin , it doesn't correlate.

2. Because he got a direct hit from Chidori which stunned him. His Sand didn't comeplete fall apart or change from a dome.

3. Yea , but yea watever , Naruto is such a chore to debate.
1. The whole point is the chakra is being distorted. Being absorbed etc doesn't matter. Distortion happens when a foreign aspect happens to the formerly stable technique. Distortion in this case is Sasuke's Chidori destroying/penetrating a portion of Neji's rotation. A distorted jutsu ultimately fails because the cohesion is broken.

2. Chidori didn't stun him lol, unless you're talking about him simply screaming "my blood." The dome didn't fall apart because Shukaku possessed Gaara, After Shukaku's possession ended, so did the dome.

3. I wouldn't say it's a chore. It's just that arguing Hyuga the same topic over, and over gets tedious lol.
 

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That is why.

I'll also ask this since you aren't making it clear enough.

Scenario: Sasuke charges Neji and rams Chidori into Rotation right where the center of Neji's body would be located with all he's got.

What happens in this scenario?

Throw a metal pipe through that door it stops spinning if it goes through the center. But the door would still be flung around due to the unbreached area already spinning fast , it wouldn't just stop abrutly.

The answer to ur question correlates with the questions im trying to analysing.
 

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Throw a metal pipe through that door it stops spinning if it goes through the center. But the door would still be flung around due to the unbreached area already spinning fast , it wouldn't just stop abrutly.

The answer to ur question correlates with the questions im trying to analysing.
An image of a door being stopped because a small animal got caught in the edge was just posted. There'll obviously be recoil of some sort but yes, it will stop and it will not continue to spin past that point nor will it be flung around.
 

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1. The whole point is the chakra is being distorted. Being absorbed etc doesn't matter. Distortion happens when a foreign aspect happens to the formerly stable technique. Distortion in this case is Sasuke's Chidori destroying/penetrating a portion of Neji's rotation. A distorted jutsu ultimately fails because the cohesion is broken.

2. Chidori didn't stun him lol, unless you're talking about him simply screaming "my blood." The dome didn't fall apart because Shukaku possessed Gaara, After Shukaku's possession ended, so did the dome.

3. I wouldn't say it's a chore. It's just that arguing Hyuga the same topic over, and over gets tedious lol.
1. No , u took an example of Chakra control being internally hindered to try and prove that putting a hand sized hole through Kaiten would just make the jutsu cease to be , instantly.
Neji expels Chakra then spin to make the Chakra spin , ur logic is bad so i expect u to not reply after this..

2. Chidori clearly stunned him , why the hell wouldn't it stun or surprise/shock him? Shukau didn't posses him yet and its clear Gaara was stunned after getting hit.

3. Its a chore when done alot, that wat i mean lol..
 
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An image of a door being stopped because a small animal got caught in the edge was just posted. There'll obviously be recoil of some sort but yes, it will stop and it will not continue to spin past that point nor will it be flung around.

That door has 3 edges and the dog came between the far end of the edge and was stuck. Reason why it was stopped along with the door moving slowly. Throw a pipe through that same area where the dog is located or where the man is and the door would still spin only with a torn out portion.

Rotation is spinning Chakra not edges , so why would having a small portion vanish cause the whole thing to abruptly stop spinning and completely cease to be instantly ?
 
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That door has 3 edges and the dog came between the far end of the edge and was stuck. Reason why it was stopped along with the door moving slowly. Throw a pipe threw that same area the dog is located or where the man is and the door would still spin.

Rotation is spinning Chakra not edges , so why would having a small portion breached vanish cause the whole thing to abruptly stop spinning completely instantly?
What are you even talking about? The reason why it was stopped is because when there is a physical barrier blocking the door's path. Put a pipe where the man is standing the the door will run into the pipe and stop.

It being spinning chakra vs. a door is irrelevant when the mechanism is the same. The point where Chidori is acts as a wall that prevents Rotation from spinning any further past that point unless you want to argue that Rotation has enough force to spin and knock Chidori away, which we know is false since Chidori can pierce it.

And let's also go back to this question:

Before or after piercing Neji?
Let's say I said "after" instead of "before". What were you going to argue then? If you were going to argue that Rotation is halted then this entire discussion is pointless as Sasuke will 100% pierce Neji if Chidori hits Rotation.
 

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This is literally exactly how tops work. They spin until something strong enough hits it. There is no reason for this argument to be dragging on like this.
 

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What are you even talking about? The reason why it was stopped is because when there is a physical barrier blocking the door's path. Put a pipe where the man is standing the the door will run into the pipe and stop.
But putting a pipe where the man is doesn't follow the same logic. Throw a metal pipe where the man is and the pipe pierces the door and continues spinning with a hole through it. Carefully put a pipe between the slow moving edges where the man is and the pipe stops the spinning due to the edges , the door edges is wat causes it to stop and why the dog got stuck.


It being spinning chakra is irrelevant. The point where Chidori is acts as a wall that prevents Rotation from spinning any further past that point unless you want to argue that Rotation has enough force to spin and knock Chidori away, which we know is false since Chidori can pierce it.
Yes and that wall only emcopasses the palm , so why would that Wall stop the rest of the unbreached Chakra from following its spinning motion after Sasuke's palm makes it past the breach?


Let's say I said "after" instead of "before". What were you going to argue then? If you were going to argue that Rotation is halted then this entire discussion is pointless as Sasuke will 100% pierce Neji if Chidori hits Rotation.
Well then it would clearly diminish after piercing Neji. But i dont see why it would do so before simply because a hand sized portion was excluded .
 
