A technique used by Kaguya with her "Rinnesharingan". Changes the world around the user and the people around her into another dimension. The dimensions it can move to are ones of lava, ice, gravity, sand, and acid, and these five dimensions are directly linked to (whatever dimension Black Zetsu mentions back when Naruto is there with them. I can't remember or figure out how to translate it). Using it consumes a huge amount of Chakra, making it an eye technique only she can use.
The technique required Kaguya's Rinnesharingan. Madara had the rinnegsharingan. It's stated that no one else but her could use it due to the amount of chakra it requires. Therefore, Madara had the tools, but lacked the chakra. Sasuke has the tools, lacked chakra before, but now apparently can do it. This makes it fairly obvious that JJ Madara at his strongest had inferior reserves to Sasuke, and likely inferior chakra (which fits Sasuke's chidori meteor busting feat).
Try, the databook. The thing you guys try to use to say that Madara's limbos can use his susanoos.
Because if you measure something, that means it has a limit. The chakra of the juubi is less than that of the first wave of the chakra of the world. The people of the wold is limited, therefore, the chakra of the juubi is limited.
Obito has Rikkudo chakra, and was getting help from 3 years worth of stockpiled chakra, and has a dojutsu with the sole function of portals and teleporting oneself.
There are only 2 conclusions to be had.
A. Obito's eyes were special enough for this to be possible.
B. The databook's a load of crap, and if this statement that no one but Kaguya has the chakra for the dimensional transfer is invalid, than the "limbos can use susanoo since the databook says they have equal ability to the original" is equally invalid, and can be discarded. Pick your poison. Either way, Sasuke's chakra is greater than it once was.
What you showed is the chakra of the whole world... Are you comparing Sasuke's chakra with the chakra of the world? The only being and not the whole world to have more chakra than the Juubi is Kaguya. It was said unlimited because it was so big and that the whole chakra of the world proves it. The people inside IT stay alive with the Lifeforce of the Holy Tree/Juubi... Don't forget that... That means something don't you think? Lastly, you said it could be because Obito's eyes were special... Or the databook is wrong... Am gonna ask you again how do you know that it is the same tech that Kaguya used? Do you have the answer? No. Sasuke didn't say something like "I used Kaguya's tech to reach her Dimensions". Just that he jumped through Dimensions. The Rinnegan always has to do something with Dimensions. Look at techs like Limbo or the Outer Path that could Summon Souls of the Dead or Hago that he summoned from Kaguya's Dimension the Bijuus and the others. It could be a Rinnegan tech... We don't know though. Just wait for the chapter. Also that that doesn't show that his chakra grew because Kaguya could use the tech multiple times. Even one time could mean that she used chakra equal to Sasuke's but that's an assumption...
Hahahah and Sasuke needed Rikudou power to fight against Madara with Naruto on his side...
Or did you forgot what happened when Sasuke didnt had Rikudou power when he tried to stap Madara in the back?
Yes he got 1 paneled
Keep in mind this is not a bashing thread. It is a thread based on observations.
Perfect Susano'o - Madara needed EMS to use PS, while Sasuke, in the newest chapter, only used MS to manifest it. So he mastered his Mangkyo power.
Rinnegan - Based on the newest chapter, Sasuke has two different Rinnegan. Madara only has one type of Rinnegan. Also, Sasuke can go to Kaguya's dimension, which is something no one else is capable of other than Kaguya and himself.
No, that was not the point. It was to demonstrate that any statement saying that "The juubi has limitless chakra" or "the juubi can't be surpassed" is inherently false and hype alone is not adequate to support your assertion that Sasuke can't. You have to get dirty and go into arguing its reserves. We don't know to which degree it's larger. The world could have far more chakra, or a little more. It's most likely the first.
The only being and not the whole world to have more chakra than the Juubi is Kaguya.
What is the juubi? It's the combined chakra of the bijus. Hashirama's chakra=Naruto+Minato's when using Kurama, which would be the majority of the Juubi's chakra. What's the point? The thing that's massive isn't the chakra of the bijus, but the "chakra" being its natural energy. The bijus chakra are merely the key to drawing on immense natural energy.
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However, following this conclusion, anyone with a similar ability to draw on natural energy should be able to have comparable, if not equal reserves to the juubi. (the RSM users comprising of pre JJ Hagoromo, Haruma, and Naruto) What's special isn't the beasts, but the natural energy.
