Sasuke did not get powers handed to him

[Liquid Snake]

sasuke and naruto both trained hard. sasuke perfect his use of chidori variants and naruto trained to get sage mode and KCM and invented rasen shuriken. but they both had free power ups too. naruto got nine tails and bijuu chakras and hagoromo's senjutsu, sasuke got itachi's eyes, curse mark (though now useless), and hagoromo's power. yes hashi did give sasuke a jutsu both from the way i see it. its a one time deal. its not something he can use continuously. they both worked and trained and were given some of what they have now. and they had to use it in real life battles for experience and stuff. your thread is partially correct. but there's no doubt he was handed or given the power. if he didnt work or train for it like he did with them chidori variants or naruto did with rasengan then its was a gift from someone. he didnt earn it

all i have to say is naruto was given kurama but he earned kuramas power by beating kurama and learning rasengan is harder than learning chidori (no proof of that but thats what i think lol)

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

wat limit was sasuke pushed to to awaken MS? which fight was this? and sasuke went to kage summit to kill danzo not test susanoo sasuke only tested his powers when he awakened EMS. and just because sasuke left to train doesnt mean he actually trained. none of oro's experiments trained not juugo suigetsu kabuto karin sasuke or any other one lol

Itachi fought Sasuke for the purpose of making him stronger,if you're going to blatantly deny that Sasuke trained with Orochimaru and created his own lightning tech in those years then there's nothing I can do.

 

[lilenesaron]

all i have to say is naruto was given kurama but he earned kuramas power by beating kurama and learning rasengan is harder than learning chidori (no proof of that but thats what i think lol)

you're right but naruto's been using the nine tails chakra since part 1 though. yes not to ful capacity but he still used it with very little training. he got the real power and speed later on but he's been using the chakra for a while

 

[ClarifyingThings]

how do u know tsunade isnt full senju did kishi say that? the only one proven to be a half breed is naruto also itachi wanted sasuke to kill him he said he only wanted to be judge by a uchiha and the only other uchihas he knew about where sasuke and obito and i know he didnt want obito to kill him. also madara wasnt given hashi's cells he took them thats how he awakened the rinnegan he wasnt revived with half of hashi until he took himself off of gedo statue so madara earned all his powers except maybe his wood style techniques and EMS izunas eyes were handed to him

Her father nor her mother was a senju, so she is infact not a "Pure blooded" senju, kishi never stated that she was mixed with something else, but her parents are not senju, also i said itachi never "Forced" sasuke to fight him, and itachi never once told or implied to sasuke that he wanted him to kill him, he wanted him to, but never said or implied anything to him, so sasuke did it on his own free will also itachi never found out that sasuke joined obito until he became a edo, and like i said before i was going by
"your logic", you keep chaging things for diffrent people, Obito never "Handed" sasuke itachi's eye's either, sauske told obito, to implant itachi's eyes after he became blind, and he would've never been able to get itachi's eyes, if he never fought him, so if you can say that madara never got hashirama's cells "Handed to him" you can say the same for sasuke getting itachi's eye Like i said a billion times, and i already said that he used hashirama's cells and mixed it with his, to get the rinnegan.

 

[ClarifyingThings]

Curse mark --> From Oro
EMS --> Itachi's eyes
Rinnegan --> Hagoromo and Hashirama's powers.

Ive alrady metioned everything you said in the thread, you didint even read anything.

 

[Ovan]

That's a damn shame. How you gonna type all that and be wrong?

Itachi has been given power. No need to deny it. If you don't see it, you need to go back to episode one and watch all of it over again.

 

[lilenesaron]

Her father nor her mother was a senju, so she is infact not a "Pure blooded" senju, kishi never stated that she was mixed with something else, but her parents are not senju, also i said itachi never "Forced" sasuke to fight him, and itachi never once told or implied to sasuke that he wanted him to kill him, he wanted him to, but never said or implied anything to him, so sasuke did it on his own free will also itachi never found out that sasuke joined obito until he became a edo, and like i said before i was going by
"your logic", you keep chaging things for diffrent people, Obito never "Handed" sasuke itachi's eye's either, sauske told obito, to implant itachi's eyes after he became blind, and he would've never been able to get itachi's eyes, if he never fought him, so if you can say that madara never got hashirama's cells "Handed to him" you can say the same for sasuke getting itachi's eye Like i said a billion times, and i already said that he used hashirama's cells and mixed it with his, to get the rinnegan.

atleast one of her parents was senju. and she definitely has senju traits in her

 

[ClarifyingThings]

That's a damn shame. How you gonna type all that and be wrong?

