sasuke: Does he have a hokage mindset?
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Amaterasuice
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Naruto's decisions haven't been that great either. If he was smart, he would've killed Sasuke at the VOTE or the Five kage summit. His decisions have basically caused a lot of Sasuke's problems. Though Sasuke caused most of them.
If someone doesn't know the past, they're doomed to repeat it in the future. Which is why Naruto, is acting just like Hashirama and how Sasuke, is differing from Madara.
Also, winning fights doesn't make you wise, nor does using chakra well make you wise.
Wise:
1. Making Decisions
2. Stopping to think of all the options
3. Doing what is best by what your options are.
^There ya go.
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uchihajaime
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Sasuke is not one dimensional. He's one of the more complex characters in the manga.
Look at that decision from Sasuke's perspective. He saw no way to save the Alliance, so he elected to save the only two ninjas with Sage Jutsu. It's like that ninja defending the Naruto clone (many chapters ago) but refusing to save fodders. Naruto was the best option, so protect him. Sasuke is capable of making the hard decisions, which Naruto isn't. Naruto wants peace. Naruto wants to make everyone happy. At the same time this is character flaw. Naruto tempers this flaw by being more moral than Sasuke. This is why Naruto and Sasuke make a great team. they are yin and yang.
I disagree. Sasuke deserted the village out of his selflessness. Sasuke did not do it for himself. he did it for his clan Sasuke is motivated by serving his clan based on the ancient ideals of fillial piety. where one has to serve his clan no matter what. it doesn't matter what one's clan did. Sasuke must serve the clan.
If that's the case, then Killer Bee deserves some blame for letting an Akarsuki walk off with a tail full of his chakra so he can go on vacation. Bee risked the world to go on vacation
Amaterasuice
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Manga shows Sasuke is maturing. He's still not great though.
You're missing the point. Tsunade is in fact better financially than Naruto. She may have gambled and had lots of debts, but that was her own money. Not the village's.
He just needs to be educated on being a leader in the political sense. Battle strategy and battle power isn't everything.
That's childish thinking, Man. No one had answer for that move, not even Shikamaru. If I'm 100% sure if Sasuke had a move to protect everyone from that he would have done it.
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Sasuke know what it's like to lose something, and knowing that gives him ability to prevent that something from happening again.
Like when the Sand attacked the Leaf Village. It was Sasuke who gave the "Comrade" speech to Naruto. He was going to whatever it takes to save Sakura. IMO, needs time to let what happen with the village and his clan calm down in heart. I'm sure it's still there somewhere.
Oh really, so Tobirama didn't himself for others, oh wait he did.
Tobirama loved the village and everything he did at the end of the day was for the village, he died to save his subordinates.
People who say Naruto has bad decision making skills, FYI it was his decisions that resulted in the resurrection of the entire leaf village and he has the respect of the Five Kage.
The entire Ninja Alliance respects and loves him, he has more political pull then any other character.
Sasuke is hated by the other Kage, and has no diplomatic ability at all.
DeathandHealing
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WTF are you talking about?
Sasuke brought a bunch of people who he gladly kicked to the side. He is a self centered jock. He thought he was hot shit back in the academy. Realized he wasn't and ran away instead of working for it with his team mates.
Sasuke is nowhere near the Level Itachi was mentally. He doesn't care and people like him do not change.
Being Hokage isn't about "Change" or being a leader. It's about fulfilling a duty because everyone respects and trust you to do the job. Being Hokage isn't about power but being willing to throw your life away, Shame yourself and the latter to bring peace to your people. If anything DANZO of all people was a better hokage then what sasuke would ever be.
You didn't see Danzo run away and become a selfish child because Hokage wasn't handed to him. And you didn't see him turn his back on his allies because the 3rd hokage had more strength than him.
Naruto stands up because it's wrong. He sticks by his words because it's the right thing to do.
Naruto had nothing his entire life and understands the pain that other people do. Sasuke looks down on those who have less than him. Naruto saved the village and after he lost everything he worked so hard to get in the end did the right thing in the face of his enemy.
Sasuke has never stood by his word and when he actually did it was to kill his own brother, stroke his own selfish ego.
It really shows the level of thinking younger readers have to the older ones when it comes to judging these characters. Sasuke is nothing more than a prick to older readers and the coolest thing ever to younger ones.
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KisuneUchiha
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I understand you are a Sasuke hater... but
1. Imo sasuke has made a decision in the manga... and if Naruto seriously can see what is evil and parts with it... why did he spend basically all of Shippuden chasing after Sasuke like another fangirl
2. Yes Naruto has lost a fight to a kage he has lost to Tsunade
3. No all of Sasukes fights with kages either ended up inconclusive or in a victory from Sasuke
4. Currently Naruto but that is due to his Uzumaki clan heritage, Kyubi, and him being the main character...
Sasuke knows and understands the previous mistakes of the previous Hokages and he even said he doesn't want their hard work to go to waste and that is why he wants to be Hokage and may even be recommended by the Edo Hokages (unlikely but still a possibility)
UzumakiAzuilmarxG
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Sasuke has gotten a lot stronger since than. Heck, at the time he fought Bee, he was actually weaker than before. He lost his cursemark and had never used Mangekyou before.
If you don't think Sasuke is kage level in power, than you're being biased towards his character.
