Sasuke counter to AA

[KidGamer65]

1-Naruto's raw power with NE > Anything Sasuke can pull of without the bijuus

2-Sasuke has the ability to open portals to other dimensions. Teleport. Absorb chakra, control gravity and other rinnegan techniques, which Naruto doesn't have.

If you give Sasuke the same ammount of raw power Naruto has, he ends up being even more complete than Naruto, not equal to him.

Being more complete is irrelevant to strength so I still have no idea what argument you think you are making here, and even then Naruto's other abilities evens out the other abilities Sasuke has. If you think that because Sasuke can use the Six Paths Jutsu and teleport between dimensions thus he's equal to Naruto based on feats then I'll tell you that you don't make sense now. Your argument is basically that Sasuke's Rinnegan makes up in hax what Sasuke is missing in power even though it doesn't. :lol

Sasuke had all these abilities at VoTE minus dimension teleportation yet he's not equal to Naruto without the Bijuu.

 

[Ansatsuken]

1-Naruto's raw power with NE > Anything Sasuke can pull of without the bijuus

2-Sasuke has the ability to open portals to other dimensions. Teleport. Absorb chakra, control gravity and other rinnegan techniques, which Naruto doesn't have.

If you give Sasuke the same ammount of raw power Naruto has, he ends up being even more complete than Naruto, not equal to him.

Like KG said complete mean nothing here.

If we can see their battle much longer than what actually happen in manga after Sasuke absorb Bijuu chakra and Naruto absorb NE, Naruto still having an edge compare to Sasuke in long run.

 

[King Of Pop]

Like KG said complete mean nothing here.

If we can see their battle much longer than what actually happen in manga after Sasuke absorb Bijuu chakra and Naruto absorb NE, Naruto still having an edge compare to Sasuke in long run.

no, he doesnt have any edge after the bold happens

 

[NarutoX28]

It makes me wonder if Rikudou Sasuke could eventually absorb chakra from RSM Naruto and amp his Susano'o to a level on par with RSM Naruto's NE Enhanced Kurama Avatar.

 

[Chaosmark101]

It makes me wonder if Rikudou Sasuke could eventually absorb chakra from RSM Naruto and amp his Susano'o to a level on par with RSM Naruto's NE Enhanced Kurama Avatar.

Like his Rikudo senjutsu?

 

[EZQ]

Like KG said complete mean nothing here.

If we can see their battle much longer than what actually happen in manga after Sasuke absorb Bijuu chakra and Naruto absorb NE, Naruto still having an edge compare to Sasuke in long run.

Being more complete is irrelevant to strength so I still have no idea what argument you think you are making here, and even then Naruto's other abilities evens out the other abilities Sasuke has. If you think that because Sasuke can use the Six Paths Jutsu and teleport between dimensions thus he's equal to Naruto based on feats then I'll tell you that you don't make sense now. Your argument is basically that Sasuke's Rinnegan makes up in hax what Sasuke is missing in power even though it doesn't. :lol

Sasuke had all these abilities at VoTE minus dimension teleportation yet he's not equal to Naruto without the Bijuu.

-Sasuke DOES NOT have as much raw power as Naruto as far as we know.

-We know for a fact that they're equal

-Raw power is not everything here

-"even then Naruto's other abilities evens out the other abilities Sasuke has" Nope, Naruto doesn't.

So, you're basically saying that because they're equal, they both have the same raw power? Lol, what does that mean? If you put them in they same situation and they both have the same raw power, Sasuke will always be victorious because he can use the other jutsus i mentioned, while Naruto can't

KG: I don't know what kind of bullshit did i just read in the bold. So sasuke's rinnegan jutsus (that naruto can't perform) are not a part of his strenght? lmao.

 

[KidGamer65]

-Sasuke DOES NOT have as much raw power as Naruto as far as we know.

-We know for a fact that they're equal

-Raw power is not everything here

-"even then Naruto's other abilities evens out the other abilities Sasuke has" Nope, Naruto doesn't.

