Lol did I claim Sasuke susanoo was called something other than majestic? Nope.. So what's your point?
So again.. You have no ideal what happened lol.
You've derailed the topic long enough.. Do you have counters or not?
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So again.. You have no ideal what happened lol.
You've derailed the topic long enough.. Do you have counters or not?
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You claimed that Sasuke can use the same Susano'o he used at VOTE without Biju chakra. This was proven wrong.
A human-like figure made of Biju chakra didn't appear inside his PS?
His PS did not gain wings made of lightning?
If that's what you're claiming, then you aren't in a position to call others ignorant.
Counters to what? I've already shot down this nonsense on Sasuke using Biju PS without the Biju.
If you want me to address the OP, Sasuke at most, equals Naruto without Asura Mode.
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Wait, what? This implies that you're suggesting Sasuke's chakra contribution to Indra's arrow equals to the entire natural energy of the world.
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Except Edo Madara lost. The only people who think he won are his stupid fans and people who can't understand the Manga for shit who do nothing but make bullshit excuses for why he didn't perform as well as they wanted him to. Madara was fighting to obtain his Senjutsu chakra. That's not him fighting to pass time. Edo Madara fought him off panel and ended up wrapped up about to be sealed. Nothing more needs to be said here.
Your cup in water example is stupid simply because you are comparing the filling of a container to a Ninja's arsenal. Naruto can gain all the Rasengan variants he wants, but he'll never move up in strength ranking like that because Kurama Avatar>>>All of those techniques. Being more well rounded doesn't make you more powerful overall.
And no, if he had absorbed that instead of using it all for Indra's Arrow Naruto would've raped him with his final attack.
It obviously doesn't because Sasuke had control over more Bijuu power than the amount that was being compared with the Kyuubi's power in the scan I linked.
Mhm? Where's the scan showing Edo Madara losing against Edo Hashirama?
Madara wasn't fighting Hashirama to obtain Senjutsu Chakra he was burning time to allow Naruto to weaken Obito because only after Obito was weakened enough he decided to counter attack and stabbed Hashirama with the rods to prep for his next move and you'd be an idiot to think Edo Madara was fighting Edo Hashirama seriously.
No, I'm comparing filling a cup to adding raw power and chakra to a shinobi's arsenal. That was EZQ's proposal to which you responded to by saying being more complete doesn't make you stronger which is illogical.
@Bold: If he absored it within himself he would have been a host of the Juubi's chakra, making him a Jinchuriki. Why do you think Kurama said the chakra collectively is on Hagoromo's level and that there isn't a Mazou to host the Chakra so Sasuke put it within Susano'o instead. Naruto wouldn't over power him. How powerful do you think Amenotijikara would or lets say his Rin'negan abilities would be hosting that Chakra and using it as fuel for his Jutsu? It would be wayy beyond and alot more complex than Indra's arrow.
Rikudo Sasuke + Hosting the Juubi's Chakra > Rikudo Naruto.
Why do you think Rikudo Naruto needed Sasuke's help to beat Jinchuriki Madara and in this case he'd have more chakra than Jin Madara because he'd have alot more of the Kyuubi's chakra [
Madara wasn't fighting Hashirama to obtain Senjutsu Chakra he was burning time to allow Naruto to weaken Obito because only after Obito was weakened enough he decided to counter attack and stabbed Hashirama with the rods to prep for his next move and you'd be an idiot to think Edo Madara was fighting Edo Hashirama seriously.
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No, I'm comparing filling a cup to adding raw power and chakra to a shinobi's arsenal. That was EZQ's proposal to which you responded to by saying being more complete doesn't make you stronger which is illogical.
@Bold: If he absored it within himself he would have been a host of the Juubi's chakra, making him a Jinchuriki. Why do you think Kurama said the chakra collectively is on Hagoromo's level and that there isn't a Mazou to host the Chakra so Sasuke put it within Susano'o instead. Naruto wouldn't over power him. How powerful do you think Amenotijikara would or lets say his Rin'negan abilities would be hosting that Chakra and using it as fuel for his Jutsu? It would be wayy beyond and alot more complex than Indra's arrow.
Rikudo Sasuke + Hosting the Juubi's Chakra > Rikudo Naruto.
Why do you think Rikudo Naruto needed Sasuke's help to beat Jinchuriki Madara and in this case he'd have more chakra than Jin Madara because he'd have alot more of the Kyuubi's chakra [
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Wrong. Madara already stated his reason for engaging Hashirama. I mean, really? If all you are going to do is bring out the same idiotic excuses Madara fans have been making since the chapter came out, so for 2 years now almost, there is no point in you continuing to reply.
-Madara states he's fighting Hashirama to gain his Senjutsu Chakra and defeat Obito himself.
-Madara fails to defeat Hashirama.
-Madara then sees that Naruto and co have defeated Obito, which is why he thanks them for weakening him so he wouldn't have to. Madara thanking him for doing his dirty work for him doesn't change what his original plan was nor does it even begin to imply that he purposely sat there and let them defeat Obito while pretending to lose to Hashirama.
