- Madara absorbed the Shinju moments before Sasuke even showed up.
- If using someone's power means they are getting help from them, then Sasuke has been doing it since P1. Dude was even using 2 ppl's powers at the same time all the way up to getting MS.
1. This means nothing. Susanoo is susanoo. It doesn't matter what form of his eye activates it.
2. Now this is a legitimate point. To be more to the point. Only Kaguya could get into her dimension due to the immense amount of chakra she possesses. The fact that Sasuke can as well (albeit at a cost) means that his chakra is much stronger than it was, and stronger than Madara's.
if you read the manga, you would realize how ridiculous you look. Madara absorbed the Shinju before he ever knew Sasuke was going to show up. And i see you didn't mention the help Naruto and Sasuke needed to get from Hagoromo in order to fight Madara. And still didn't win.
You are already basically claiming Sasuke doesn't need EMS to use his PS, so you're already ahead of yourself in that department.
if you read the manga, you would realize how ridiculous you look. Madara absorbed the Shinju before he ever knew Sasuke was going to show up. And i see you didn't mention the help Naruto and Sasuke needed to get from Hagoromo in order to fight Madara. And still didn't win.
You are already basically claiming Sasuke doesn't need EMS to use his PS, so you're already ahead of yourself in that department.
Madara as RSM right? So he sensed Sasuke coming. Kaguya > Hagoromo, so Madara had help from a stronger being, while Sasuke only got half of the power of a weaker being, but he made Madara run
He says that because Madara had the Rinne Sharingan which Kaguya had... Although Madara was taken over by Kaguya before he could use its abilities. If Sasuke did but lost most of his chakra I don't see the reason why Madara can not do since he has way more chakra and the Rinne Sharingan 1 or 2 times. Kaguya is the only one with enough chakra to use the/her tech many times but its very chakra taxing.
A technique used by Kaguya with her "Rinnesharingan". Changes the world around the user and the people around her into another dimension. The dimensions it can move to are ones of lava, ice, gravity, sand, and acid, and these five dimensions are directly linked to (whatever dimension Black Zetsu mentions back when Naruto is there with them. I can't remember or figure out how to translate it). Using it consumes a huge amount of Chakra, making it an eye technique only she can use.
The technique required Kaguya's Rinnesharingan. Madara had the rinnegsharingan. It's stated that no one else but her could use it due to the amount of chakra it requires. Therefore, Madara had the tools, but lacked the chakra. Sasuke has the tools, lacked chakra before, but now apparently can do it. This makes it fairly obvious that JJ Madara at his strongest had inferior reserves to Sasuke, and likely inferior chakra (which fits Sasuke's chidori meteor busting feat).
He says that because Madara had the Rinne Sharingan which Kaguya had... Although Madara was taken over by Kaguya before he could use its abilities. If Sasuke did but lost most of his chakra I don't see the reason why Madara can not do since he has way more chakraa nd the Rinne Sharingan 1 or 2 times. Kaguya is the only one with enough chakra to use the/her tech many times but agains its very chakra taxing.
A technique used by Kaguya with her "Rinnesharingan". Changes the world around the user and the people around her into another dimension. The dimensions it can move to are ones of lava, ice, gravity, sand, and acid, and these five dimensions are directly linked to (whatever dimension Black Zetsu mentions back when Naruto is there with them. I can't remember or figure out how to translate it). Using it consumes a huge amount of Chakra, making it an eye technique only she can use.
The technique required Kaguya's Rinnesharingan. Madara had the rinnegsharingan. It's stated that no one else but her could use it due to the amount of chakra it requires. Therefore, Madara had the tools, but lacked the chakra. Sasuke has the tools, lacked chakra before, but now apparently can do it. This makes it fairly obvious that JJ Madara at his strongest had inferior reserves to Sasuke, and likely inferior chakra (which fits Sasuke's chidori meteor busting feat).
Madara as RSM right? So he sensed Sasuke coming. Kaguya > Hagoromo, so Madara had help from a stronger being, while Sasuke only got half of the power of a weaker being, but he made Madara run
:lol according to this logic, it was Madara with 1 Rinnegan + Juubi + Sage power VS Sasuke + Itachi's power + Naruto + Kurama's power + Sage power?? :eww: Yet, they still failed to defeat him.
Madara + Izuna's power + Hashirama's power + Rinnegan + Juubi + Shinju ran away from Sasuke + Itachi's power + Rinnegan and Naruto + SM + Kurama + Small fragments of other bijuu
Really? Are you actually saying that Sasuke's rinnegan is superior to the rinnesharingan focused feature? Because it flat-out requires immense chakra to do so not merely to be effective at using it, but to activate it period. Madara could not do it, and that's a fact. Sasuke can at a cost, which is a fact. The juubi has limited chakra, and Sasuke clearly increased his own chakra, so using the hype "he has the juubi, nothing can match his reserves" does not hold.
A technique used by Kaguya with her "Rinnesharingan". Changes the world around the user and the people around her into another dimension. The dimensions it can move to are ones of lava, ice, gravity, sand, and acid, and these five dimensions are directly linked to (whatever dimension Black Zetsu mentions back when Naruto is there with them. I can't remember or figure out how to translate it). Using it consumes a huge amount of Chakra, making it an eye technique only she can use.
The technique required Kaguya's Rinnesharingan. Madara had the rinnegsharingan. It's stated that no one else but her could use it due to the amount of chakra it requires. Therefore, Madara had the tools, but lacked the chakra. Sasuke has the tools, lacked chakra before, but now apparently can do it. This makes it fairly obvious that JJ Madara at his strongest had inferior reserves to Sasuke, and likely inferior chakra (which fits Sasuke's chidori meteor busting feat).