So, you're basically saying that because they're equal, they both have the same raw power? Lol, what does that mean? If you put them in they same situation and they both have the same raw power, Sasuke will always be victorious because he can use the other jutsus i mentioned, while Naruto can't

KG: I don't know what kind of bullshit did i just read in the bold. So sasuke's rinnegan jutsus (that naruto can't perform) are not a part of his strenght? lmao.

-Yup.
-Yup.
-For these two it is considering Sasuke's abilities don't let him perform on Naruto's level. Crying hax hax hax doesn't prove your point. If you even had a point to prove you would be proving it instead of repeating the same nonsense like some broken record. :lol

I said that Sasuke and Naruto are equal because Kishimoto said so. Nothing more needs to be said on the topic so do me a favor and don't put words in my mouth.. Being more complete doesn't make you more powerful. Edo Madara is more complete and well rounded than EMS Madara yet EMS Madara is easily stronger than him due to Kurama. This is literally the same situation as Naruto and Sasuke yet I don't see people sitting here arguing that "lol edo madz equal because lol hax". Where did I say that the Rinnegan jutsu don't play a factor in his strength? :lol. Please don't start getting stupid on me this early into the debate.

Then we have the Manga outright showing that Sasuke had access to all those jutsu BUT ONE and had the raw power to match Naruto. But what happened in the end?

Oh wait. They tied. So much for your premise buddy. :lol A flawed premise at that since Naruto has weaker techniques that would even out the other techniques Sasuke has. So "lol nardo can't use those techs while Sasuke can" isn't an argument when Naruto has his own techniques to counter Sasuke's weaker techniques. Your argument in a nutshell is that Sasuke has the Rinnegan, thus he's equal to Naruto. I shouldn't have to type anymore to tell you how little sense you make here.

 

[Kunihi]

AA is not stronger than Sasuke PS without collecting that huge amount of nature energy. So since now he would have intel so his counter is preventing him from gathering that giant amount of NE.

That doesn't make sense considering AA is comprised of 3 Naruto avatars and one was shown to be equal to Sasuke's PS...

As for the thread, I believe this is the equality statement the OP is refering to:

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Uchiha Sasuke

Unranked

「何よりお前は…ナルトよりウスラトンカチだ」

"Moreso than anything else...you're more of a 'usuratonkachi' than Naruto"

父として 師として――

双眸が見すえるは忍界の未来！！

As a father, and as a mentor――

A pair of eyes that focus on the future of the ninja world!!

血継限界 ”写輪眼” を有するうちは一族の生き残り。少年時代は復讐者として忍の闇を歩んだが、ナルトとの死闘を経て和解を果た す事に。”写輪眼” と”輪廻眼”を有し、現在はナルトと比肩する強者として、忍界の未来を守護する。

The survivor of the Uchiha clan who is endowed with the kekkei-genkai, 'Sharingan'. When he was a boy, he walked in the darkness of shinobi as an avenger. But after he faught Naruto to the death, he achieved reconciliation. Possessing the 'Sharingan' and 'Rinnegan', he's a strong man who currently ranks equal to Naruto, and protects the future of the ninja world.

マントの下はベストを着用。”草薙の剣”を背負う。尚左腕は失ったままのようである。

Beneath his cloak, he wears a vest. He carries the 'Sword of Kusanagi' on his back. In addition, it seems that he is still missing his left arm.

LINK (the Gaiden black info box)

明るい世がため
極秘任務を続ける！！

In order to have a brighter world, he continues on an absolutely secret mission!!

大筒木カグヤの痕跡を辿り、「後に来る者」の 襲来に備えるべく旅する。

Following the vestiges of Otsutsuki Kaguya, he travels in order to prepare for the invasion of 'The people who will come later'.

