Sasuke Can Beat jiraiya And Orochimaru Both

[DevonV]

by the way dont use words you can't spell its hypocritical not hyprotical , besides i doubt you know what it means

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[Chaotic Blades]

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first of all i want proof that totsuka blade doesn't work, and facts are facts. tobi stated itachi COULD have killed him, we DON'T know if hanzo couldve killed the sannin, next the whole bee thing HA go back and look, suigetsu said lets go at him with the intent to kill and no sasuke would not have used ms at the start back then, he didn't wanna rely on it, and once state facts. your hypocritical, you didn't say one fact. and i wanted itachi to lose to sasuke, i wanted to see what would happen if Naruto was defeated, don't assume you know what i wanted. And throwing a fight in 99% of peoples eyes is a loss for the won who got it thrown for them or a draw, to top that off lets see sasuke fight 3 pains, kill them, get ambushed and lose an arm and go back and fight? hmm + how do you know he wouldve used MS from the start unless your kishi which you are not, dont state things you CAN'T prove, . gimme facts or stfu

Nicely said. Although I would refrain from using what characters say as FACTS. If Choji said he was the strongest character is that consider a fact? Anyways I know Itachi could have killed him. But once again it's a could. And I doubt that the Sannin would have had success against Hanzo but then again I'm not Kishi. Again you're assuming things as well. I'm leading off what is given. There's a huge difference. The sannin fail to win battles. Sasuke wins whether you consider them fair or not. So your excuses don't change the situation. And we aren't talking about Sasuke vs Pain. Stay in line with the topic. But nice reply. Definitely some valid points made.

Hey Dumb ass the Totsuka blade works on any one. Its not Strictly a Uchiha weapon. Itachi found the sword meaning it would work on any one.:flaw:

It must not work on Uchiha since it failed to suck up Sasuke. I didn't realize Itachi could choose when to stop the seal. How you gonna to absorb a Giant snake, Orochimaru, and the Curse mark seal that is literally attached to his shoulder and not be absorbed too. So what I said may or may not be true but that's how I led up to that conclusion

 

[brockleetastesgood]

if your gonna hate on sasuke at least have the knowledge to make a logical point please...
all i see is sasuke gets pwned...
i dont see this happening at all...
A healthy orochimaru was beat by itachi... quickly
sure he survived naruto's four tails biju bomb but naruto wasn't even close to how strong he was at sage mode...
Jiraya lost to pain... someone said it themselves if he had known, if he had gathered the knowledge befor he got killed he might have won but in fights its win or lose...

Sasuke would have a tough time but he would do it...

EMS is of course enough to beat the sannins, They are not GODs ... they are beatable

 

[The Golden Flash]

nope 1 sanin is enough to pawn sasuke

 

[Itachi2304]

I am not sure if sasuke can kill them both at the same time but i am 100% sure itachi can. Sasuke with EMS of course lol. I can see sasuke somehow winning against orochimaru and jiraya at the same time... highly unlikely but plausible. regardless 1v1 both orochimaru and jiraya would lose to sasuke. thats for sure.

 

[Itachi2304]

Tobi didnt say itachi could have killed me. He said and i quote"even itachi doesnt know everything about me. If he knew a little more about me i would be dead now" meaning he said he is 100% sure he would have died if itachi knew a little more.... and when a character says to himself that he should be dead now the character is 100% truthful.

Nicely said. Although I would refrain from using what characters say as FACTS. If Choji said he was the strongest character is that consider a fact? Anyways I know Itachi could have killed him. But once again it's a could. And I doubt that the Sannin would have had success against Hanzo but then again I'm not Kishi. Again you're assuming things as well. I'm leading off what is given. There's a huge difference. The sannin fail to win battles. Sasuke wins whether you consider them fair or not. So your excuses don't change the situation. And we aren't talking about Sasuke vs Pain. Stay in line with the topic. But nice reply. Definitely some valid points made.



