Sasuke surpassed Madara

[HENI]

Keep in mind this is not a bashing thread. It is a thread based on observations.

Perfect Susano'o - Madara needed EMS to use PS, while Sasuke, in the newest chapter, only used MS to manifest it. So he mastered his Mangkyo power.

Rinnegan - Based on the newest chapter, Sasuke has two different Rinnegan. Madara only has one type of Rinnegan. Also, Sasuke can go to Kaguya's dimension, which is something no one else is capable of other than Kaguya and himself.

 

[FubukiShirou]

Are you dumb? It was a drawing mistake...

 

[Glad Of War]

Not JJ Madara he hasn't.

Edit: And Sasuke doesn't have two types of Rinnegan.

 

[Ging]

Last time Kakashi with Obito's MS was able to pull out PS.
Tell me how Usage of MS to pull out PS can make sasuke superior than madara?

Getting in kaguya's dimension is a good feat but tell me how does it benefit sasuke in a 1 vs 1 battle when sasuke can't teleport others in kaguya dimension other than himself.Although Teleportation makes sasuke lose his majority of chakra.

JJ Madara > Sasuke its a fact unless until sasuke pull out something impressive which would make JJ madara look weaker than sasuke!

 

[HENI]

Are you dumb? It was a drawing mistake...

How do you know it was?

Not JJ Madara he hasn't.

Edit: And Sasuke doesn't have two types of Rinnegan.

He does according to the new chapter. JJ Madara is two beings, not one, so doesn't count.

 

[shelke]

Once it's unlocked, it can be used with any eye. Itachi was using his with 3T.

 

[HENI]

Last time Kakashi with Obito's MS was able to pull out PS.
Tell me how Usage of MS to pull out PS can make sasuke superior than madara?

Getting in kaguya's dimension is a good feat but tell me how does it benefit sasuke in a 1 vs 1 battle when sasuke can't teleport others in kaguya dimension other than himself.Although Teleportation makes sasuke lose his majority of chakra.

JJ Madara > Sasuke its a fact unless until sasuke pull out something impressive which would make JJ madara look weaker than sasuke!

You mean Kakashi + MS + Rikudo chakra can use PS. JJ Madara is two entities so shouldnt be used in this thread.

 

[jsss]

Yea Sasuke has surpassed EMS Madara

 

[Kettei]

Juudara > Sasuke

Both Naruto and Sasuke had to fight Madara. And they didn't even kill him, Kaguya took over.

 

[HENI]

Yea Sasuke has surpassed EMS Madara

Yep, and also surpassed One Rinnegan pre Shinju Madara

 

[HENI]

Juudara > Sasuke

Both Naruto and Sasuke had to fight Madara. And they didn't even kill him, Kaguya took over.

Hold on a minute, is Juudara = Madara? or is it Juubi and Madara Yeah Madara needed help from Juubi/Kaguya to fight Sasuke and Naruto

 

[Ging]

You mean Kakashi + MS + Rikudo chakra can use PS. JJ Madara is two entities so shouldnt be used in this thread.

Sasuke also has Rikudo chakra that's why he pull out PS.You answered your own question.

JJ madara is not 2 entities.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

I think the MS was a mistake by Kishi, since nowhere was it ever stated or shown even in the original manga that EMS can switch back to MS. As far as we know, the EMS formation is a irreversible change that occurs through fusion of two MS. Unless Sasuke somehow managed to lose Itachi's eyes but still possesses the powers from before, a bit like Madara during his susano activation without eyes. That would be a more reasonable explanation to this. Also Sasuke and both Madara possess the same type of Rinnegan.

I'd have to admit that Madara is still unsurpassed by Sasuke in terms of power, especially. This is because Madara reached near to the level of Kaguya and was perhaps on the same rank as Hagoromo and Hamura combined, whereas Sasuke probably above Indra and closer to Hamura but not quite there since he needs more yang power. :hmm:

 

[Sennin of Logic]

1. This means nothing. Susanoo is susanoo. It doesn't matter what form of his eye activates it.

2. Now this is a legitimate point. To be more to the point. Only Kaguya could get into her dimension due to the immense amount of chakra she possesses. The fact that Sasuke can as well (albeit at a cost) means that his chakra is much stronger than it was, and stronger than Madara's.

 

[HENI]

Sasuke also has Rikudo chakra that's why he pull out PS.You answered your own question.

JJ madara is not 2 entities.

JJ Madara is 2 entities.

 

[The Falcon]

Sasuke is still weaker than juubi jin madara and it seems like he will always be weaker than juubi jin madara.

 

[HENI]

Sasuke is still weaker than juubi jin madara and it seems like he will always be weaker than juubi jin madara.

Of course he is weaker than Madara + Kaguya

 

[SenseiSama]

Not JJ Madara he hasn't.

Edit: And Sasuke doesn't have two types of Rinnegan.

He has standard Rinnegan and Tomoe Rinnegan.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Hold on a minute, is Juudara = Madara? or is it Juubi and Madara Yeah Madara needed help from Juubi/Kaguya to fight Sasuke and Naruto

:lol according to this logic, it was Madara with 1 Rinnegan + Juubi + Sage power VS Sasuke + Itachi's power + Naruto + Kurama's power + Sage power?? :eww: Yet, they still failed to defeat him.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Juudara > Sasuke

Both Naruto and Sasuke had to fight Madara. And they didn't even kill him, Kaguya took over.

Invalid argument. That only applies to Sasuke and Naruto at that point in time as they were improving mid-fight during the Kaguya arc, and later improved over the years through the Last, until they started getting sloppy in Gaiden.

I think the MS was a mistake by Kishi, since nowhere was it ever stated or shown even in the original manga that EMS can switch back to MS. As far as we know, the EMS formation is a irreversible change that occurs through fusion of two MS. Unless Sasuke somehow managed to lose Itachi's eyes but still possesses the powers from before, a bit like Madara during his susano activation without eyes. That would be a more reasonable explanation to this. Also Sasuke and both Madara possess the same type of Rinnegan.

I'd have to admit that Madara is still unsurpassed by Sasuke in terms of power, especially.B] This is because Madara reached near to the level of Kaguya and was perhaps on the same rank as Hagoromo and Hamura combined[/, whereas Sasuke probably above Indra and closer to Hamura but not quite there since he needs more yang power. :hmm:

No, not the same type. If they had the same type, Sasuke would have access to limbo and Madara would have the heaven's hand power, which he doesn't.

@bold Lol! What???!!!! You think that Madara's anywhere near Kaguya's level, let alone close, and not only stronger than either Hagoromo or Haruma, but stronger than both of them combined? Please tell me you're trolling. Madara has A. shown noting on this level. B. By the nature of his powers, could not be on this level. He's inferior straight-up inferior to Hagoromo, and if Haruma had tenseigan+RSM, then he's inferior to Haruma as well.