Sasuke surpassed Madara

[solorflare99]

The point he brought up was not even about "gifts or not". It's to compare them taking away their bijuus power; however you give madara ems while saying sasuke's eyes are gifted by itachi. That double standard :bdpf:

When did I "give" Madara EMS? I just didn't mention it. Your ignorance proves nothing. Madara EMS is a gift aswell, but as I said I'm not the one trying to take away their accomplishments just because they use others powers. Try harder :bdpf:

 

[BlacLord™]

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Bring manga facts only fan fics you have over there get lost Maddy>Sasuce and Naruto>sasuce

Naruto > Madara
Sasuke > Madara
Naruto = Sasuke

A Naruto fapper like you is no better than a Sasuke fapper.

 

[TrollKing]

Alright. I'll dumb it down to common terminology.

What EMS Sasuke showcased in the war before Chakra depletion < What EMS Madara showcased at VoTE before Chakra depletion.

Chakra wise: EMS Sasuke before power-up = EMS-R Sasuke after power up

EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke.
EMS Madara > Nagato.
EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke + Nagato
EMS Madara < Rikudo Sasuke.
EMS Madara > Gaiden Sasuke. ​

You still using fan logic which is contrary to manga

Don't even know where you pulled that ems madara > gaiden sasuke

Ems > 6 tomes rinnegan?? Too much fantic :bdpf:

 

[TrollKing]

When did I "give" Madara EMS? I just didn't mention it. Your ignorance proves nothing. Madara EMS is a gift aswell, but as I said I'm not the one trying to take away their accomplishments just because they use others powers. Try harder :bdpf:

He was talking about taking away jubi and shinju which is their bijuus power. Then you should take away madara's bijuus and sasuke's bijuu power, but you said oh no sasuke's eyes are itachi eyes as well. If you are not double stantard, then what you added are completely irrelevant to begin with :bdpf:

 

[darkstar94]

Well u might say that sasuke's rinnegan is more powerful than madara's but even with the more powerful eyes he falls way back in skills . I mean cmon even sasuke with EMS was no match for madara with no eyes. When madara become juubi jin he was practically immortal and could only be defeated by a sealing jutsu which sasuke lacks.

 

[TrollKing]

Well u might say that sasuke's rinnegan is more powerful than madara's but even with the more powerful eyes he falls way back in skills .

Sasuke lost in skill? That's something new I heard :bdpf:

 

[solorflare99]

He was talking about taking away jubi and shinju which is their bijuus power. Then you should take away madara's bijuus and sasuke's bijuu power, but you said oh no sasuke's eyes are itachi eyes as well. If you are not double stantard, then what you added are completely irrelevant to begin with :bdpf:

All I did was not mention all of their outside help. Your ignorance proves nothing. As I said I'm not the one trying to take away their credit, so why would even care to compare the two without any outside help(besides we don't even know how powerful MS Madara is). I was just mentioning that Sasuke hasn't gotten at his strongest without others power like Madara so there is no point in discrediting Madara because of outside help. Now your jimmies are rustled because you've made an irrelevant post. :bdpf:

 

[TrollKing]

All I did was not mention all of their outside help. Your ignorance proves nothing. As I said I'm not the one trying to take away their credit, so why would even care to compare the two without any outside help(besides we don't even know how powerful MS Madara is). I was just mentioning that Sasuke hasn't gotten at his strongest without others power like Madara so there is no point n discrediting Madara because of outside help. Now your jimmies are rustled because you've made an irrelevant post. :bdpf:

Jubi jin madara vs bijuups sasuke

He compared them by taking away the bijuus

And now you saying taking away all outside help without even mentioning madara, that's why I said your response is not even relevant to what stated :bdpf:

 

[TenseiganFTW]

This thread proves nothing,when Madara used CT he needed more time cuz he used a way more powerful version...
Sasuke needed time for Indras arrow and Kaguya needed time to make the TSB bigger...
Sasukes CT was way smaller and look at Madara when he was about to use CT how that looked like...
Sasuke didn't surpass Madara and fanboys are making me feel brain-Ill

 

[solorflare99]

Jubi jin madara vs bijuups sasuke

He compared them by taking away the bijuus

And now you saying taking away all outside help without even mentioning madara, that's why I said your response is not even relevant to what stated :bdpf:

-_- you are so dense. I never said take away all of their outside. This is where you fail. When you understand that then I can have a conversation with you.