It must not work on Uchiha since it failed to suck up Sasuke. I didn't realize Itachi could choose when to stop the seal. How you gonna to absorb a Giant snake, Orochimaru, and the Curse mark seal that is literally attached to his shoulder and not be absorbed too. So what I said may or may not be true but that's how I led up to that conclusion

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Deidara, Oro, Itachi, Naruto, Danzo, and Bee aren't high ranking ninjas? Bee is the only one throw out since he had Taka help

Deidara, Oro, Itachi, Naruto, Danzo, and Bee aren't high ranking ninjas? Bee is the only one throw out since he had Taka help

Sasuke didn't beat Bee.If he did, Bee would have been capture.Not to mention, he said sasuke never beat anyone on his own.Sasuke fought Bee with taka by his side and without Taka, Sasuke would have die three times.The first when suigetsu jump in to save sasuke from an attack.The second when Karin heal sasuke after Bee demolish him.And the third when Bee blast his chest open and Jugo heal him.

Orochimaru was sick and bedridden.People seem to forget that or are trying to degrade the fact that Orochimaru didn't use any of his jutsu or battle tactics.Go back and look at the fight Orochimaru has fought, mainly Orochimaru versus Tsunade and Jiraiya and then compare that to what happen with Sasuke and Orochimaru.Sasuke simple took on a dying man, and he still didn't killed orochimaru since orochimaru was within sasuke and if it wasn't for Itachi sealing Orochimaru away, Orochimaru would have sasuke body right now.


Itachi- Now I know you are being dumb.Everyone on the base knows Itachi let Sasuke win.

Naruto- Really.What naruto did sasuke fight, Sage Mode Naruto, Kyubi Mode Naruto, or just returning to the village maybe Chunin level naruto.The answer is none of the above, he fought naruto when they were both genin with the aide of the curse seal.You have to be reaching to even bring that up when we are talking about high level shinobi fights.

Diedara- I'll give you that, even though without orochimaru power sasuke would have died.

Danzo - His only clear victory, even though Karin was helping making it technically not one on one.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Totsuka blade doesn't work on an pure blooded uchiha dumbass. and i realized itachi let him win it doesnt take away from the fact that he won. something the sannin rarely have done in the series. and you realize that they were confused on how to approach Bee as they knew he had to remain alive? Otherwise he would have used MS from the beginning. and ya Sasuke is so dumb he was just gonna let himself be sealed. Even if he didn't know what it was he was just gonna sit there.

O if you can't read don't let me be the reason why you wanna throw books.

That quote is literally one of the most insane things I have ever heard on this forum. It rivals the time that someone said anyone can use FTG as long as they have Minato's kunai.


If Itachi let him win, and Itachi would have won, then logically you can't say Sasuke won.

Ok now that I have that out of the way I think many people on this thread are being unfair to both Sasuke and Jiraiya & Oro. I have been seeing alot of false hype on both sides. (By the way even though Sasuke is my least favorite character in shippuden I will defend him somewhat because a logical person look at both sides.)

Let's start off with a list of their abilities.
Sasuke
Above average chakra levels.
Extremely fast
Lightning and fire elements
chidori (and it's variations)
kirin
Hawk summons (not seen in battle yet)
3 tomoe sharingan (copies movements, copies jutsus, tracks & predicts movements, can see chakra, can see through some genjutsu, and can cast some genjutsu)
MS- Susanoo (no legendary weapons), Tsukuyomi (not as strong as Itachi's), and Amaterasu (can manipulate the flames to surround him)
EMS - doesn't go blind, one extra ability?

Jiraiya
Huge chakra levels (the most out of the people in this battle)
Very fast & very strong
rasengan (and some variations)
fire and earth elements
toad related jutsus (toad gourd prison, collaboration jutsus , etc.)
toad summons ( Gamabunta, -ken, -hiro, -kichi, -tetsu, and Fukasaku and Shima)
barrier jutsus
fuinjutsu
Sage mode (vastly increased strength and speed, increased power in ninjutsu, increased chakra, and for Jiraiya two toads on your shoulder fused with you)

Orochimaru-
Large chakra levels
very fast and strong
wind element (strong against lightning, weak against fire)
Kusanagi sword (sharpest sword)
ability to regenerate wounds (not sure to what extent)
ability to take over bodies (body stealing technique, usable every 3 years)
8 headed serpent
snake summons (Manda and others)
Impure world resurrection (not quite as awesome as Kabuto's because Oro controls them)
some fuinjutsu


Now here is what I think would happen. Because Sasuke is on an MS kick (ever since he received it he has only used that) he would likely start off with that and try to use his most powerful moves in the beginning.

