Sasuke counter to AA

[Mad Titan Thanos]

That's all well and good, but it doesn't explain what Sasuke does when Dual RS with the Earth's NE are headed towards him.

The truth of the matter is that nobody on this site (or anywhere else) knows how Sasuke survives/counters that attack, but Kishi apparently thinks he does, so...

Kishi said that probably for Sasuke fans to satisfy them. Based on feats on power that is available to them its clear Naruto should be superior.Kishi said in interview Hiruzen = Hashirama and we know that is nonsense.

Point is Kishi is author so he can do whatever he wants. If Naruto and Sasuke would fought again he would probably not allow Naruto to collect NE or whatever he wants in order to confirm his claim.


Sasuke unlike Naruto can open portals to other dimensions ,revive dead people with his Rinnegan,control Bijuus with Sharingan none of those Naruto can do. And Rinnegan gives him more versatility in his arsenal.


And gathering huge amount of NE is not really part of own Naruto power.


And we dont know what is preta limit. We saw Momoshiki absorbing everything and we dont know can other Rinnegan do that too.

 

[Ambivalence]

And gathering huge amount of NE is not really part of own Naruto power.

I can agree with the rest of your post, but not with this. Naruto can gather NE, Sasuke can't. Sasuke can absorb chakra and jutsu, Naruto can't. It is part of his own power when he collects and uses NE, just like it was when Sasuke absorbed Kurama's chakra and used it for an Enton Chidori.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

I can agree with the rest of your post, but not with this. Naruto can gather NE, Sasuke can't. Sasuke can absorb chakra and jutsu, Naruto can't. It is part of his own power when he collects and uses NE, just like it was when Sasuke absorbed Kurama's chakra and used it for an Enton Chidori.

Giant Shinra tensei wont have problem repelling those attacks .Members forget how easily BM Naruto repelled 5 TBB. People also say Indra arrow > Chou Shina tensei despite the fact its made from Lighting so it is not heavy attack in order to push ST back.

But honestly having Kurama chakra reserves always make it possible for Naruto to outlast. Even Kishi was aware of this in Vote 2 thats why he made Naruto low on chakra.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Two Q
1.Can naruto create Bijuu Dama FRS without Goudama
2.Can't Sasuke shift move to other dimension to avoid getting hit by it and return

1. It was shown that Naruto doesn't need tsb to make the two RS
2. When Sasuke comes back he would still be weaker than Naruto, given the toll it takes on his chakra to open dimensions.

Naruto doesn't even need to use his two RS that countered AA. Given how much chakra he can absorb, he's easily be able to kill Sasuke without the Two RS.

 

[BLAZE]

Well, he seemed to create it from his hand.

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I can't find a scan of naruto riding inside of ashura avatar. so i guess its up to interpretation then? :lol

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Here is one i can see only one TSB maybe becoz it does not show his whole body

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i am saying that Considering he nvr made a BD with in Kurama avatar in his hand and used TSB to form BD:FRS

What do you think he made in Ashura's Avatar's left hand? One was a BDRS, the other was a COFRS.

He had 3 TSB's out of 9[lost 4 against Limbo while sealing them and 2 against Zetsu after sealing kaguya] left so could have used any out of them.
As he needed TSB's to perform BD:FRS like here

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That's just freaking cheap.

bro They are Ninja's lol and if he can use ameno to dodge attack why not Dimension travel
can't he shift himself his Susanoo with Ahura avatar or shift his PS away from incoming Dual FRS

 

[Ambivalence]

Giant Shinra tensei wont have problem repelling those attacks .Members forget how easily BM Naruto repelled 5 TBB. People also say Indra arrow > Chou Shina tensei despite the fact its made from Lighting so it is not heavy attack in order to push ST back.

Sasuke's never even used a small ST, teen or adult, and I don't know about CST pushing that attack away, but I don't really want to start speculating.

Naruto doesn't even need to use his two RS that countered AA. Given how much chakra he can absorb, he's easily be able to kill Sasuke without the Two RS.