Itachi has been given power. No need to deny it. If you don't see it, you need to go back to episode one and watch all of it over again.

Itachi? what

 

[Liquid Snake]

Her father nor her mother was a senju, so she is infact not a "Pure blooded" senju, kishi never stated that she was mixed with something else, but her parents are not senju, also i said itachi never "Forced" sasuke to fight him, and itachi never once told or implied to sasuke that he wanted him to kill him, he wanted him to, but never said or implied anything to him, so sasuke did it on his own free will also itachi never found out that sasuke joined obito until he became a edo, and like i said before i was going by
"your logic", you keep chaging things for diffrent people, Obito never "Handed" sasuke itachi's eye's either, sauske told obito, to implant itachi's eyes after he became blind, and he would've never been able to get itachi's eyes, if he never fought him, so if you can say that madara never got hashirama's cells "Handed to him" you can say the same for sasuke getting itachi's eye Like i said a billion times, and i already said that he used hashirama's cells and mixed it with his, to get the rinnegan.

lol so neither he mom nor dad was senju? than how would she be related to hashi? hashi had to have a daughter or son who had to be senju idk where u get the fact that none of he parents were senju but thats her last name lol second madara was not given hashi's cells i didnt see hashi give them to him or anyone else manga states he got them from their battle. sasuke was handed itachi's eyes because they werent in his possession obito gave them to him and itachi clearly stated he wanted to be judged by a uchiha. wat u thought he meant set a court date and sasuke send him to jail no he wanted to be killed by sasuke

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

I'm not so sure about how the first few paragraphs are really defending 'sasuke's free powerup criticism' as I dunno how 'handing powers to sb' is defined here , but I've got a few things to point out.

first off, oro gave sasuke the curse mark only after sasuke managed to impress him ( which he had o work hard for )

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otherwise oro might have just gone for itachi's body


secondly,regardless of whether those are given powers , sasuke had to put effort/contribute in order to become that powerful .e.g.
cs2 partial transformation
MS/EMS ocular prowess , which correlates to his hatred-sth sasuke ,in the first place , would have to concentrate on in order to increase his ocular prowess , such as his complete legless susanoo

I certainly agree with your last paragraph tho . sometimes ppl don't need to work as hard as some other ppl just to become equally successful , as everyone is born with different traits

 

[ClarifyingThings]

lol so neither he mom nor dad was senju? than how would she be related to hashi? hashi had to have a daughter or son who had to be senju idk where u get the fact that none of he parents were senju but thats her last name lol second madara was not given hashi's cells i didnt see hashi give them to him or anyone else manga states he got them from their battle. sasuke was handed itachi's eyes because they werent in his possession obito gave them to him and itachi clearly stated he wanted to be judged by a uchiha. wat u thought he meant set a court date and sasuke send him to jail no he wanted to be killed by sasuke

oh yea actually i was mistaken about that, one of them do have to be senju, i got that mixed up, i meant to say that either the father (If he had a daughter) or father (If he had a son) was not senju because tsunade has blonde hair, no senju in the whole senju clan, had blonde hair, same thing with naruto, naruto is mixed with uzamaki and (forgot what minato's last name is) and he was suspose to have red hair but sense minato's not a uzamaki, naruto had blonde hair, he got it when hashirama stabbed him with the wooden sword and he absorbed the senjustu, but he also took it when he was in edo-tensei when hashirama was stabbed with the rods, and that is not his power so like i said by your logic that means its "handed to him", and also it doesint matter if it was in his posseion or not, he fought itachi and got the eyes, planned or not, he could've got them himself but obito took them instead, they were on the same team, so does it really matter?, your just acting stupid now, you never meant litteraly handed, you meant as a metaphor as in,
"he didint work for it", stop contradicting youself, also it doesint matter if itachi wanted it or not, he never told sasuke or asked him to do it, like i said "SASUKE DID IT ON HIS OWN FREE WILL", and if he never fought itachi he would've never got it, or met obito, he used his brains and got lucky, and used the oppurtunity, he wasint looking for the eyes, but he became blind and decided to fuse his eyes with itachi, to create Ems, also thats another way to show sasuke using his brains, instead of just throwing away his eyes, he combined his with itachi, so he could create ems, its stated in the manga that you need "Yours and your brothers eyes" to have ems, just like madara did, so like i said, if you can say that madara didnt get the senjustu handed to him, you can say the same about sasuke fusing itachi's eyes with his.