No, EZQ's proposal was that Sasuke having the Six Paths Jutsu adds to his overall power which is false. What you are saying is something no one claimed or disputed.
Wow.
1. He said that his manipulation of the chakra is on Hagoromo's level.
2. Putting all that chakra into one attack is obviously going to make a blast far more powerful than anything Sasuke could do if he decided to put the chakra inside his body instead. His Rinnegan abilities would be nowhere near the level of Indra's Arrow had he done this since he wouldn't be using the entirety of his chakra to attack Naruto, which is what he did with Indra's Arrow. Only way you can begin to argue that his regular techs>Indra's Arrow is if you argue that he puts all his power into one tech, but even then you can't even support your point. Lol @ the mention of Ameno when at best it's range would increase, which doesn't help him at all here. Naruto would still overpower him.
3. And he's still missing the Mazo.
Rikudo Naruto w/ the world's Nature Energy>Sasuke w/ the Juubi's chakra>Regular Naruto. Why regular Naruto and regular Sasuke needed to team up to take Madara out doesn't even matter considering Naruto and Sasuke at that point couldn't use all their final techniques.
I asked for a scan showing Edo Madara losing against Edo Hashirama?
The reason I said you'd be an idiot to believe that Madara was fighting seriously is because I have proof that he wasn't fighting seriously and we all know what was happening off panel: They were sparring and near full power Hashirama was getting his ass beat and his body pinned like a pin doll. Not sure what you've been reading but Madara told Hashirama he was going to use his Sage chakra long after him simply craving to fight Hashirama and never directly stated that he only engaged him for that reason.
1 -> Yes all that Chakra combined together is on Hagoromo's level because of the obvious.
2 -> Using it as raw chakra is less effective than using it to fuel a Jutsu and the bold is more nonsense. Do you remember the scale of Shinra Tensei Nagato could produce with just his own Chakra? Imagine if Sasuke fueled Shinra Tensei with the Bijuu's Chakra: Naruto and a piece of the earth would be history and that supersedes Indra's Arrow. If Ameno's radius is increased and Chakra consumption is no longer an issue then Sasuke wouldn't need to deflect Naruto's last attack, he'd simply have slam the BDFRS into Naruto by swapping their positions.
3 -> Don't mention it. It's an empty shell that can gather Natural energy; that's all.
And @ Red:
The reason I said you'd be an idiot to believe that Madara was fighting seriously is because I have proof that he wasn't fighting seriously and we all know what was happening off panel: They were sparring and near full power Hashirama was getting his ass beat and his body pinned like a pin doll. Not sure what you've been reading but Madara told Hashirama he was going to use his Sage chakra long after him simply craving to fight Hashirama and never directly stated that he only engaged him for that reason.
1 -> Yes all that Chakra combined together is on Hagoromo's level because of the obvious.
2 -> Using it as raw chakra is less effective than using it to fuel a Jutsu and the bold is more nonsense. Do you remember the scale of Shinra Tensei Nagato could produce with just his own Chakra? Imagine if Sasuke fueled Shinra Tensei with the Bijuu's Chakra: Naruto and a piece of the earth would be history and that supersedes Indra's Arrow. If Ameno's radius is increased and Chakra consumption is no longer an issue then Sasuke wouldn't need to deflect Naruto's last attack, he'd simply have slam the BDFRS into Naruto by swapping their positions.
3 -> Don't mention it. It's an empty shell that can gather Natural energy; that's all.
And @ Red:
@ Blue:
VoTE-2 Sasuke hosting the Bijuu's chakra > VoTE 2 Naruto w/ earths Shizen Enerugi > VoTE-2 Sasuke controlling the Bijuu's chakra and it does Matter for the simple fact that Sasuke and Naruto each represented a half of what Hagoromo is worth while Madara represents a whole
1/2 + 1/2 = whole.
Sasuke hosting the Bijuu's chakra + having the Rin'negan would make him as Hagoromo was while Naruto by himself only represents half.
VoTE-2 Sasuke hosting the Bijuu's chakra > VoTE 2 Naruto w/ earths Shizen Enerugi > VoTE-2 Sasuke controlling the Bijuu's chakra and it does Matter for the simple fact that Sasuke and Naruto each represented a half of what Hagoromo is worth while Madara represents a whole
1/2 + 1/2 = whole.
Sasuke hosting the Bijuu's chakra + having the Rin'negan would make him as Hagoromo was while Naruto by himself only represents half.
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Just go look at the scan of Madara wrapped up, immobilized by Hashirama's jutsu while Hashirama himself was still mobile. You have zero proof that he was fighting seriously. It's just blind fanboyism like it always is when it comes to excuses fans make for their characters underperforming. Madara fans love to wank his Rinnegan yet he said PS was his full power. Hashirama matched that with Mokujin alone let alone SS. Edo Madara isn't even on Hashirama's level at full power let alone capable of defeating him while messing around.
-They were fighting.
-Hashirama got stuck 6 times.
-Madara got immobilized.
-Hashirama was still able to move.
-Their Avatars were tied.