Also, no he didn't compare them by taking away their power ups as rinnegan and rikudo chakra itself is a power up.

 

[Dantee]

So says the manga.

 

[TrollKing]

-_- you are so dense. I never said take away all of their outside. This is where you fail. When you understand that then I can have a conversation with you.

Also, no he didn't compare them by taking away their power ups as rinnegan and rikudo chakra itself is a power up.

It was completely pointless for you to say sasuke's eyes are itachi's

 

[TrollKing]

Contrary? Elaborate.

Reflex wise: ​

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Susano'o Wise:​

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EMS Madara can counter all Sasuke's Rin'engan has to offer, is faster, stronger, has far greater Chakra control than the Sasuke in question and I've already addressed Amenotejikara. ​

Reflex: your scans proved nothing. Sasuke sensed the danger of his daughter, so he dived to her

Susanoo wise: they both have ps, what you talking about? Sasuke actually showed unique armor. Sasuke wins by feat if not equal

You seriously trying to prove ems > rinnegan

In Fantic, its possible. Mangawise, its not

 

[solorflare99]

It was completely pointless for you to say sasuke's eyes are itachi's

It was to make a point that Sasuke has outside help to get the power he has now. It's called an example. Not a hard concept to grasp. My point is despite that I still give Sasuke the credit he deserves, and Madara should be treated the same.

 

[TrollKing]

It was to make a point that Sasuke has outside help to get the power he has now. It's called an example. Not a hard concept to grasp. My point is despite that I still give Sasuke the credit he deserves, and Madara should be treated the same.

Itachi's eyes are outside help? Why not take away izuna's as well?

 

[solorflare99]

Itachi's eyes are outside help? Why not take away izuna's as well?

You are just so dense. I already said Izuna's eyes are outside help. If you are just going to ask redundant question just reread all the post from the beginning to now..

 

[VongolaX]

I've notice that out of the four main uchihas, you don't give itachi his credit.

Why is that?

 

[TrollKing]

You are just so dense. I already said Izuna's eyes are outside help. If you are just going to ask redundant question just reread all the post from the beginning to now..

Ok I got it, your reply was really irrelevant. He talked about a and you reply with z

 

[Waltz]

Reflex: your scans proved nothing. Sasuke sensed the danger of his daughter, so he dived to her

Susanoo wise: they both have ps, what you talking about? Sasuke actually showed unique armor. Sasuke wins by feat if not equal

You seriously trying to prove ems > rinnegan

In Fantic, its possible. Mangawise, its not

I can understand your assumption, however, in reality: For an Uchiha who should wield several different types of weaponry, his reflexes were too poor to deflect the blades, save his child and avoid injury. Something Madara does effortlessly based on the scans provided that he was able to engage several shinobi at close distance, evaded or defended against all their offences and reacted at a pace faster than the eye could follow. Gaiden Sasuke's reflexes in comparison, is in all honesty rubbish.

True they both possess a Kanzentai Susano'o, however Sasuke's is vastly inferior in terms of size and feats to Suggest that it wields destructive force and durability comparable to Madara's.

@ Bold: Scans?


@ Red:

Chibaku Tensei is countered by a destruction incarnate sword swipe from Madara.
Bansho Tennin can be resisted by anchoring with Susano'os weaponry.
Shinra Tensei isn't budging the defenses of Madara's Kanzentai Susano'o.
Preta path requires Sasuke to be within 6 inches (extent of preta's orb from the body) of Madara or his Susano'o. He's bisected.
Human path is countered by Madara remaining in Susano'o.
Animal path is countered by Madara's Susano'o wielding Bunshin's.
Gedou Mazou is sliced in 2.
Naraka path serves no purpose.

@ underlined: Tell me, TrollKing; why are you undermining a character's abilities showcased in the Manga to trend with a common belief?

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[solorflare99]

Ok I got it, your reply was really irrelevant. He talked about a and you reply with z

It's too complicate for your simple mind to understandU_U