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This is literally exactly how tops work. They spin until something strong enough hits it. There is no reason for this argument to be dragging on like this.
But the top also gets blasted no matter wat. It doesn't just stop abrutly it gets repelled away by its own force and watever hits it just like against Naruto.
 

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Neji wins. Lee's base Taijutsu that Sasuke copied was stated to have failed against Neji, especially that Sasuke can only maintain Lee's Taijutsu for very short time period. And besides that, he'll get beaten if he fights at close range with Neji. Chidori is useless as well.
 

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But putting a pipe where the man is doesn't follow the same logic. Throw a metal pipe where the man is and the pipe pierces the door and continues spinning with a hole through it. Carefully put a pipe between the slow moving edges where the man is and the pipe stops the spinning due to the edges , the door edges is wat causes it to stop and why the dog got stuck.




Yes and that wall only emcopasses the palm , so why would that Wall stop the rest of the unbreached Chakra from following its spinning motion after Sasuke's palm makes it past the breach?
Bold is only true if the door is strong enough to overwhelm the force that is holding the pipe in place to begin with, which it cannot in this scenario.



Well then it would clearly diminish after piercing Neji. But i dont see why it would do so before simply because a hand sized portion was excluded .
Then continuing this discussion is pointless as the end result is the same. Chidori pierces Rotation and Neji along with it.

But the top also gets blasted no matter wat. It doesn't just stop abrutly it gets repelled away by its own force and watever hits it just like against Naruto.
No it doesn't. Not unless it is hit with enough force to actually flick across the room or something like that. Sasuke isn't hitting Neji with enough force to repel him nor is the force spread out in a way that'd actually cause that to happen.
 

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I don't know what everybody is on about but chidori works on the principal of strike and pierce. Rotation works on the principal of chakra release and spin. So chidori hits a spinning object it'll get deflected and hurt Sasuke very badly. Leaving him open to counter attack. Neji may suffer a little recoil however.
 

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Bold is only true if the door is strong enough to overwhelm the force that is holding the pipe in place to begin with, which it cannot in this scenario.
Putting a pipe there and having it stop the door could only be done with the assistance of the edges around the revolving door where the dog got stuck( Or thats how i imagined it) Sasuke's uncovered wrist/arm , would come in contact with the unbreached Chakra after he stabs a small portion and his Chidori makes it through to the wrist.



No it doesn't. Not unless it is hit with enough force to actually flick across the room or something like that. Sasuke isn't hitting Neji with enough force to repel him nor is the force spread out in a way that'd actually cause that to happen.
Use anything to touch a spinning top even slightly and it gets pushed back , but clearly rotation works a tad different. Sasuke is hitting it with enough power to pierce it at a focused spot , that hit only affects that specific portion of Chakra he stabs , it doesn't stop Neji's explusion of Chakra and his spin which is wat makes the Chakra revolve. This is why im having a hard time seeing the whole thing up and instantly vanish after being pierced.
 
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Putting a pipe there there having it stop the door could only be done by the assistance of the edge around the revolving door where the dog got stuck( Or thats how i imagined it) Sasuke's wrist/arm that is holding the chidori , like the pipe needs to overwhelm the spinning force of the unbreached Chakra after he stabs a small portion and his Chidori makes it through to the wrist.





Use anything to touch a spinning top even slightly and it gets pushed back , but clearly rotation works a tad different. Sasuke is hitting it with enough power to pierce it at a focused spot , that hit only affects that specific portion of Chakra he stabs , it doesn't stop Neji's explusion of Chakra and his spin which is wat makes the Chakra revolve. This is why im having a hard time seeing the whole thing up and instantly vanish after being pierced.
Ok then. I'll agree that Chidori doesn't stop Rotation until it pierces Neji's body. (which it will)
 

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Ok then. I'll agree that Chidori doesn't stop Rotation until it pierces Neji's body. (which it will)
But if it doesn't stop , wats stoppin the unbreached area from making contact with Sasuke's uncovered wrist when it passes the palm through the dome? It wouldn't stop meaning it would continue and distance in releation to the unbreached area and Sasuke's wrist would be way too close.

Think of it as trying to stab a dome of water spinning with great force. You stab the water but the dome still spins so your uncovered wrist gets confronted by the still rotating water vortex.
 
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But if it doesn't stop , wats stoppin the unbreached area from making contact with Sasuke's uncovered wrist when it passes the palm through the dome? It wouldn't stop meaning it would continue and distance in releation to the unbreached area and Sasuke's wrist would be way too close.

Think of it as trying to stab a spinning dome of water spinning with great force. You stab the water but the dome still spins so your uncovered wrist gets confronted by the still rotating water vortex.
:lol I should've known.

No, resistance is exactly what you are talking about. You are arguing that the unbreached area will continue spinning and knock Sasuke's arm off course yet Rotation doesn't have the power to do that to something as strong as Chidori. So Chidori will rip through Rotation and hit Neji.
Gaara's Sand is nothing but an example to show that Rotation's level of defensive power can't provide resistance against something of the level of Chidori. Rotation spinning doesn't matter when overall it's defensive power is on par with something that was easily torn through.
That isn't happening. Chidori is too fast and too powerful with too much force behind it for Sasuke's attack to be knocked off course regardless of it spinning when the distance that needs to be covered before landing a direct hit is less than a meter. Your only argument is "it spins" as if that is enough to prove your case.

I could even continue arguing that Rotation doesn't stop, but that argument obviously isn't going anywhere so I'll leave it for anyone else or until I find a new way to explain why it would.
 
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