Wonder who won? :lol Either that or it's a tie.
They are equal in power. Fact as their strongest techniques matched each other. (not counting SS since it's debatable whether or not he can use it) Hashirama bound Madara. Fact. The bold is probably the dumbest portion of this post. Him wanting to fight Hashirama doesn't change the fact that he engaged him for a specific reason. A chapter after engaging him he says that there is no time and that there is something he needs to do. Doesn't take a genius to determine what that is. Then we have the fact that this doesn't change the fact that he was fighting to get his sage power, and to do that he has to subdue Hashirama, meaning I have zero reason to believe he wasn't fighting as hard as he could. I mean, this is post 2 and you still have nothing backed by real facts so I don't expect anything at all.
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Does all that chakra put Sasuke on regular Hagoromo's level? Sure. Does that make him stronger than Naruto w/ Nature Energy? No.
Bold is nothing but a baseless assumption. You don't even have a measure for proving or supporting that Shinra Tensei+Bijuu Chakra=Attack far stronger than Indra's Arrow. Just a baseless assumption. If Ameno's radius is increased and that is what he does with it:
-You prove the point that he can't overpower Naruto.
-It blows up and he gets caught anyway so this doesn't even matter. :lol
I'm going to go ahead and say no for all the reasons listed above and below. Sasuke and Naruto being half and half doesn't make VoTE 2 Sasuke w/ the Bijuu inside him stronger than he is with the Bijuu inside of his Susanoo. At best he can only pour all that power into his final attack and create his own Indra's Arrow, but other than that, you are 100% wrong.
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And please learn how to read.
This isn't what I was addressing when I said more complete, and simply reading the first few sentences after my initial statement would pretty much clear up any dumb misconception you may have.
You're wrong, have been wrong and will always be wrong and trying to twist what actually happened in the Manga isn't going to make you right. Hashirama himself acknowledged the fact that even with Naruto's help they couldn't beat Edo Madara
So they opt for completely immobilizing and trying to seal him which still failed and Madara wasn't even taking them seriously. If he wasn't sure that he would have escaped why do you think he thanked Naruto for weakening Obito? Obviously because that's all he was waiting for to counter attack. It's clear, you're unable to read and comprehend drawings. We see Hashirama panting and exhausted several times [
-> 1) All that Chakra can't put Sasuke on Hagoromo's level because Hagoromo had the FULL Kyuubi's chakra + Naruto's Power.
-> 2) This is the AOE and damage level of CST with Nagato using his Chakra:
If Sasuke fueled the Bijuu's chakra into that attack; it'd do more damage than Indra's arrow.
-> 3) Swapping their position's ≠ him not being able to over power Naruto and what is he going to get caught into when he has numerous way's to evade/defend against the blast. The only thing I did prove is that Naruto gets severely damaged by his own technique.
-> 4) Sasuke Hosting the Bijuu Chakra and using it to fuel his jutsu gives him a larger more versatile and powerful skill set as opposed to using the Raw chakra as Raw chakra. So no, his best wouldn't be Indra's arrow because Indra's arrow is only his best while controlling the Chakra.
@ Blue: Lol. This really show's how ignorant and idiotic you really are. Sasuke with the Bijuu's power isn't on Hagoromo's level because, he's only comparable because Hagoromo had all of Sasuke's power + The Bijuu's + His 50% Kurama and all of Naruto's Power + His 50% Kurama. Anyone who wields the Rin'negan and host's or control's an amount of the Bijuu's power can be compared to Hagoromo but that doesn't mean they were at his level.
@ Green: Where's the scan saying it carries some immense life-force that Sasuke was missing and what does that have to do with anything? The shell is irrelevant. It's a shell used to host the Bijuu's chakra that can gather Shizen Enerugi; that's it and nothing more so I'd advise you not to mention it anymore.
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So they opt for completely immobilizing and trying to seal him which still failed and Madara wasn't even taking them seriously. If he wasn't sure that he would have escaped why do you think he thanked Naruto for weakening Obito? Obviously because that's all he was waiting for to counter attack. It's clear, you're unable to read and comprehend drawings. We see Hashirama panting and exhausted several times [
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] and Madara not even breaking a sweat or feeling threatening by anything that was going on because he was beating the crap out of Hashirama and pinning him with chakra rods.You're subpar Madara fan because you don't know the apex of his abilities and I thought you were a sturdy Hashirama fan but I was wrong there too, it's clear you suck at representing him as well. -> 1) All that Chakra can't put Sasuke on Hagoromo's level because Hagoromo had the FULL Kyuubi's chakra + Naruto's Power.
-> 2) This is the AOE and damage level of CST with Nagato using his Chakra:
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If Sasuke fueled the Bijuu's chakra into that attack; it'd do more damage than Indra's arrow.
-> 3) Swapping their position's ≠ him not being able to over power Naruto and what is he going to get caught into when he has numerous way's to evade/defend against the blast. The only thing I did prove is that Naruto gets severely damaged by his own technique.