Lol, then this makes that statement even more fallacious. It's gg as soon as Naruto gets the NE, no matter how he uses it.

i am saying that Considering he nvr made a BD with in Kurama avatar in his hand and used TSB to form BD:FRS
He had 3 TSB's out of 9[lost 4 against Limbo while sealing them and 2 against Zetsu after sealing kaguya] left so could have used any out of them.
As he needed TSB's to perform BD:FRS like here

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It wasn't made with a TSB. All he needs is

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for making it, the TSB were just used as substitutes in order to make 6 instantly, instead of having to create clones and go through the whole process.

bro They are Ninja's lol and if he can use ameno to dodge attack why not Dimension travel
can't he shift himself his Susanoo with Ahura avatar or shift his PS away from incoming Dual FRS

I forgot that even if he does that he'll be somewhat weakened when he comes back, while unless Naruto is caught in that blast he'll still have his avatar up.

And no, he can't shift with PS. He only did that with BPS.

 

[BLAZE]

1. It was shown that Naruto doesn't need tsb to make the two RS

Would love to see the a scan of him with three TSB's or him not needing Tsb's to form BD Frs

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It wasn't made with a TSB. All he needs is

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for making it, the TSB were just used as substitutes in order to make 6 instantly, instead of having to create clones and go through the whole process.

Zoom to naruto
4 TSb's behind his back rather than 5[4 already used to seal maddy's limbo] :|

And no, he can't shift with PS. He only did that with BPS.

Why so
considering he nvr absorbed their chakra in himself

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Sasuke's never even used a small ST, teen or adult, and I don't know about CST pushing that attack away, but I don't really want to start speculating.



Lol, then this makes that statement even more fallacious. It's gg as soon as Naruto gets the NE, no matter how he uses it.



It wasn't made with a TSB. All he needs is

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for making it, the TSB were just used as substitutes in order to make 6 instantly, instead of having to create clones and go through the whole process.



I forgot that even if he does that he'll be somewhat weakened when he comes back, while unless Naruto is caught in that blast he'll still have his avatar up.

And no, he can't shift with PS. He only did that with BPS.

Sasuke have ST thanks to rinnegan

 

[Ambivalence]

Zoom to naruto
4 TSb's behind his back rather than 5[4 already used to seal maddy's limbo] :|

Lol, what? I was obviously just giving that scan to prove he needs Kurama's help/chakra to form the technique, it's irrelevant otherwise. I already said he made them all with TSB against Madara. Naruto had 3 TSB during VoTE, and it was never shown him using one of them to make that BDRS - Naruto needs chakra arms to make a small BD [

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], and that's exactly what the 3 Ashura Avatar arms did for BDRS's core. Then all he did was add FRS to it. You can't prove he used a TSB as he can evidently do it without one, so that's that.

Why so
considering he nvr absorbed their chakra in himself

He absorbed it into PS and made a new construct, which is all that matters. He had all the opportunities to warp with PS, but he only did it when he got BPS, so it's pretty clear he can't shift with his normal PS.

Sasuke have ST thanks to rinnegan

Not saying he doesn't. Just that a sudden CST which may or may not repel that attack is iffy.

 

[BLAZE]

Lol, what? I was obviously just giving that scan to prove he needs Kurama's help/chakra to form the technique, it's irrelevant otherwise. I already said he made them all with TSB against Madara. Naruto had 3 TSB during VoTE, and it was never shown him using one of them to make that BDRS - Naruto needs chakra arms to make a small BD [

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Bro what he used a BD:FRS and i showed u a TSB missing out of 5 Later on he used 5 TSB he clearly had all 5 TSB's missing clearly proves he uses them for BD:FRS

and that's exactly what the 3 Ashura Avatar arms did for BDRS's core. You can't prove he used a TSB, so that's that.

And he nvr made Bijuudama via hands in avatar form.You are saying base BM naruto did so AA or avatar form can.Naruto's Avatar has nvr been seen using chakra arms while his KCM and BM or RSM mode never has
Also you are clearly ignoring he used TSB to form BD:FRS when there is clearly a TSB missing

He absorbed it into PS and made a new construct, which is all that matters.

Lol its like you are saying Naruto cannot create Bijudama FRS or Chou Odama FRS via kurama avatar becoz he used it only in AA :|

He had all the opportunities to warp with PS, but he only did it when he got BPS, so it's pretty clear he can't shift with his normal PS.

