Sasuke/Itachi: whats to like....???

[NarutoKage2]

Because if the story was a coin Sasuke would be the main character of the other side. His growth in strength has been one of the most exciting aspects of the manga. And his power-ups are the coolest. I myself am a Naruto and Nagato fan but Sasuke was just as important as Naruto ever since he met Obito.

But itachi wasnt a main char, being a main char doesnt determine fannumbers.

 

[JStar King]

I agree with you.

Itachi base is pure trolling.

Sasuke base is half troll and half wrong.

Sasukebase has logic. You know nothing.

 

[Chazzi]

Because they are the best characters of this manga by far.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Because they are the best characters of this manga by far.

Reason?

 

[Chazzi]

Reason?

Because they are the best written characters and are the far most interesting ones.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Because they are the best written characters and are the far most interesting ones.

Best written? Itachi maybe but sasuke was well written?

 

[Chazzi]

Best written? Itachi maybe but sasuke was well written?

Well not nearly as good as Itachi but he was still well written imo.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Well not nearly as good as Itachi but he was still well written imo.

Sasky was poorly written wid his emo rage, nothin but a hot air ballon that burst in the end. Imho the worst written char in the manga.

 

[Bolt Rules]

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[QdonEms]

cuz itachi solos and sasuke is the best character of the series.

 

[shelke]

Sasky was poorly written wid his emo rage, nothin but a hot air ballon that burst in the end. Imho the worst written char in the manga.

You obviously have never come across a well-written character then. Here is my post from another thread:

That's NB for you, forever ignorant. Sasuke is a true gem in this manga that is overrun with tropes and cliches. One even has to touch upon tragedies to grasp his character, so I am not even surprised. Sasuke encompasses two Tragedy Conventions - Modern and Classical. From the Classical view point, everything leading up to his decision to seek vengeance fall in line with the Tradition of Greek tragedies. Hamartia, anagnorisis, peripeteia and then the repercussions on his psyche on killing Danzo - the height of narration this manga ever reached, when Sasuke was driven mad by revelation. That was fantastic.

Though Sasuke's revenge is quite intense like Medea's, he's also modern in regards to his military tactics and resolute obsession to get flesh for flesh as his own developed ideology, separate from Konoha's politics. That makes him a very liberal character for me, someone who always strove to go beyond the verges of the system and didn't let it fetter his neck like his older brother.

Like I said, one has to read Tragedies to even understand Sasuke. Albeit Hamlet is not a tragedy - given as Shakespeare's works were always termed as Tragi-comedies - but Sasuke does share a lot with Hamlet as well. The only difference being that Hamlet went through with revenge and Sasuke pondered over it.

This manga is far too bland and banal and poor for characters like Sasuke. Far too poor.

And by the way, don't use the term 'emo' that well-versed 7 year olds frequently use here if you want to be taken even remotely seriously.

 

[shelke]

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Funny, because the VIZ states "you are even Denser than Itachi." Great pointless analysis though. I bet you missed the parts where Sasuke back-stabbed Orochimaru, made a deal with Obito for the Bijuu and then told Taka that he was using them for destroying Konoha, confirmed Obito's story from every single person he came across.

You might want to actually read the manga next time around. It would be helpful.

 

[Itachi Solos]

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[NarutoKage2]

You obviously have never come across a well-written character then. Here is my post from another thread:



And by the way, don't use the term 'emo' that well-versed 7 year olds frequently use here if you want to be taken even remotely seriously.

Um, no?
Its beyond stupid to compare greek mythology and shakespeare to a manga.

Sasuke never went through with anything, he gets focused on revenge, then forgets about it.

If you had to make a comparision, yagami light of death note, was a better example of an anti hero/villain, as he stuck to his warped agenda to transform the world and took it to its logical conclusion: his ignominable defeat and censure. Sasuke on the other hand modified his views, despite having vehemently sworn revenge in the past, which clearly means he was never sure of his own convictions, or the righteousness of his own cause. This was because he didnt have all the facts, nor did he think things through before deciding to embark on his chosen path of revenge. Which also implies(quite heavily) that he had acted on impulse, and emotion in setting out on his agenda, as opposed to rationale. Like I said, emo .

 

[shelke]

Um, no?
Its beyond stupid to compare greek mythology and shakespeare to a manga.

Sasuke never went through with anything, he gets focused on revenge, then forgets about it.