-> 4) Sasuke Hosting the Bijuu Chakra and using it to fuel his jutsu gives him a larger more versatile and powerful skill set as opposed to using the Raw chakra as Raw chakra. So no, his best wouldn't be Indra's arrow because Indra's arrow is only his best while controlling the Chakra.
@ Blue: Lol. This really show's how ignorant and idiotic you really are. Sasuke with the Bijuu's power isn't on Hagoromo's level because, he's only comparable because Hagoromo had all of Sasuke's power + The Bijuu's + His 50% Kurama and all of Naruto's Power + His 50% Kurama. Anyone who wields the Rin'negan and host's or control's an amount of the Bijuu's power can be compared to Hagoromo but that doesn't mean they were at his level.
@ Green: Where's the scan saying it carries some immense life-force that Sasuke was missing and what does that have to do with anything? The shell is irrelevant. It's a shell used to host the Bijuu's chakra that can gather Shizen Enerugi; that's it and nothing more so I'd advise you not to mention it anymore.
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Defeat=Seal in that context Waltz. Do us both a favor and learn how to read the Manga. Not sure how many times I have to tell you this before you decide to take my advice. Hashirama can't seal so he couldn't finish Madara. Doesn't change the fact that he overpowered him and had him bound prior to Naruto's attack. A simple fact you, and every other Madara fanboy for that matter, seems to ignore.
Bolded is the opinion of a fanboy, one I don't care for. The rest here has been addressed.
Him being sure that he'll escape is irrelevant to him fighting Hashirama and failing to gain his Senjutsu Chakra. Him having a contingency plan doesn't change the fact that he was trying to get Hashirama's Senjutsu Chakra. He was sure he would escape because Obito was weakened and BZ was on the move.
I mean, how stupid is your argumentation going to get? The fact I have to explain this is pretty mind boggling.
-Madara states he wants to get Hashirama's Senjutsu.
-Madara engages Hashirama at full power (Perfect Susanoo)
-The best he can do is match him and Hashirama isn't even using his full power.
-Bijuu Dama blows them up.
-Then they fight without PS/Mokujin and Hashirama binds him.
And hey, you know, maybe he thanked Naruto because...well...BECAUSE HE WEAKENED OBITO. Him thanking Naruto isn't evidence that he was waiting for Naruto to do this all along, because he wasn't counting on Naruto's crew defeating Obito. That's why he engaged Hashirama himself, said HE. CAN'T. WAIT. ANY. LONGER. And then told him that HE. NEEDS. HIS. SENJUTSU CHAKRA. BEFORE THE 15 MINUTES ARE UP. Madara was working on a time limit yet you are dumb enough to sit here and tell me that he was messing around. :lol Waltz, really now?
No, that'd just be you twisting what is stated into something that fulfills your little wank fantasy of Madara's power.
Lol I'm a fan of no character, and that's why I can read the Manga without twisting it like you enjoy doing every time you make a post. How moronic, deluded and idiotic do you have to be to argue anything in this paragraph?
-Hashirama is panting because he can't mold chakra because of Madara's rods.
-You say he was beating the crap out of Hashirama and pinning him with rods, yet somehow the guy doing the beating ended up bound while Hashirama was still mobile. :lol So much for Hashirama getting his ass beat. If Hashirama could seal Madara would've lost the moment he couldn't even move due to Mokuryu. Only reason Madara survived is because he has no sealing jutsu, shown in the Manga. What isn't supported or shown is the idiotic belief that Madara was playing around.
You Madara fanboys are definitely one of the worst kind of poster on this site if not the worst. Always making dumb excuses because their character wasn't shown to be a god when he actually got the opportunity to use full power.
-Madara stated his full power is PS.
-His full power matched something that isn't Hashirama's full power.
Stop whining and do the fucking math.
Having Naruto's power is irrelevant because Sasuke is half and Naruto is half. That chakra fills up the other half that Sasuke is missing. Hagoromo w/ Kurama is irrelevant because they only reach regular Hagoromo's level which is exactly who we are talking about.
Based on nothing. Again. Waltz. If you don't have evidence to prove your claim then do me a favor and just shut the hell up. :lol Because I don't care for your conjecture.
No, you proved that they both get caught in the explosion of that technique, meaning they both take heavy damage. The rest is irrelevant. If you are arguing that Sasuke runs away from Naruto's attack (which is pretty much impossible since he can detonate his RS at will, see YRS vs. Shinju) then how does that make him equal? How does he overpower Naruto? :lol
Oh wait, I know.
He doesn't.
More versatile? No, because his skillset remains the same. The only thing that changes is that his skillset gets stronger. Does that matter though? No, because the power up he gets for his Ninjutsu will never be anything compared to all that power focused into the form of Indra's Arrow. Ever. There's nothing you can do to even support your argument so you can stop trying to argue now.
Lol what in the hell are you talking about? Hagoromo as a Juubi's Jinchuuriki isn't what is being discussed here. Please read before your dumbass replies. Though you'd probably have to take your head out of your ass before you can read the Manga. Jesus. The Hagoromo who gave Naruto and Sasuke his power did not have the Juubi thus there is no reason for you to mention him here.