Or his eyes were on cool down after using ameno on RSM naruto


Edit: i checked again he should have at least 1 TSB left after Multiple Bijuudama FRS as he used 5 BD:FRS aginst CT moons considering he used only 3 to hold maddy's limbo[i though he used 4] he had none left so its only logical to assume he used one before in BD:FRS

 

[Ambivalence]

Bro what he used a BD:FRS and i showed u a TSB missing out of 5 Later on he used 5 TSB he clearly had all 5 TSB's missing clearly proves he uses them for BD:FRS

:lol Okay, mate, you need to start reading. Why are you repeating this irrelevant point when I've never denied he made them with TSB against Madara's CT? You were arguing about VoTE, then latched onto a scan I brought just so I could prove he needs Kurama and a core for the technique, and never said he didn't use a TSB. Stop talking about Madara's case, when it's VoTE that proves he can use BDRS without a TSB, as I've already said.

And he nvr made Bijuudama via hands in avatar form.You are saying base BM naruto did so AA or avatar form can.

And what exactly is the issue, seeing as how Naruto was already shown using a COR with his and Minato's avatar? Is Naruto using his normal techniques with his avatar provided he has enough arms to form the technique news to you? Because he also fired a COFRS with his Ashura Avatar - you know, a technique that also takes chakra arms to form. Go ahead and prove that Mini BD somehow differs from COR and COFRS so that it can't be made with an avatar, because it's obvious he only needed to make the BD with his arms this time since he used it as a substitute for TSB.

Naruto's Avatar has nvr been seen using chakra arms while his KCM and BM or RSM mode never has

Yeah, and? I don't understand what this line means. Chakra arms = regular arms = avatar arms and there is zero difference between them when it comes to forming Naruto's techniques. Ashura Avatar has 3 arms - exactly the number required for both an FRS and a Mini BD - which are all used in the process. He can't make the same in a regular avatar because it lacks arms.

Also you are clearly ignoring he used TSB to form BD:FRS when there is clearly a TSB missing

Stop with this irrelevant to anything point. I'm fully aware he did use it and never denied it, but you somehow misunderstood that I did, when I clearly said "this scan proves he needs Kurama's help/chakra", while I never mentioned him doing it on his own. It was meant to prove all he needs is Kurama and a substitute for the TSB.

It's at VoTE you need to prove he did use one.

Lol its like you are saying Naruto cannot create Bijudama FRS or Chou Odama FRS via kurama avatar becoz he used it only in AA :|

When his normal Kurama Avatar grows chakra arms (which it hasn't shown to be able to do) then it can make those techniques. Since Ashura Avatar has all the merged clones' arms, it can. That's literally all the difference between one avatar's ability and the other's disability to make a COFRS/BDRS - the extra arms.

I still see no scan of a TSB being used (AT VOTE, NOT AGAINST MADARA), by the way.

Or his eyes were on cool down after using ameno on RSM naruto

Ameno doesn't go on cooldown after just one shift.

 

[King Of Pop]

And no, he can't shift with PS. He only did that with BPS.

warping comes from his rinnegan and he is the one who wields the chakra to use it. those bijuus chakra entered his ps not him so they should have nothing to do with him being able to warp his construct. only effect they can have is the distance he can warp which as we saw became larger.

 

[Ambivalence]

warping comes from his rinnegan and he is the one who wields the chakra to use it. those bijuus chakra entered his ps not him so they should have nothing to do with him being able to warp his construct. only effect they can have is the distance he can warp which as we saw became larger.

What do you mean it shouldn't have anything to do with him warping his construct when the chakra entered that exact same construct? After that happened, he could suddenly shift across mountain ranges and was the first time he demonstrated shifting with BPS. Too big of a coincidence.

Without an upgraded PS he hasn't ever shifted, so that's enough for me to not give him the benefit of doubt.

 

[BLAZE]

:lol Okay, mate, you need to start reading. Why are you repeating this irrelevant point when I've never denied he made them with TSB against Madara's CT? You're arguing about VoTE, then latched onto a scan I brought just so I could prove he needs Kurama and a core for the technique. Stop talking about Madara's case, when it's VoTE that proves he can use BDRS without a TSB, as I've already proven.

Go ahead and prove that Mini BD somehow differs from COR and COFRS so that it can't be made with an avatar, because it's obvious he only needed to make the BD with his arms this time since he used it as a substitute for TSB.

I still see no scan of a TSB being used (AT VOTE, NOT AGAINST MADARA), by the way.