Actually, that was around the time Naruto fought Pein. If you're going by those feats, than Naruto isn't in top ten.
Thanks for the rep btw!
A common misconception is that Dictators are bad politically. They can actually be very good leaders. Danzo for example, is technically a dictator. He would've been a better Hokage than most of the previous ones, just not a well liked one.
Naruto has a lot of maturing in the ways of, "Finance, business relations, and overall economical stability." But like I said, he would still be a better Kage then every other ninja in the village besides Kakashi.
Again, I acknowledge Sasuke's power, but I still believe that Sasuke would still get owned by Bee, even with Sasuke's new powers he would fall in a bout with Bee and the reason I believe that is that Bee has the wisdom to use his own power appropriately weather its a massive blast or a simple stab to the jugular during a hand to hand combat, or a display of power and skill combined, bee is faster than what the sharingan can follow, either way Bee is much more poised and mentally tougher!, Minato saw one of the best shinobi within Bee! as far as skills go: Bee> Sasuke in every category.
No its not possible, the Edo Hokage have no reason to support Sasuke's desire to be Hokage, and when did having a history lesson in any way make Sasuke Hokage material.
Sasuke is doing all of this for his brother, he doesn't really care about the village.
Sasuke has been confused for as long as I can remember, so him Declaring to be a hakage is just another whim he came up at the sudden change of emotion. In time, it will pass, and he will move on to his next crusade even though he hasn't accomplish his current goals.
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uchihajaime
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read the Itachi pursuit arc. When Sasuke is not consumed with darkness, he is a very effective leader. Right now, he's shown to be slowly maturing and working his way to redemption.
I never compared Sasuke to Itachi, so that comment refutes nothing.
as far not caring, that's why Sasuke won't be Hokage. Naruto balances that. also, character development. Sasuke gave up revenge. he could start to care again. there are some hints he's starting to care already. he saved Sakura, though she couldn't possibly be of use to him. When he attacked Obito with Naruto, he was smiling with naruto. this was enough to warrant dialogue.
I never said anything about power and that making Sasuke adviser. this refutes nothing.
danzo not a good Hokage; he couldn't risk his own life. this was why the third was elected. He even stood by while the village was destroyed. for the same reasons that Sasuke won't be Hokage, Danzo could not be Hokage. they are both too much yin.
valid point which is why Sasuke won't be Hokage
now. you've added stuff in an edit.
agree. which is why Sasuke won't be Hokage. I've never argued Sasuke will be Hokage.
debatable. I've always seen it that Sasuke means to keep his word but then he gets new information and/or realizes he's made a mistake and corrects by betraying Obito or killing Orochimaru
ad hominem logical fallacy. I'm 21. I know Sasuke won't be Hokage.
edit: sweeping generalization:
Sasuke is only liked by younger readers. older readers see him as prick.
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Bijuu Bomber
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Every fanbase jizzes over their favorite character. Spare your butthurt feelings somewhere where it matters.
KisuneUchiha
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Sasuke is breaking his clans curse of hatred and Sasuke unlike Madara is actually trying to fight it now, Sasuke knows about the history so he can avoid making the same mistakes the previous Hokages have made, and the previous Hokages actually do have a reason to recommend Sasuke... he actually had a change of heart and wanted to ask questions before jumping the gun again and going straight to Konoha and destroying it he listened to what the Edo Hokages had to say and Sasuke has even inspired Orochimaru to abort his Operation Destroy Konoha which even Oros former sensei couldn't do..
You misunderstand what wisdom actually is.
Wisdom: It is the ability to perform the correct action under given circumstances. Therefore that means a person with wisdom seeks or possess knowledge of the given circumstances. They understand events, situations and are able to apply the knowledge they possess to these situations and apply their actions while understanding what the right course of action actually is.
An example of a wise Hokage would be Sarutobi, he was wise enough to keep the fact that Naruto was a jinchuuriki from the other kids because he knew that if he hadn't Naruto would have turned like Gaara and been a danger to the village.
Danzo's decision to elliminate the Uchiha clan, was a harsh but wise decision because if he hadn't a war would have broke out. He understood the situation and took the right course of action.
Sasuke's decision to eliminate the Tailed beasts can be considered a harsh but wise decisions because he understands the threat the tailed beasts pose. He understands the world is not perfect and that world peace is not easy to come by. Therefore he is getting rid of tools that can cause destruction.
Sasuke may not always be nice but in terms of understanding politics he is far ahead of Naruto imo.
DeathandHealing
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Leading a Team and leading Nation/Village are 2 different things. If those where the same than Military generals would be the president and congress.
The ONE most obvious shred of proof that Naruto Excels over Sasuke in becoming Hokage is the fact Naruto can reflect and look at the emotions he is feeling. He can assess the situation and make a clear headed choice. Even when he is enraged by the power of the 9 tails ( as seen when Negato and naruto spoke ).
Sasuke doesn't see his emotions and just acts on them. He would kill his own and past team mates without flinching.
Saving Sakura during battle isn't him changing. It's him fighting and it's obvious sense to save the Healer in the middle of a fight against a Literal GOD creature. But I bet you he wouldn't have stopped to kill her if Danzo took her prisoner or if she was working with Itachi back when Sasuke went to kill him.