Like I said before. That fancy font doesn't hide how terrible of a poster you really are. So whether you are trolling or not, let's just cut the bullshit. :lol
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You're a dumbass but you amuse me. How da fuck is Defeat going to= seal when Naruto threw a FRS? Is Hashirama too stupid to know the difference between a Rasengan and a Fuuinjutsu? stop trying to make up petty excuses and I suggest you thoroughly think things through before responding to my posts because I certainly do; that's how you evade looking like a dumbass: by thinking things through thoroughly. The bold in the first paragraph mean's absolutely nothing because again, Hashirama himself acknowledged the fact that they couldn't beat Madara and had to opt for sealing him which still failed, that's Manga fact so stop trying to twist it with your trashy reasoning and opinions.
Him being certain he would escape can't be irrelevant if Hashirama and company were actually a prohibiting factor as you're suggesting so saying it's irrelevant doesn't help your argument in any literal context. Madara having a contingency plan and trying to get Hashirama's Senjutsu has nothing to do with one another. Btw, the red is nothing but personal belief you're trying to pass off as facts when the Manga already showed what happened: Madara didn't resist or attempt to resist or counter anything they were throwing at him despite having the potential to do so and only decided to counter attack after Obito was weak enough for the switch which happened to be the very moment they were trying to seal him.
Madara being bound doesn't mean anything if he purposefully wasn't performing any counter attacks. If Madara was indeed at a last whim there are more than one ways he could have escaped the situation and there would have been some Manga implication of that being the case (all I've received is your failing propositions of what actually happened when what the manga show's refutes it) fact is, there were no such implications and he didn't even have to go to those extents because that was obviously not the case.
-> Except you forgot that Madara had no Idea Hashirama was entering the war. The whole thing about wanting his Senjutsu only came about after the fact that Obito being the Jinchuriki may have anticipated him planning to use Black Zetsu as a trump card to be revived and regain the Juubi. That happened after him wanting to fight with Hashirama.
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-> Ok.
-> He was taking advantage of Hashirama, If Hashirama and him were on par Madara would have also been exhausted and he would have never been able to pin him like a doll.
-> Yeah the BD blowed them up.
-> Madara spars with Hashirama, pinned him with Chakra rods, Absorbed some of his Chakra with Preta and exhausted him completely then acknowledged the fact that even with Naruto's help they couldn't beat Edo Madara and opted for sealing him which still failed. Don't try to twist things.
If he wanted to weakened Obito himself that's what he would have been doing but he couldn't risk
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...The Kyuubi compared all the Bijuu Chakra being combined as one to being Hagoromo's level; the only time Hagoromo had all the Bijuu's chakra combined as one is when he was a Jinchuuriki. Maybe you're talking about regular Hagoromo or the ethereal wisp that time traveled to to grant Naruto and Sasuke powers but the Manga and I are are talking about and comparing Hagoromo with the Bijuu's chakra combined.
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Then Kurama went on to say he's doing the exact opposite because Hagoromo as a jinchuuriki split the Juubi's Chakra he was hosting into the Bijuu using Banbutsu Sozo.
It doing more damage than Indra's arrow is based on the fact that the Bijuu's chakra combined is hundreds of times more than the amount of Chakra Nagato could put into CST and if Nagato's CST Did Damage on that level, which is to some extent as the explosion between Indra's arrow and the BDFRS then a CST fueled with the Bijuu's chakra would be many times more powerful or did you forget that with the Bijuu's chakra Hagoromo created the Moon. With some common sense you could have thought that through.
KG, The Indra's arrow + BDFRS explosion is what Damaged them; If Naruto is slammed into his BDFRS then he's taking all the Damage especially since Sasuke could easily evade with Amenotijikara who's radius is now far greater and Chakra consumption is no longer an Issue and that's just one way he can evade the blast range and Shockwave.
Swapping Naruto and running away from the attack are two totally different things dude. Amenotijikara is a technique, Running away is trying to evade. Why do I have to explain this to you? Oh right....your logic is stupendously horrid. Using your jutsu to your advantage in order to harm your opponent isn't the same as running away.
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You have no ideal how much Senjutsu chakra it takes to power up the humanoid Susanoo..
What we do know is:
1. The Susanoo is powered up by Senjutsu. Coming from all the bijuu, Naruto or Sasuke is irrelevant. It's still power up by Senjutsu only, not bijuu.
2.we know that Sasuke was weaken each time before absorbing Senjutsu from another Source.
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It's painful how retarded this guy is tbh.
Defeat=Seal because he's an Edo. If you think they were trying to fucking KILL AN EDO TENSEI then you are an even more desperate troll than I initially thought. :lol None of the the rest of this addresses the actual point. It's you trying to imply that they were trying to fucking kill an immortal zombie with regenerative capabilities. :lol
Fact of the matter is, they fought solo and guess who ended up immobile? Madara. Fact of the matter is, they fought solo and Madara's full power was matched by something tiers below Hashirama's full power. A fact you fanboys love to ignore. Fact of the matter is, you are a desparate wanker.