 

[DaileyM]

Okay so after re-reading this i do actually agree, Well i always knew he didn't get his powers handed to him except for the sages powers. But you make good valid points

 

[lucario14]

Whatever happened in the past, you can't take away the fact that sasuke did get sosp powers handed to him. You can argue that he earned it by being indra's reincarnate or by nearly dying but point is he didn't acquire power himself (taking itachi's eyes is acquiring power himself).

Even great shinobi gets help every once in a while. If anything it is a testament to sasuke's development of cooperation. Last I checked he had the lowest score when it came to cooperation and assertiveness, bringing his overall score down to 2nd place tied with Ino in his academy class.

Op great thread though he was handed powers but not to the extent that sasuke hate fappers make it out to be.

 

[Dannie]

The op is a genius.

 

[Rafeal brown]

People wank a lot about sasuke taking Itachi's eyes(just a pair of eyes) but nobody complained about how Naruto(his counter part) was GIVEN the most powerful creatures in the Narutoverse(the nine bijuu)....
And yes, you're right.... Sometimes working hard is not just enough... If any one of you here wants to go far in life then learn to work smarter not harder. Enuf said!

 

[Klaves]

People wank a lot about sasuke taking Itachi's eyes(just a pair of eyes) but nobody complained about how Naruto(his counter part) was GIVEN the most powerful creatures in the Narutoverse(the nine bijuu)....
And yes, you're right.... Sometimes working hard is not just enough... If any one of you here wants to go far in life then learn to work smarter not harder. Enuf said!

Until recently, he only had half of Kurama and there are a lot of people that complain about that (you right now for instance). And Itachi practically handed his eyes over to Sasuke. It was Itachi's plan all along, and Sasuke had no idea what was really going on.

With that being said, both characters got OP power-ups, but they both worked at mastering them. It's to be expected with main characters.

 

[shelke]

Twisting it won't help your case it was handed to him no need to deny it. just because its possible doesn't make it a clan custom since there's only two EMS user.

Have you even read the manga, or just like throwing dirt in threads like these? I am tired of posters like you, who fan the flames and escalate the fan-wars. Itachi outright talks about 'Sharingan Sacrifices' to learn the secrets of the Sharingan - including higher Mutations such as MS and how to gain the highest Mutation for Light.

Yet again he speaks of Uchihas exploiting Izanagi to record battles for Future references and Izanami's invention to thwart this. Both of these result in loss of light, yet Uchihas abused the former, but they were still famous for their eyes, which means they maintained stashes to not leave themselves crippled.

Madara was shown to keep and maintain a Stash of spare Sharingans and Obito has knowledge on this ground as well. It only takes a 5th Grader to process all this and add the information that Uchihas kept a stash of Sharingans from fallen brethren to Record Battles, Experiences, and to Learn more about the Mutations - which Itachi refers to as Sharingan Secrets.

Since Madara left not long after he achieved EMS, the Clan had little on their hands in regards to EMS Doujutsu mutations. It all boils down to how much people pay attention. Keeping Stashes, making Sharingan sacrifices, and transplanting eyes - all common practices within the Clan. Doesn't help anyone's case when they start making stuff up.

Explain your argument.

Did Sasuke worked for his EMS? Cursed mark? Rinnegan?

While Naruto goes through all the hard work trying to control sage chakra, Kyuubi and trust of all the bijuus and the village.

He had a mental struggle for KCM and BM just happened. Did he have to work hard for Kurama? Didn't think so. Oh the biased crap on NB. Naruto worked hard for KCM and BM? Biggest piece of Fanfiction I have ever heard.