I don't see where it says Sasuke's strongest is equal to Naruto's strongest. It just says he ranks equal to naruto. If Sasuke is Naruto's equal, I don't think he achieved it by using the known abilities of the rinnegan because naruto has counters to all of them even if used at the same time and through PS.

 

[lndra]

Since canon Naruto won't jump into AA immediately. What if Sasuke uses PP to absorb Naruto's Bijuu chakra from his chakra attacks, and builds enough to where he can create BPS?

 

[DHOH]

Since canon Naruto won't jump into AA immediately. What if Sasuke uses PP to absorb Naruto's Bijuu chakra from his chakra attacks, and builds enough to where he can create BPS?

No... Your suggestion is for Sasuke to get stronger, not at his strongest.

Again, Sasuke use all the bijuu chakra COMBINED making a completely new chakra (juubi = Senjutsu).

Sasuke can possibly absorb RSM Naruto's chakra to make another senjutsu enhanced Susanoo but that would go against my first statement.

 

[lndra]

No... Your suggestion is for Sasuke to get stronger, not at his strongest.

Again, Sasuke use all the bijuu chakra COMBINED making a completely new chakra (juubi = Senjutsu).

Sasuke can possibly absorb RSM Naruto's chakra to make another senjutsu enhanced Susanoo but that would go against my first statement.

But what if it's possible for Sasuke to obtain that power with less? I mean in the Movie Sasuke was capable of creating BPS for his armor when combining it with Full Kurama. So saying that he only has the capability of manifesting BPS with 'all the Bijuu chakra combined' is sort of null now.

So this idea isn't totally impossible.

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What do you guys think?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Refer to my sig

 

[DHOH]

But what if it's possible for Sasuke to obtain that power with less? I mean in the Movie Sasuke was capable of creating BPS for his armor when combining it with Full Kurama. So saying that he only has the capability of manifesting BPS with 'all the Bijuu chakra combined' is sort of null now.

So this idea isn't totally impossible.



What do you guys think?

You still isn't understanding... What happened in the Boruto movie was due to Rikoudo Senjutsu mode Naruto.. The Senjutsu chakra is what allow Susanoo to appear.

 

[DHOH]

Refer to my sig

Kinda of a shame you have little support.. Lol

 

[TheSages456]

Not really sure what kind of nonsense people are proposing, but what Sasuke used in the movie is Majestic Attire Susano'o, same as ever. He can choose how he wants to armor his PS around Kurama.

Biju PS occurs when he uses his PS as the vessel for the chakra of all the Biju.

 

[DHOH]

Please tell me what would be the point of changing the shape of Sasuke's Susanoo if it was completely the same?? And why is Sasuke the only one who has this power lol?

Sasuke's Susanoo change when it's enhanced with enough Rikoudo/Senjutsu chakra.. Shown at vote2 and in the movie..

 

[TheSages456]

Please tell me what would be the point of changing the shape of Sasuke's Susanoo if it was completely the same?? And why is Sasuke the only one who has this power lol?

Sasuke's Susanoo change when it's enhanced with enough Rikoudo/Senjutsu chakra.. Shown at vote2 and in the movie..

He changed the way he armored his PS onto Kurama because that's what he wanted to do. Not really sure how this disproves it being Majestic Attire.

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page 233
Magical garb Susano'o (Iso Susano'o)
Ninjutsu kekke genkai close range supplementary
Users: Uchiha Madara/Uchiha Sasuke
Turbulent God, dressed into the gold impregnable armor (likely some kind of mythological armor)!

This jutsu is 9-tailed fox (kuuybi no yoko), sheathed(armored) in clad "Susano'o" armor. Gallantly using weapons that "Susano'o" carry in its front paws(hands),just like the fangs of the predator...!!It also combines the absolute defense and attack power of the "Susano'o" and 9-tails, this jutsu allows the user perfectly utilize different abilities of both (9-tails and Susano'o).
Picture:defense ,that had been invented by Uchiha Madara s "doujutsu" against Hashirama.