If he uses Amaterasu, Oro can cut off whatever body part is burning and regenerate. Unfortunately Jiraiya has no defense if he gets hit, I find it highly unlikely that he would be able to seal Amaterasu while it was burning him, his only viable option if he gets hit would be to cut off his arm like the raikage did (if it is his arm, it still hold true for any body part). However Jiraiya in sage mode is so much faster than Sasuke that I don't think it would be easy for Sasuke to hit him, and if Sasuke tried more than a few times and misses then he would drain his chakra alot.

As for Tsukuyomi, Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is breakable because it isn't instant like Itachi's, thus Jiraiya would be all but immune to it if he were in sage mode. Oro on the other hand would likely be trapped in it but that is why he would have Jiraiya there to break him out of it. I don't see Sasuke's genjutsu playing a big role in this battle at all.

Susanoo, here is where the Sannin males would have a harder time, if only because they would have a hard time breaking through Susanoo. The susanoo arrows wouldn't be fast enough to hit a sage mode Jiraiya and Oro can regenerate so that is also a plus for them. The only thing I can see happening is a collaboration attack with Jiraiya and Oro plus their summons attacking Susanoo to break it.

Sasuke's other abilities, taijutsu, chidori, sword fighting, and fire jutsus would be next to useless against the Sannin.
They wouldn't work on Jiraiya because; Jiraiya has more chakra than Sasuke and nature chakra to overpower his fire with Jiraiya's fire, Sasuke is nowhere near Sage mode speed so chidori wouldn't work unless Jiraiya rushed in a straight line, Jiraiya's speed against Sasuke's sword and taijutsu.
As for Oro; swordfighting wouldn't work because Oro has Kusanagi (sharpest sword), fire jutsus wouldn't work because Oro can regenerate (see chunin exams forest where Oro gets burned and just laughs it off), taijutsu and chidori wouldn't work because Oro can regenerate and stretches (and he survived a full beating from Tsunade who apparently can kill with one punch)


As for the summons, Manda and Oro's snakes in addition to the toads would be more than enough to handle any summon Sasuke might try (hell even just one Sannin summon would work)

The only chance I see Sasuke having is if he gets lucky and catches Jiraiya in Amaterasu and catches Oro in Tsukuyomi. But he would have to do that very quickly in the battle and nearly back to back as the other Sannin would use the opening left by Sasuke's attack.

 

[Minato namikaze2]

sasuke always gets pawned

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Tobi didnt say itachi could have killed me. He said and i quote"even itachi doesnt know everything about me. If he knew a little more about me i would be dead now" meaning he said he is 100% sure he would have died if itachi knew a little more.... and when a character says to himself that he should be dead now the character is 100% truthful.

Tobi is truthful to a certain degree. He didn't mention to Sasuke about him having the nine tails go on a rampage to the Leaf. He is not a honest character at all.

Sasuke didn't beat Bee.If he did, Bee would have been capture.Not to mention, he said sasuke never beat anyone on his own.Sasuke fought Bee with taka by his side and without Taka, Sasuke would have die three times.The first when suigetsu jump in to save sasuke from an attack.The second when Karin heal sasuke after Bee demolish him.And the third when Bee blast his chest open and Jugo heal him.

Orochimaru was sick and bedridden.People seem to forget that or are trying to degrade the fact that Orochimaru didn't use any of his jutsu or battle tactics.Go back and look at the fight Orochimaru has fought, mainly Orochimaru versus Tsunade and Jiraiya and then compare that to what happen with Sasuke and Orochimaru.Sasuke simple took on a dying man, and he still didn't killed orochimaru since orochimaru was within sasuke and if it wasn't for Itachi sealing Orochimaru away, Orochimaru would have sasuke body right now.


Itachi- Now I know you are being dumb.Everyone on the base knows Itachi let Sasuke win.

Naruto- Really.What naruto did sasuke fight, Sage Mode Naruto, Kyubi Mode Naruto, or just returning to the village maybe Chunin level naruto.The answer is none of the above, he fought naruto when they were both genin with the aide of the curse seal.You have to be reaching to even bring that up when we are talking about high level shinobi fights.

Diedara- I'll give you that, even though without orochimaru power sasuke would have died.