So no proof you are just gonna gonna ignore he uses TSB for Bijuu dama FRS and say kurama avatar made it without help of Goudama despite it never making Bijuudama via hands

And what exactly is the issue, seeing as how Naruto was already shown using a COR with his and Minato's avatar? Is Naruto using his normal techniques with his avatar provided he has enough arms to form the technique news to you?

When his normal Kurama Avatar grows chakra arms (which it hasn't shown to be able to do) then it can make those techniques. Since Ashura Avatar has all the merged clones' arms, it can. That's literally all the difference between one avatar's ability and the other's disability to make a COFRS/BDRS - the extra arms.

okay

Because he also fired a COFRS with his Ashura Avatar - you know, a technique that also takes chakra arms to form.

It's at VoTE you need to prove he did use one.

Why won't he used Three arms to form Chou FRS and BD:FRS when used both with help Kurama here

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he uses exact same techs via asura avatar later on

Ameno doesn't go on cooldown after just one shift.

it happened here

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[DHOH]

What do you mean it shouldn't have anything to do with him warping his construct when the chakra entered that exact same construct? After that happened, he could suddenly shift across mountain ranges and was the first time he demonstrated shifting with BPS. Too big of a coincidence.

Without an upgraded PS he hasn't ever shifted, so that's enough for me to not give him the benefit of doubt.

The chakra powered up Susanoo not Sasuke's rinnegan.. Meaning Sasuke used Ameno with his own power..

 

[Ambivalence]

So no proof you are just gonna gonna ignore he uses TSB for Bijuu dama FRS and say kurama avatar made it without help of Goudama despite it never making Bijuudama via hands

"No proof", even though that's exactly what he did in VoTE, and I already explained how, not to mention your next point proves it completely. Lol at "never making BD via hands", when there's no need for more arms when he makes it via the avatar's mouth.

Why won't he used Three arms to form Chou FRS and BD:FRS when used both with help Kurama here (X) and here (X)
he uses exact same techs via asura avatar later on

Haha, thanks. This just proves my whole point:

- Naruto has 5 TSB before [

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- Naruto uses 2 as rods to pin down Zetsu [

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- Naruto still has 3 TSB when his clone already made BDRS [

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], instead of having two.

As for FRS, after gaining RSM he can make it with one arm, apparently, though it doesn't matter since COFRS hasn't been shown like that.

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Go through the chapters before, I really don't want to look up the scans, but he used Ameno multiple times before your scan: once to warp Kaguya in between him and Naruto, once to warp behind Naruto and stop him from flying back, once more before the Ice Dimension. So 3 times before the cooldown, don't know how you're making this up.

The chakra powered up Susanoo not Sasuke's rinnegan.. Meaning Sasuke used Ameno with his own power..

This doesn't matter, as Sasuke has never shifted across mountains, nor has he shifted with PS until BPS. Evidently, without the Biju, he can't and hasn't been shown to do either.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Lel if a gudo dama was needes for narutos final attack we wouldnt have seen it be generated out of nowhere.

2. PSs power level has nothing to do with Ameno. Sasuke not shifting earlier doesnt mean that he couldnt have done so earlier.

 

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Haha, thanks. This just proves my whole point:

- Naruto has 5 TSB before [

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- Naruto uses 2 as rods to pin down Zetsu [

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- Naruto still has 3 TSB when his clone already made BDRS [

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As for FRS, after gaining RSM he can make it with one arm, apparently, though it doesn't matter since COFRS hasn't been shown like that.

Lol are you confusing Ink:FRS via Gyuuki for BD:FRS xd becoz i don't see BD:FRS :|

 

[EZQ]

Lmao, that's such a cheap tactic, canon Sasuke's never doing that. :lol



What do you think he made in Ashura's Avatar's left hand? One was a BDRS, the other was a COFRS.



That's just freaking cheap.

Any hax ability is cheap. That's why i said Sasuke doesn't match Naruto in raw power, but he can use those tricks.

Wasn't it cheap when he stole the last portion of Kiuuby chakra at vote 2?

 

[Ambivalence]

^ Oh, right. Should've seen that watery substance next to it.

*Sigh* KidGamer has spoken, so I guess that's that. Though Sasuke using Ameno with regular PS... well, whatever.

Wasn't it cheap when he stole the last portion of Kiuuby chakra at vote 2?

Somehow it doesn't seem as cheap as warping next to Naruto hoping the blast will take them both out, but I see your point.