Is Sasuke mixing the chakra of all the Biju while using his PS as the receiving vessel? Nope, so stop claiming that he is using the same Susano'o that he did at VOTE. That sounds absolutely idiotic.

 

[Waltz]

.. Being more complete doesn't make you more powerful. Edo Madara is more complete and well rounded than EMS Madara yet EMS Madara is easily stronger than him due to Kurama. This is literally the same situation as Naruto and Sasuke yet I don't see people sitting here arguing that "lol edo madz equal because lol hax". Where did I say that the Rinnegan jutsu don't play a factor in his strength? :lol. Please don't start getting stupid on me this early into the debate.

Then we have the Manga outright showing that Sasuke had access to all those jutsu BUT ONE and had the raw power to match Naruto. But what happened in the end?

Oh wait. They tied. So much for your premise buddy. :lol A flawed premise at that since Naruto has weaker techniques that would even out the other techniques Sasuke has. So "lol nardo can't use those techs while Sasuke can" isn't an argument when Naruto has his own techniques to counter Sasuke's weaker techniques. Your argument in a nutshell is that Sasuke has the Rinnegan, thus he's equal to Naruto. I shouldn't have to type anymore to tell you how little sense you make here.

Why are you still trying to convince people of this? Edo Madara pushed Edo Hashirama who was near full power to his limits and was just passing time with him until Naruto weakened Obito without even utilizing his full abilities while VoTE Madara had the Kyuubi and still lost. @Red: It obviously does just as pouring more water into a cup makes it more full. Sasuke didn't have access to all that raw power in this sense, he only controlled it externally to his person because Susano'o was the vessel for the Chakra, not Sasuke. If he absorbed it internally then he would have had it to put towards his own Jutsu and Naruto would have been fucked. Since the Chakra was standing alone it means that Indra's arrow was equal to the power of the Bijuu's chakra who Sasuke merged and controlled + his personal chakra that he put into the attack but it was already shown that [

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] The Kyuubi's power > most of the Bijuu's and the Natural energy would makeup to whatever Sasuke would have added to the attack. ​

 

[DHOH]

He changed the way he armored his PS onto Kurama because that's what he wanted to do. Not really sure how this disproves it being Majestic Attire.

Spoiler

page 233
Magical garb Susano'o (Iso Susano'o)
Ninjutsu kekke genkai close range supplementary
Users: Uchiha Madara/Uchiha Sasuke
Turbulent God, dressed into the gold impregnable armor (likely some kind of mythological armor)!

This jutsu is 9-tailed fox (kuuybi no yoko), sheathed(armored) in clad "Susano'o" armor. Gallantly using weapons that "Susano'o" carry in its front paws(hands),just like the fangs of the predator...!!It also combines the absolute defense and attack power of the "Susano'o" and 9-tails, this jutsu allows the user perfectly utilize different abilities of both (9-tails and Susano'o).
Picture:defense ,that had been invented by Uchiha Madara s "doujutsu" against Hashirama.

Is Sasuke mixing the chakra of all the Biju while using his PS as the receiving vessel? Nope, so stop claiming that he is using the same Susano'o that he did at VOTE. That sounds absolutely idiotic.

Posting information from a image of Sasuke first time of covering kyuubi proves nothing..

What's idiotic is you don't comprehend what actually happen when Sasule combine all the bijuu chakra..

 

[TheSages456]

Posting information from a image of Sasuke first time of covering kyuubi proves nothing..

A statement explicitly stating that Majestic Attire Susano'o=Susano'o armoring Kurama, which is exactly what Sasuke did in the movie proves nothing? :lol

What's idiotic is you don't comprehend what actually happen when Sasule combine all the bijuu chakra..

I know what happens when Biju PS is used. A human-like figure made from the chakra of all the Biju appears inside of his PS and it gains wings made of lightning.

Did his PS have any of these properties in the movie? Nope. Your idiotic affection for a fictional character is hilarious though. Keep it up.