Lol what a disgusting fanboy. Madara not resisting is, of course, based on nothing considering he had an off panel struggle with Hashirama that ended in him being bound. :lol Madara didn't resist when he was bound both times because he couldn't. Simple as that.
-Can't prove the first sentence.
-Don't care about your opinions so there is nothing more to say here. Manga shows that Madara at full power tied Hashirama w/o his full power. Manga shows that Madara got bound. End of story.
-So is the second sentence because this not being Madara's original plan doesn't change the fact that it became his new plan, and he fought Hashirama to get his power but failed.
-He pinned him with rods while Madara ended up bound by Mokuryu. End of the fight for dominance. Madara is bound. Hashirama is not. The only reason Madara survived after that point is because Hashirama couldn't seal him due to the lack of sealing jutsu appropriate for the situation. Don't try to twist things kiddo. It's getting pretty pathetic at this point.
Well, I don't even need to assume. Because it's clear that you are.
Defeat=Seal because he's an Edo. If you think they were trying to fucking KILL AN EDO TENSEI then you are an even more desperate troll than I initially thought. :lol None of the the rest of this addresses the actual point. It's you trying to imply that they were trying to fucking kill an immortal zombie with regenerative capabilities. :lol
Fact of the matter is, they fought solo and guess who ended up immobile? Madara. Fact of the matter is, they fought solo and Madara's full power was matched by something tiers below Hashirama's full power. A fact you fanboys love to ignore. Fact of the matter is, you are a desparate wanker.
Nope. Hashirama and co. being a prohibiting factor doesn't matter because they couldn't seal him, thus they can't stop him before BZ did his part. His contingency plan is the Senjutsu you moron. :lol He failed to get the Juubi via rod control so he fell back on gaining Senjutsu to weaken Obito and force Black Zetsu himself to possess Obito. The latter part of that is the trump card.
Lol what a disgusting fanboy. Madara not resisting is, of course, based on nothing considering he had an off panel struggle with Hashirama that ended in him being bound. :lol Madara didn't resist when he was bound both times because he couldn't. Simple as that.
-Can't prove the first sentence.
-Don't care about your opinions so there is nothing more to say here. Manga shows that Madara at full power tied Hashirama w/o his full power. Manga shows that Madara got bound. End of story.
-First sentence is irrelevant to anything stated here.
-So is the second sentence because this not being Madara's original plan doesn't change the fact that it became his new plan, and he fought Hashirama to get his power but failed.
-Nope. Based on nothing again. Why the hell would an Edo Tensei w/ unlimited chakra be exhausted? Do you even read before you make these shitty posts? Hashirama was exhausted because he couldn't mold chakra. Madara wasn't because he was bound. You keep on crying about how Madara took advantage of Hashirama and how he let himself get bound but was actually raping Hashirama even though none of this actually happened or will ever happen outside your wet dreams. Another issue with the Madara fapboy's nonsense logic is that they say Madara was beating Hashirama, but he has no reason to let himself get defeated against Hashirama. Put that on top of the fact that you have no evidence for any of your claims and that's a wrap for your argument.
-He pinned him with rods while Madara ended up bound by Mokuryu. End of the fight for dominance. Madara is bound. Hashirama is not. The only reason Madara survived after that point is because Hashirama couldn't seal him due to the lack of sealing jutsu appropriate for the situation. Don't try to twist things kiddo. It's getting pretty pathetic at this point.
No, he wanted to weaken Obito himself but he couldn't due to the lack of Senjutsu. That's why he engaged Hashirama to take his Senjutsu, to defeat Obito before Obito could stop him from using BZ to gain the Juubi. Please stop being stupid and start reading the Manga.
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huh? Sasuke said that his MERGER of the chakra matches Hagoromo's SEPARATION OF THE CHAKRA. I.E THE ACTION.. THE ACTION. Sasuke himself is not at JJ Hagoromo's level. The bold doesn't even begin to make sense. All the Bijuu chakra together isn't on JJ Hagoromo's level because Hagoromo+Juubi's chakra=Prime Hagoromo. If I wanted to use this shit logic Juubito would be on par with Hagoromo even though he's levels above JJ Madara who only matches regular Hagoromo. First of all the man who gave Naruto and Sasuke their powers did not have the Juubi as Madara had it at the time. Thus Naruto and Sasuke are half of Hagoromo w/o the Juubi.Addressed.
Still no evidence besides you saying it's stronger so I'll take that concession now. Hagoromo being able to do X w/ his power+the bijuu's power=/=Someone weaker being able to do the same thing. Not to mention the Moon was made after the Juubi was split, not before. So try again.
No, if Naruto is slammed into the BDFRS he's not taking all the damage as Sasuke is still caught in the blast, and since you have no proof his radius would even grow let alone grow to the point where he can dodge the blast zone completely I'll just assume you are making more bullshit up.
Well, I don't even need to assume. Because it's clear that you are.