Danzo - His only clear victory, even though Karin was helping making it technically not one on one.

That was alot of excusing making on how someone wins their battles. Too much exaggeration on any other people making him win yet Oro and J-man have beat how many high ranked shinobis during the series?

That quote is literally one of the most insane things I have ever heard on this forum. It rivals the time that someone said anyone can use FTG as long as they have Minato's kunai.


If Itachi let him win, and Itachi would have won, then logically you can't say Sasuke won.

Ok now that I have that out of the way I think many people on this thread are being unfair to both Sasuke and Jiraiya & Oro. I have been seeing alot of false hype on both sides. (By the way even though Sasuke is my least favorite character in shippuden I will defend him somewhat because a logical person look at both sides.)

Let's start off with a list of their abilities.
Sasuke
Above average chakra levels.
Extremely fast
Lightning and fire elements
chidori (and it's variations)
kirin
Hawk summons (not seen in battle yet)
3 tomoe sharingan (copies movements, copies jutsus, tracks & predicts movements, can see chakra, can see through some genjutsu, and can cast some genjutsu)
MS- Susanoo (no legendary weapons), Tsukuyomi (not as strong as Itachi's), and Amaterasu (can manipulate the flames to surround him)
EMS - doesn't go blind, one extra ability?

Jiraiya
Huge chakra levels (the most out of the people in this battle)
Very fast & very strong
rasengan (and some variations)
fire and earth elements
toad related jutsus (toad gourd prison, collaboration jutsus , etc.)
toad summons ( Gamabunta, -ken, -hiro, -kichi, -tetsu, and Fukasaku and Shima)
barrier jutsus
fuinjutsu
Sage mode (vastly increased strength and speed, increased power in ninjutsu, increased chakra, and for Jiraiya two toads on your shoulder fused with you)

Orochimaru-
Large chakra levels
very fast and strong
wind element (strong against lightning, weak against fire)
Kusanagi sword (sharpest sword)
ability to regenerate wounds (not sure to what extent)
ability to take over bodies (body stealing technique, usable every 3 years)
8 headed serpent
snake summons (Manda and others)
Impure world resurrection (not quite as awesome as Kabuto's because Oro controls them)
some fuinjutsu


Now here is what I think would happen. Because Sasuke is on an MS kick (ever since he received it he has only used that) he would likely start off with that and try to use his most powerful moves in the beginning.

If he uses Amaterasu, Oro can cut off whatever body part is burning and regenerate. Unfortunately Jiraiya has no defense if he gets hit, I find it highly unlikely that he would be able to seal Amaterasu while it was burning him, his only viable option if he gets hit would be to cut off his arm like the raikage did (if it is his arm, it still hold true for any body part). However Jiraiya in sage mode is so much faster than Sasuke that I don't think it would be easy for Sasuke to hit him, and if Sasuke tried more than a few times and misses then he would drain his chakra alot.

As for Tsukuyomi, Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is breakable because it isn't instant like Itachi's, thus Jiraiya would be all but immune to it if he were in sage mode. Oro on the other hand would likely be trapped in it but that is why he would have Jiraiya there to break him out of it. I don't see Sasuke's genjutsu playing a big role in this battle at all.

Susanoo, here is where the Sannin males would have a harder time, if only because they would have a hard time breaking through Susanoo. The susanoo arrows wouldn't be fast enough to hit a sage mode Jiraiya and Oro can regenerate so that is also a plus for them. The only thing I can see happening is a collaboration attack with Jiraiya and Oro plus their summons attacking Susanoo to break it.

Sasuke's other abilities, taijutsu, chidori, sword fighting, and fire jutsus would be next to useless against the Sannin.
They wouldn't work on Jiraiya because; Jiraiya has more chakra than Sasuke and nature chakra to overpower his fire with Jiraiya's fire, Sasuke is nowhere near Sage mode speed so chidori wouldn't work unless Jiraiya rushed in a straight line, Jiraiya's speed against Sasuke's sword and taijutsu.
As for Oro; swordfighting wouldn't work because Oro has Kusanagi (sharpest sword), fire jutsus wouldn't work because Oro can regenerate (see chunin exams forest where Oro gets burned and just laughs it off), taijutsu and chidori wouldn't work because Oro can regenerate and stretches (and he survived a full beating from Tsunade who apparently can kill with one punch)


As for the summons, Manda and Oro's snakes in addition to the toads would be more than enough to handle any summon Sasuke might try (hell even just one Sannin summon would work)

The only chance I see Sasuke having is if he gets lucky and catches Jiraiya in Amaterasu and catches Oro in Tsukuyomi. But he would have to do that very quickly in the battle and nearly back to back as the other Sannin would use the opening left by Sasuke's attack.