If you had to make a comparision, yagami light of death note, was a better example of an anti hero/villain, as he stuck to his warped agenda to transform the world and took it to its logical conclusion: his ignominable defeat and censure. Sasuke on the other hand modified his views, despite having vehemently sworn revenge in the past, which clearly means he was never sure of his own convictions, or the righteousness of his own cause. This was because he didnt have all the facts, nor did he think things through before deciding to embark on his chosen path of revenge. Which also implies(quite heavily) that he had acted on impulse, and emotion in setting out on his agenda, as opposed to rationale. Like I said, emo .

It's quite stupid to even state that people don't mimic the actual tragedy conventions. Lol This guy. By the way, I said tragedies, not mythology. Two very different things.

Light is one of the most poorly written characters I have ever come across, and DN is nothing but a pile of hyped garbage riddled with so many plot holes and inconsistencies that it's almost too shameful. But thanks for clarifying that you have little idea about writing conventions, when Anti-Hero is a convention developed through Greek Tragedies.

 

[Soloist]

Well I like Itachi because he would stomp the shit out of Kakashi

Why u no like kakashi

 

[NarutoKage2]

It's quite stupid to even state that people don't mimic the actual tragedy conventions. Lol This guy. By the way, I said tragedies, not mythology. Two very different things.

Light is one of the most poorly written characters I have ever come across, and DN is nothing but a pile of hyped garbage riddled with so many plot holes and inconsistencies that it's almost too shameful. But thanks for clarifying that you have little idea about writing conventions, when Anti-Hero is a convention developed through Greek Tragedies.

Thanks for the info.
Im amazed that you think dn is full of plot holes and inconsistencies and naruto isnt? Lol.

I suppose hypocrisy is essential to a sasuke fan.

So because the months of the modern day calendar are based off the pagan roman gods of the past, the users of said calender are to be blamed for not knowing the useless piece of information that is its origin? I can use the term 'anti hero' w.o having to know how some greek (or roman fyi) came up with the term a millenia ago.

 

[Transcendence]

This was my post for Sasuke in another thread. It largely applies to Itachi as well in the same way Jiraiya was a driving force for Naruto, but Itachi's actions were wider in scope in the grand scheme of things and he stayed relevant all the way until the end of the manga, hundreds of chapters after he had already died.

I wrote a long post on this a while ago so I'll try my best to summarize it.

Basically, Sasuke is the driving point of this manga. No, he's not the main character and at the end of the day Naruto is the hero, but undeniably, Sasuke drives the plot. He was Naruto's "goal" ever since the end of part 1. They progressed as a pair because Naruto sought him out as a rival to fight against. As a brother as well. Sasuke's character is very complex. Right from the beginning being manipulated by Itachi, Sasuke's ideals change based on how close to the ultimate truth he is. When he was in the dark about Itachi's motives, he had a hollow and simple goal of killing Itachi to avenge his clan. As he got closer to the truth, his "plans" began to change and would change in complexity in scope. Say anything you want about his emotional antics, that's a realistic representation of how a human would react after they killed their brother who killed their family but later to find out he was just trying to protect you and by extension, the entire village that forced him into doing that. That would psychologically destroy someone. And continuing on, he felt the need for revolution after finally learning about the root problems of the Shinobi world which was first catalyzed by Hashirama and then described by Hagoromo. Whether you like it or not, Sasuke's motives/actions are the reason this manga was so interesting. The complexity, the unpredictability. It made it so interesting and he is one of the best if not the best character in this manga.

 

[NarutoKage2]

This was my post for Sasuke in another thread. It largely applies to Itachi as well in the same way Jiraiya was a driving force for Naruto, but Itachi's actions were wider in scope in the grand scheme of things and he stayed relevant all the way until the end of the manga, hundreds of chapters after he had already died.

Well I agree that sasuke was complex as a character, but I disagree that his emotional state was just a natural reaction that followed as a consequence of what he had to endure. But I do see your point so props props

 

[Transcendence]

Well I agree that sasuke was complex as a character, but I disagree that his emotional state was just a natural reaction that followed as a consequence of what he had to endure. But I do see your point so props props

How is it not natural? You do realize there's even worse people in this world who work off even less stimuli than Sasuke? Hell, Sasuke never slaughtered anyone, and his one chance to do so when he was facing the lackies of Orochimaru, he simply knocked them out. Then we have the recent Paris shooting and this was all because of religion and a simple comic strip? People always harp on Sasuke for acting off his emotions and those reactions being unrealistic, but they couldn't be further from the actual truth. Not only are human beings naturally emotional and we base our reactions on emotions, but they unconsciously control us. Sasuke's reactions have been some of the most realistic in the entire manga. How would you react if your whole family/clan was killed by your elder brother and your one goal in life was to avenge them by killing him, but when you finally accomplish that goal you find out that he loved you more than anything and that the village put him up to it for their own needs? That would psychologically destroy anyone.