Except swapping Naruto doesn't result in an evasion as he can't actually evade the technique. :lol So much for the claim that Sasuke w/ raw power matching Naruto's surpasses him. :lol
I'll be staying on point. Again, if Defeat = Seal:
Is Hashirama too stupid to know the difference between a Rasengan and Fuuinjutsu or are you too stupid to know the definition of defeat and the fact that its completely unrelated to the definition of seal? You should read a dictionary, Kid.
You agree that they couldn't seal him and you agree that they couldn't stop him anyway's which has been my point all along: Madara had everything under control and him not resisting is based on a lot you idiot because he could have had black Zetsu control Hashirama before he even made the Mokuryu or he could have
This is when he decided to counter attack:
Again as I said, it happened to be the very moment they were trying to seal him but still failed. Rethink anything you think you know about reading comprehension, boy.
"He tried to fight Hashirama for his power but failed" Yet Madara pinned his ass like a doll and and still succeeded to take his power. Lel wanker in denial. You ride Hashi's tip better than chicks on xhamster. Read the Manga. This was when Madara first wanted to fight Hashirama [
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Is Hashirama too stupid to know the difference between a Rasengan and Fuuinjutsu or are you too stupid to know the definition of defeat and the fact that its completely unrelated to the definition of seal? You should read a dictionary, Kid.
You agree that they couldn't seal him and you agree that they couldn't stop him anyway's which has been my point all along: Madara had everything under control and him not resisting is based on a lot you idiot because he could have had black Zetsu control Hashirama before he even made the Mokuryu or he could have
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through it. What part of this didn't you understand lel:
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This is when he decided to counter attack:
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Again as I said, it happened to be the very moment they were trying to seal him but still failed. Rethink anything you think you know about reading comprehension, boy.
"He tried to fight Hashirama for his power but failed" Yet Madara pinned his ass like a doll and and still succeeded to take his power. Lel wanker in denial. You ride Hashi's tip better than chicks on xhamster. Read the Manga. This was when Madara first wanted to fight Hashirama [
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] and it had nothing to do with Senjutsu he simply wanted the thrill of the sport; The whole thing about Senjutsu only came about after obito becoming Jinchuriki as Madara himself explained; that wasn't the reason he wanted to fight Hashriama to begin with.
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He was exhausted. If he couldn't mould Chakra at that point then he wouldn't be able to make the Mokuryu or Myōjinmon.
Why are you repeating to me what I just said to you? I literally just said the whole thing about Obtaining Senjutsu arose because Obito became Jinchuriki and may have anticipated his plan to use black zetsu as a trump card to be revived and regain the Juubi plus again what you fail to realize is that Madara had eyes on the fight the whole time and saw Naruto and company taking Obito down.
The only time Hagoromo separated the Bijuu's Chakra using Banbutsu Sozo was as the Juubi's jinchuriki and everyone one who's read the Manga knows that anyone who's been host of the Juubi's chakra has been compared to the Rikudo Sennin and it cannot mean him outside of being a Jinchuriki because in that state he never hosted the juubi's chakra so the comparison would make absolutely no sense just as you make absolutely no sense.
@ CST: And.....you're a illiterate. If Nagato's chakra is 100 and that was the max effect he could produce with CST and the combined chakra of the Bijuu's is 1,000,000 the it means that the effect of CST would be multiplied to that level. straighten out whatever dumb logic resides in your brain and put things together. I keep telling you to think things through before responding to my post to avoid looking like a dumbass. Yes the moon was made after the split when Hagoromo already had the Juubi's chakra sealed inside of him and was a Jinchuuriki
@ CST: And.....you're a illiterate. If Nagato's chakra is 100 and that was the max effect he could produce with CST and the combined chakra of the Bijuu's is 1,000,000 the it means that the effect of CST would be multiplied to that level. straighten out whatever dumb logic resides in your brain and put things together. I keep telling you to think things through before responding to my post to avoid looking like a dumbass. Yes the moon was made after the split when Hagoromo already had the Juubi's chakra sealed inside of him and was a Jinchuuriki
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Say's this after he himself said the radius would grow:
Not worth a response: Why should I even take you seriously?
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Dude listen to yourself, just listen to yourself. You're saying that if Sasuke, Who has the Rin'negan's abilities, Space-Time Ninjutsu, The Eternal Magekyo Sharingan had the full worth of the Bijuu's Chakra to put towards these abilities that he couldn't evade or defend against the explosion of Naruto being slammed into his own BDFRS. Same Sasuke who without all of this escaped C0. You're a joke :lol
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Sorry buddy. Edo Tensei can't be killed, so they weren't aiming to kill him. FRS didn't beat him because FRS can't kill a fucking immortal. Did Madara end up bound against Hashirama though? Yes, he did.
No, they stopped him. They couldn't seal him but he was bound and the only reason he broke free is because BZ had Obito cast Rinne Tensei. The rest are just your annoying little opinions, ones I don't care for.