Everything in bold was a good judgment. NB must be the only place where a win doesn't count as win. It's life or death situation and you're really going to say he doesn't win cause of certain circumstances. Seriously I wish I go fight someone right now, lose and then say I loss cause of something like, i was sick or they jumped me or i let them win. You think any one is gonna make the case that some how they didn't really win? I'm gone, no logical thinking being made just alot of bias posts.

 

[datninjaitachi]

Tobi is truthful to a certain degree. He didn't mention to Sasuke about him having the nine tails go on a rampage to the Leaf. He is not a honest character at all.



That was alot of excusing making on how someone wins their battles. Too much exaggeration on any other people making him win yet Oro and J-man have beat how many high ranked shinobis during the series?



Everything in bold was a good judgment. NB must be the only place where a win doesn't count as win. It's life or death situation and you're really going to say he doesn't win cause of certain circumstances. Seriously I wish I go fight someone right now, lose and then say I loss cause of something like, i was sick or they jumped me or i let them win. You think any one is gonna make the case that some how they didn't really win? I'm gone, no logical thinking being made just alot of bias posts.

i guess everyone just ignored my last post so illl just comment on this..uhmm have you ever been in a fight?

 

[mintlete]

sasuke wil lose to jiraiya First jiraiya has sealing jutsus we dont even know about plus in his fight with pain he sort of held back since he was fighting his student even during the fights he wanted to convince nagato to stop the madness plus hes sharp "halfway through the battle he noticed the peins eyes were connected " stop being a sore loser SASUKE WOULD LOSE

 

[LEAU92]

Sasuke right now
yes.

Sasuke when he fought orochimaru
hell no, in fact he would probably get raped so bad, it wouldn't even be funny.


Facts

Sasuke fought a weak, sickly orochimaru who also was attacked from sasuke while he was still in bed lol (who does that ? what kind of coward does that ? LOL).

If Sasuke were to fight Jiraiya (who at the time was probably still at his prime), he would certainly be outclassed by jiraiya, his genjutsu won't work because jiraiya had good genjutsu defense, and in terms of ninjutsu, oh well don't go there lol Jiraiya is a sage, that's a title you don't want to mess with lol

 

[Sazzi]

sasuke cant beat anyone.... he is the weakest strong ninja in the series... all he can do is get angry and then get his ass kicked or die (since both have happened)... and here's the great part... got his ass handed to him by his own sick to the point of dying brother... and died by an old man with back spasms... rofl... healthy oro and jairaya can take sasuke two on one no problem... one on one fights i pretty sure a healthy oro can take sasuke... but jairaya might have to work a lil harder... it would be close though as if raikage can power through susanoo i think a sage can too, the only difference is jairaya isnt stupid enough to touch amaterasu

 

[Sazzi]

also... someone said sasuke had tsukoyomi (sp i know)... i ve never seen him use it... he has a brief moment genjutsu that he has had since way before him getting the ms... although he does use a brief moment jutsu against the lightning jonin to put him to sleep but i would hardly call that tsukoyomi... but he was holding his eye like itachi does afterward

 

[cannondale]

Why do they have to change their face expressions like that, so weird

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[Kakashi the hokage]

Yea now that sauke has ems he would beat either of them one on one but together sasuke wouldn't stand a chance

 

[itachi the great]

Sasuke has killed oruchimaru once so he can kill him another time.

 

[TheSageOfThe6Paths]

ridiculous...just ridiculous do u really believe that ? sasuke is still inexperienced oro+jiraya are like super experienced with the war and all even one on one they have both seen many jutsus and strange ones so i bet they can figure out a way to beat him just saying my opinion....

 

[TheSageOfThe6Paths]

Sasuke has killed oruchimaru once so he can kill him another time.

he killed oro when he was almost unable to move :S :S :S