It was said unlimited because it was so big and that the whole chakra of the world proves it. The people inside it saty alive with the Lifeforce of the Holy Tree/Juubi... Don't forget that... That means something don't you think?
Not really. The people of the world>than the juubi, but that doesn't mean it takes that much to be more than the juubi. It only shows that the juubi can be surpassed, not that this is the minimum for it. In fact, it's excessive when, if we were to believe the databook, the juubi isn't enough to use Kaguya's technique even once, but the juubi's chakra+the world makes up Kaguya, and Kaguya spammed it. This means that the world's chakra is many times above the juubi's, and not barely above. Therefore, this isn't something pointing to the juubi being "Oh my gosh! It's so huge, only the world can surpass it!"
Lastly, you said it could be because Obito's eyes were special... Or the databook is wrong... Am gonna ask you again how do you know that it is the same tech that Kaguya used? Do you have the answer? No. Sasuke didn't say something like "I used Kaguya's tech to reach her Dimensions". Just that he jumped through Dimensions. The Rinnegan always has to do something with Dimensions. Look at techs like Limbo or the Outer Path that could Summon Souls of the Dead or Hago that he summoned from Kaguya's Dimension the Bijuus and the others. It could be a Rinnegan tech... We don't know though. Just wait for the chapter. Also that that doesn't show that his chakra grew because Kaguya could use the tech multiple times. Even one time could mean that she used chakra equal to Sasuke's but that's an assumption...
I don't, but Heaven's Hand has never been shown to be inter dimensional in nature before. It swaps locations with an object in a limited range. That's its primary feature, not swapping dimensions. Limbo isn't proof for Sasuke unless he has it. Outer paths aren't inter-dimensional, and Sasuke/=/Hagoromo. If we were to believe the databook, every time Kaguya uses the tech, she uses more than Madara's entire chakra. If we were believe you in addition to the DB, that would mean she uses more chakra than Sasuke's chakra each time. For this to be the case, Sasuke's eye would have to be superior in dimensional capability, despite the fact that it's only just now showing an inter-dimensional application. Part of my assumption that it'll be similar is that Sasuke's rinnegan is clearly based off of the rinnesharingan, so it should be a variant at the least. Ultimately, we'll find out. If it looks similar at all (ex. suddenly they're at the base, or he uses the same portal) then it's confirmed. Edit: Oh yeah, and then there's the fact that their names are similar as both are abilities with heaven in the name. Sasuke: Heaven's Hand Power. Kaguya: Heavenly Governing Inside In addition to having similar looking eyes, and needing a crap ton of chakra. Coincidence? Don't think so.
We already have evidence that Sasuke's chakra intensity is at least as strong as Madara's from the Last unless Madara's basic jutsus can equal this.
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This is just icing on the cake. This chapter is only serving as a "this isn't questionable anymore" as opposed to the Last which made it "it's extremely likely."
-PS can be used with MS, but you have to have a huge chakra..
-If you are using PS with the MS, the effort would be so huge that it could become blind immediately (Sasuke it had become blind immediately using only the normal Susanoo).
-Sasuke has the Rinnegan and chakra Rikudou, and even Kakashi, obvious that they can use PS without problems and without becoming blind.
-Madara could use Susanoo also without eyes lol
-If the cells of Hashirama not have made Obito blind, just imagine the powers of Rikudou.
-Sasuke with MS and without chakra Rikudou can not use PS.
-Sasuke MS could be an error in design, it has already happened...
if you read the manga, you would realize how ridiculous you look. Madara absorbed the Shinju before he ever knew Sasuke was going to show up. And i see you didn't mention the help Naruto and Sasuke needed to get from Hagoromo in order to fight Madara. And still didn't win.
You are already basically claiming Sasuke doesn't need EMS to use his PS, so you're already ahead of yourself in that department.
Those who say that Madara needs the power up to beat Naruto and Sasuke....the powers of Naruto and Sasuke what are?? power up of Rikudou that alone they would not have got o.o
Did he really just say that Sasuke has more Chakra than the Juubi? That is the biggest load of BS I've ever seen on this forum.
The only person to have more Chakra than the Juubi is Kaguya due to her being the Juubi + All the Chakra on the planet.
Sasuke can't actually swap dimensions like Kaguya due to the fact only Kaguya has the Chakra reserves to be able to do it he's able to travel through it like Kamui.
Haven't seen such a retard before.
Yeah Madara needed help from Juubi/Kaguya to fight Sasuke and Naruto