He decided to counterattack then because that is the only time he could've counter attacked. :lol His counter attack doesn't start unless he can be revived and he can't be revived unless BZ gets Obito. If BZ hadn't done shit, Madara would go down in history as the legendary shinobi slapped by his rival yet again only to be sealed by the fodder Sai. :lol
-Madara only got his power after being restored by Rinne Tensei while Hashirama was weakened from already defeating Madara as an Edo. So all you've managed to show is that Madara can defeat Hashirama after weakening him, being beaten himself, and then returning to full power. :lol :lol Fanboys kill me. Then we have the fact that Madara's full power matched something that isn't Hashirama's full power, thus Hashirama at full power rapes your favorite kiddo. Learn to deal with it.
-Yes you stupid fuck. Madara originally wanted to fight him for fun, but switched up because after that Obito became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki. :lol Something I've already stated myself. Something that doesn't even begin to change your point.
xhamster? So that'd be where you search up your little Madara cartoon porn. :lol Your insults are just like your arguments. Worthless garbage.
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Lol how stupid do you sound claiming that an EDO TENSEI was panting in exhaustion? :lol Never get caught slipping stupid kid. Never.
"These spikes have been forced through our pressure points, which means the chances of us being able to mould chakra are probably nil"
All him being able to use those jutsu means is that the effect hadn't reached the point where Hashirama would be left useless. Please don't try to argue that a zombie with unlimited stamina ran out of chakra from using Ninjutsu that are nowhere near his full powers. :lol
Irrelevant. The action is what Kurama referred to. That's a fact. Hagoromo being the Jin is irrelevant because Hagoromo's actual power level was never a factor of comparison. Fact. What you are saying here doesn't even begin to make sense. When a Juubi's Jincuuriki is compared to Hagoromo (an irrelevant notion to bring up as that is not a scenario being discussed here) it's because getting the Juubi grants you the same power Hagoromo has with or without the Juubi. Six Paths Senjutsu.
-Hagoromo had Gudo Dama before and after the Juubi. That's his natural power. Hagoromo can float post Juubi. That's his natural power. Try reading the databook, the Manga and stop wanking off to Madara when you type. K?
And please stop mentioning Hagoromo. The Moon was made after the split. Hagoromo removed the Juubi from himself and made the Bijuu then he put the Mazo in the Moon using CT. That's his power, not the Bijuu's power. Not to mention Chibaku Tensei=/=CST. Hagoromo being able to make a Moon sized CT with his own power doesn't mean that Sasuke can make a Moon Sized CST with the Bijuu's chakra.
If you don't bother providing evidence for your point every comment you make on this particular point is just going to be erased and ignored.
But what do the terms "proof" and "evidence" mean to a retarded troll? :lol Go back to PuppyDogGeneral. At least when you said stupid shit 24/7 no one cared because we figured you weren't serious. :lol
Lol how stupid do you sound claiming that an EDO TENSEI was panting in exhaustion? :lol Never get caught slipping stupid kid. Never.
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"These spikes have been forced through our pressure points, which means the chances of us being able to mould chakra are probably nil"
All him being able to use those jutsu means is that the effect hadn't reached the point where Hashirama would be left useless. Please don't try to argue that a zombie with unlimited stamina ran out of chakra from using Ninjutsu that are nowhere near his full powers. :lol
This has been addressed.
Irrelevant. The action is what Kurama referred to. That's a fact. Hagoromo being the Jin is irrelevant because Hagoromo's actual power level was never a factor of comparison. Fact. What you are saying here doesn't even begin to make sense. When a Juubi's Jincuuriki is compared to Hagoromo (an irrelevant notion to bring up as that is not a scenario being discussed here) it's because getting the Juubi grants you the same power Hagoromo has with or without the Juubi. Six Paths Senjutsu.
-Hagoromo had Gudo Dama before and after the Juubi. That's his natural power. Hagoromo can float post Juubi. That's his natural power. Try reading the databook, the Manga and stop wanking off to Madara when you type. K?
Lol. You are saying "think things through" because you want me to agree with your point with no argument because you know that if you have to argue this point you will fail (as you already have) as you can't prove that CST gets stronger than Indra's Arrow. Like a stupid broken record you keep bitching about how it gets stronger even though that's not the question I asked. I asked how does it become stronger than INDRA'S ARROW?
And please stop mentioning Hagoromo. The Moon was made after the split. Hagoromo removed the Juubi from himself and made the Bijuu then he put the Mazo in the Moon using CT. That's his power, not the Bijuu's power. Not to mention Chibaku Tensei=/=CST. Hagoromo being able to make a Moon sized CT with his own power doesn't mean that Sasuke can make a Moon Sized CST with the Bijuu's chakra.
If you don't bother providing evidence for your point every comment you make on this particular point is just going to be erased and ignored.
I said AT BEST it'd grow. Never said it'd grow for sure. That's up to you to prove.
But what do the terms "proof" and "evidence" mean to a retarded troll? :lol Go back to PuppyDogGeneral. At least when you said stupid shit 24/7 no one cared because we figured you weren't serious. :lol
This is just another example of shitty logic. Come back when you can actually prove what you are saying because while Hebi Sasuke and VoTE 2 Sasuke aren't comparable, C0 and Dual FRS w/ NE aren't comparable so you sound stupid as usual. We all know how much of a garbage poster you are anyway so I can't be surprised.