@1st Bold, that statement has so many flaws on so many levels. Madara never tried to use Amenominaka shifting abilities considering he wasn't aware of Kaguya's alternate dimensions existing outside earth realm.
@2nd Bold, are you trying to say Adult Sasuke chakra reserves is more larger than Juubi Jinchuriki Madara?
Really? Are you actually saying that Sasuke's rinnegan is superior to the rinnesharingan focused feature? Because it flat-out requires immense chakra to do so not merely to be effective at using it, but to activate it period. Madara could not do it, and that's a fact. Sasuke can at a cost, which is a fact. The juubi has limited chakra, and Sasuke clearly increased his own chakra, so using the hype "he has the juubi, nothing can match his reserves" does not hold.
How many times Hagoromo or Toneri in the movie said that the Sage was afraid of immense chakra of the Juubi or that the Juubi's chakra is Immense by the Sage or Kurama? The Juubi has way more chakra than Sasuke. Juubi's chakra is not limited Sasuke's is. It's not hype its as it is dude. Kamui could also travel in Kaguya dimensions. Obito almost dead with the help Sakura opened gates to Kaguya's dimensions so many times so as to find Sasuke... Did he had Kaguya's tech or Rinne Sharingan? Nope...
@1st Bold, that statement has so many flaws on so many levels. Madara never tried to use Amenominaka shifting abilities considering he wasn't aware of Kaguya's alternate dimensions existing outside earth realm.
No, it isn't. Your counter is what is flawed. This isn't about "he didn't use it, therefore he can't." I'm taking a statement from the databook, saying that no one but Kaguya can, meaning it's the databook saying Madara can't.
@2nd Bold, are you trying to say Adult Sasuke chakra reserves is more larger than Juubi Jinchuriki Madara?
Are you holding on to the idea that nothing can have larger reserves to the juubi, which was disproven months ago and just going by your perception that it can't just by hype?
@1st Bold, that statement has so many flaws on so many levels. Madara never tried to use Amenominaka shifting abilities considering he wasn't aware of Kaguya's alternate dimensions existing outside earth realm.
@2nd Bold, are you trying to say Adult Sasuke chakra reserves is more larger than Juubi Jinchuriki Madara?
Looked what he answered to me... "Sasuke's chakra is not limit like the Juubi's" >> Laughable. How do we also know that Sasuke uses the same tech? Also, Obito with Kamui could open portals to Kaguya's dimensions...
@1st Bold, that statement has so many flaws on so many levels. Madara never tried to use Amenominaka shifting abilities considering he wasn't aware of Kaguya's alternate dimensions existing outside earth realm.
@2nd Bold, are you trying to say Adult Sasuke chakra reserves is more larger than Juubi Jinchuriki Madara?
2 - From the looks of it, it's a combination of chakra control at the Sage's level, extremely large reserves, and extremely powerful chakra. The first and last one make up for the middle one.
Sasuke surpassed Rinnegan Madara already. But you can't compare JJ Madara against Sasuke, it's too much even for a fanboy. Kaguya > JJ Madara > then So6P and naruto/sasuke both. JJ Madara even stronger than So6P fact is; So6P needed his brother like Naruto&Sasuke. Juubi is just a hell beast.
Sasuke surpassed Rinnegan Madara already. But you can't compare JJ Madara against Sasuke, it's too much even for a fanboy. Kaguya > JJ Madara > then So6P and naruto/sasuke both. JJ Madara even stronger than So6P fact is; So6P needed his brother like Naruto&Sasuke. Juubi is just a hell beast.
No, it isn't. Your counter is what is flawed. This isn't about "he didn't use it, therefore he can't." I'm taking a statement from the databook, saying that no one but Kaguya can, meaning it's the databook saying Madara can't.
And yet Sasuke could. Meaning the Data claims on that aspect is contradictory and not correct.
Are you holding on to the idea that nothing can have larger reserves to the juubi, which was disproven months ago and just going by your perception that it can't just by hype?
The juubi was once stated to have limitless chakra. Saying Adult Sasuke has a larger chakra reserves more than the Juubi and Madara is combined is just illogical.
How many times Hagoromo or Toneri in the movie said that the Sage was afraid of immense chakra of the Juubi or that the Juubi's chakra is Immense by the Sage or Kurama? The Juubi has way more chakra than Sasuke. Juubi's chakra is not limited Sasuke's is. It's not hype its as it is dude. Kamui could also travel in Kaguya dimensions. Obito almost dead with the help Sakura opened gates to Kaguya's dimensions so many times so as to find Sasuke... Did he had Kaguya's tech or Rinne Sharingan? Nope...
Because if you measure something, that means it has a limit. The chakra of the juubi is less than that of the first wave of the chakra of the world. The people of the wold is limited, therefore, the chakra of the juubi is limited.
Obito has Rikkudo chakra, and was getting help from 3 years worth of stockpiled chakra, and has a dojutsu with the sole function of portals and teleporting oneself.
There are only 2 conclusions to be had.
A. Obito's eyes were special enough for this to be possible.
B. The databook's a load of crap, and if this statement that no one but Kaguya has the chakra for the dimensional transfer is invalid, than the "limbos can use susanoo since the databook says they have equal ability to the original" is equally invalid, and can be discarded. Pick your poison. Either way, Sasuke's chakra is greater than it once was.
Yeah Madara needed help from Juubi/Kaguya to fight Sasuke and Naruto
